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  • Bulletproof coffee =/= IF?

    I did a cursory search on this subject and didn't come up with anything quite like what I was looking for. Anyhow, I've been doing IF consistently for about 18 mos (typically Leangains-style 16/8 though occasionally it'll push more towards Fast 5)). I've recently discovered the wonderment that is Bulletproof coffee and I am curious your folks opinions, especially the IF'ers out there, as to whether imbibing in such constitutes a breach of protocol relative to IF. The way I mix mine we're talking about 150-175 cals give or take. All opinions welcome. Thanks!!

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    Are you asking if drinking hundreds of empty, nutritionless calories each morning will break your fast?
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    • #3
      Read pklopp's perspective on IF. Mark also says he skips breakfast by having a coffee with heavy cream. I just have my coffee black. More importantly, I'm not too worried about breaking IF, even if I have a small sip of wine, during communion at daily mass.
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      • #4
        If you're dead set on maintaining your fast, I'd take out the guess work and drink it black . It's much better that way

        Martin has talked about adding creamer without issue. But, I don't think he was adding 150 calories to his coffee (Nor is Mark with his cream and sugar).
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Fernaldo View Post
          If you're dead set on maintaining your fast, I'd take out the guess work and drink it black . It's much better that way

          Martin has talked about adding creamer without issue. But, I don't think he was adding 150 calories to his coffee (Nor is Mark with his cream and sugar).
          No, he allows up to a tablespoon. More like 30-40 calories. Not hundreds of empty calories. With that amount of calories, you can eat 2 extra large eggs and actually get some nutrition out of it. It stands to reason that 2 extra large eggs would break a fast, no? Certainly 1/4 stick of butter in your coffee will!
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          • #6
            choco they just dont get it .. just like the whole cream people wanting to drink this during IF .. IF is fasting .. = WATER people .. not butter, not coconut oil, not cream, WATER
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            • #7
              Thanks for all the reply's folks. Interesting to hear everyone's differing views.

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              • #8
                I also say that fasting is fasting. Once you consume calories of any kind, the fast is over. Water, black coffee or straight tea are all fine. Anything else is NOT fasting, PERIOD!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gotsouthern View Post
                  Thanks for all the reply's folks. Interesting to hear everyone's differing views.
                  It's not a view. The definition of fasting is not taking in anything. Technically, even taking in water means you're not "truly" fasting, but in this case we're speaking of calorie fasting so water, black coffee and black tea is okay.

                  If you want a view, have my take on "bulletproof coffee", which has to be one of the worst ideas I've ever seen on MDA. The idea of putting butter in coffee is ridiculous to begin with because you're taking in hundreds of calories without a significant shred of nutrition. If you do it because you truly like the taste, that makes sense, but it's going to greatly slow fat loss if that is your goal. If the only reason why people were doing bulletproof coffee on this site was because they truly loved the taste, I'd be okay with it, but they're doing it to lose weight. They're taking in hundreds of empty calories...on top of what they're normally eating...to lose weight. What? Or the even worse idea - replacing ACTUAL FOOD calories with butter. Isn't the whole idea of the Primal Blueprint to attain optimal health through proper nutrition, and now we're replacing real, whole foods with butter - which is by definition a processed food and empty calories? *Bangs head against desk* If you're going to put tablespoons of butter in your coffee, you may as well put a cup of sugar in your coffee. There is very little difference.
                  Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 04-30-2012, 04:43 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lssanjose View Post
                    Read pklopp's perspective on IF. Mark also says he skips breakfast by having a coffee with heavy cream. I just have my coffee black. More importantly, I'm not too worried about breaking IF, even if I have a small sip of wine, during communion at daily mass.
                    You mean starting here? http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread27894.html. My perspective is that eating high fat is healthy. No if ands or buts. Churned cream (AKA butter) is a great source of CLA's and other healthy fats. Its all the goodness of healthy fat condensed. I'm sure that there is some caloric load that would reduce the therapeutic effects of the fast. Does it take 1/2/3 tablespoons to take count? Dunno, but I doubt 100 calories does it. 500 calories probably so.

                    BTW I prefer heavy cream in my coffee, but I would consider butter simply because its much easier to find Kerrygold than it is to find grass fed organic cream for me. Oh, and all this http://www.marksdailyapple.com/grass...#axzz1tZU9o4PI. Just looked there and relized I forgot to mention the K2 and usable Vit. A. Empty calories my arse.
                    Last edited by Neckhammer; 04-30-2012, 05:28 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Sugar is not the same as butter at all.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                        Sugar is not the same as butter at all.
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                        • #13
                          The Bulletproof Executive Read up on it.

                          The point of Bulletproof Coffee in IF, while technically breaching the traditional fasting definition, is to activate certain fat burning processes within the body. Caffeine in high quality coffee assists in burning fat, as do the medium chain triglycerides from coconut milk, oil, or pure MCT oil. Not to mention the boost it gives you.

                          I can't speak for the biochemical reactions (yet, wait til I'm done with my major :P), so I'm not quite sure if the utilization of fat reserves during water fasting is actually increasing, the same, or less because of the calories. But the perspective held by the bulletproofexec is that it increases fat oxidation and utilization for energy.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                            Sugar is not the same as butter at all.
                            Butter: A processed food intended for baby cows, not grown humans, that is empty calories with little to no nutritional value.

                            Sugar: A processed food that is empty calories with little to no nutritional value.

                            Butter obviously isn't sugar, but it's clearly LIKE sugar - it's a cooking tool used in the kitchen that shouldn't add any significant calories to your diet. Butter and sugar should be treated like salt and pepper - you put a dash on to wet a cast iron pan, impart a bit of flavor or make something more palatable. You don't eat salt and pepper by the tablespoon, and you shouldn't be eating butter and sugar by the tablespoon with any regularity. It's not real food.

                            How am I wrong? I could make a very logical argument that something like honey and maple syrup more closely resemble human foods than butter. Honey and maple syrup is something human beings could have eaten for hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years. Cow's milk was never intended by nature to be consumed by humans. I love butter as much as the next guy - I have four 8oz blocks of Kerrygold in my fridge - but it's ridiculous to ignore this fact. Honey and maple syrup is closer to human food than butter.
                            Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 04-30-2012, 09:18 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bdilla View Post
                              The Bulletproof Executive Read up on it.

                              The point of Bulletproof Coffee in IF, while technically breaching the traditional fasting definition, is to activate certain fat burning processes within the body. Caffeine in high quality coffee assists in burning fat, as do the medium chain triglycerides from coconut milk, oil, or pure MCT oil. Not to mention the boost it gives you.

                              I can't speak for the biochemical reactions (yet, wait til I'm done with my major :P), so I'm not quite sure if the utilization of fat reserves during water fasting is actually increasing, the same, or less because of the calories. But the perspective held by the bulletproofexec is that it increases fat oxidation and utilization for energy.
                              It's a very painful read. I've forced myself to read it several times. When the average person on this website starts climbing mountains, putting 3/4 of a stick of butter in your morning coffee makes a lot of sense. Eating a stick of butter and sitting on your ass at your desk all day - not a good idea. But keep the "Why aren't I losing weight?" threads coming, MDA Forums. Oy...
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