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    Since discovering coconut oil + cocoa powder, I find it laughably easy to eat 3 TBP++ a day! However, CO is rather expensive and not exactly calorie-free, so I should probably scale back...what do you think is the optimum daily amount?

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    There is a man who has written multiple books about the health benefits of coconut oil. He recommends a maintenance dose of 3 Tablespoons per day.

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    • #3
      I think anything over 3 tbsp per day is edging on too much, unless you are purposely doing a coconut oil flush... I wouldn't worry about the calories from coconut oil, as it is burned quite efficiently as energy. If you are feeling ok with how much you are eating now, then the only thing you need to worry about is the $ issue. I get a jar of Dr. Bronner's coconut oil for around $9-10 and that's the best quality I've come across so far... how much are you paying for yours?
      I never know what to put in these things. I write songs!

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      • #4
        Also, forgot to say that too much will give you the runs. If you are taking more than 2-3 T per day you need to work your way up to it slowly. I use Nutiva EVO 29 fl oz is about $18.00. It seems to be the most popular brand.

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        • #5
          I have a question about coconut oil. Living in South Africa, we don't have heating in our homes during winter unless we're super-affluent. My coconut oil solidifies in winter and I have to put the bottle in hot water to make it liquid every time I use it. Will this heating and cooling affect the nutritional value of it? Or cause it to go rancid?

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          • #6
            3 tablespoons a day is fine though yeah it is expensive.

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            • #7
              I think the optimum amount is zero. It is not a necessary food. There is no need to "supplement" with it. But if you need cooking oil it works well.

              Living in Santa Barbara we don't have heating either, or rather we do but we all pretend it's warm here and never turn it on. The whole year there's probably only one or two days it's ever liquid. I just dig it out with a butter knife or a spoon. Once I left the jar on the stove and the use of the stove heated it enough to make it liquid but I found it harder to deal with when liquid.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                I think the optimum amount is zero. It is not a necessary food. There is no need to "supplement" with it. But if you need cooking oil it works well.
                This.

                Coconut oil isn't a whole food. It's a mechanically extracted oil. It's mostly empty, nutritionless calories. Treat it like salt, pepper or honey - it's a cooking tool or a flavoring agent, not a food to be eaten as significant calories. 3 tablespoons of coconut oil amounts to 360 calories. Why not eat 5 eggs for the same caloric intake? You will get two orders of magnitude more nutrition instead of empty fat. Or why not just eat real coconut? That's a step in the right direction. You probably wouldn't take a spoon to a jar of honey, right? So why do it to processed extracted fat? All it's going to do is slow your fat loss since your body now has to burn through 360 more calories before it taps into stored fat, and you're doing it all for next to zero nutrition.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                  This.

                  Coconut oil isn't a whole food. It's a mechanically extracted oil. It's mostly empty, nutritionless calories. Treat it like salt, pepper or honey - it's a cooking tool or a flavoring agent, not a food to be eaten as significant calories. 3 tablespoons of coconut oil amounts to 360 calories. Why not eat 5 eggs for the same caloric intake? You will get two orders of magnitude more nutrition instead of empty fat. Or why not just eat real coconut? That's a step in the right direction. You probably wouldn't take a spoon to a jar of honey, right? So why do it to processed extracted fat? All it's going to do is slow your fat loss since your body now has to burn through 360 more calories before it taps into stored fat, and you're doing it all for next to zero nutrition.
                  It's as if people now believe healthy fat should be consumed by itself in mass quantity. Enjoy it as part of the meal, not as the meal!!!

                  Do you think Mark sits there eating coconut oil out of a jar?

                  Instead of just mixing it with cacao powder, save the oil for cooking and have a couple squares of good dark chocolate...
                  "The problem with quoting someone on the Internet is, you never know if it's legit" - Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Fernaldo View Post
                    It's as if people now believe healthy fat should be consumed by itself in mass quantity. Enjoy it as part of the meal, not as the meal!!!

                    Do you think Mark sits there eating coconut oil out of a jar?

                    Instead of just mixing it with cacao powder, save the oil for cooking and have a couple squares of good dark chocolate...
                    Exactly! So well-said and quoted for truth.

                    Primal is at heart a whole-foods diet. We want to eat real, natural foods. Coconut oil, butter, olive oil - there is nothing unhealthy about them in the sense that they are healthy fats, but they are not healthy meals. Yes, butter has vitamin A and K in significant quantities. Yes, coconut oil is nature's best source of MCT's and lauric acid. Yes, olive oil is rich in polyphenols. But they're not FOODS. Nutritionally speaking, whole wheat flour will destroy butter, olive oil and coconut oil per calorie. Consuming oil as food is doing nothing but stalling - or even reversing - your fat loss goals, and butting half a stick of butter in your coffee is like taking a tablespoon to a jar of honey and eating.

                    Frying eggs in a teaspoon or two of butter? Great idea. Slicing a sliver of Kerrygold butter off because it's that damn good? I understand. I've done it a couple times! Eating 3 tablespoons of coconut oil a day and putting half a stick of butter in your morning coffee? Terrible idea.
                    Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 06-12-2012, 08:38 AM.
                    Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                      Exactly! So well-said and quoted for truth.

                      Primal is at heart a whole-foods diet. We want to eat real, natural foods. Coconut oil, butter, olive oil - there is nothing unhealthy about them in the sense that they are healthy fats, but they are not healthy meals. Yes, butter has vitamin A and K in significant quantities. Yes, coconut oil is nature's best source of MCT's and lauric acid. Yes, olive oil is rich in polyphenols. But they're not FOODS. Nutritionally speaking, whole wheat flour will destroy butter, olive oil and coconut oil per calorie. Consuming oil as food is doing nothing but stalling - or even reversing - your fat loss goals, and butting half a stick of butter in your coffee is like taking a tablespoon to a jar of honey and eating.

                      Frying eggs in a teaspoon or two of butter? Great idea. Slicing a sliver of Kerrygold butter off because it's that damn good? I understand. I've done it a couple times! Eating 3 tablespoons of coconut oil a day and putting half a stick of butter in your morning coffee? Terrible idea.
                      I agree and I don't consume any oil, but I don't get the correlation to raw honey? Yes, it's better to eat an avocado, an olive, or a whole coconut then their respective oils because the oil is just empty fat calories stripped of most of the micronutrients in the original whole food. But raw honey is the whole food. Yes, it's sugar with no fiber, but that's the way this whole food is made in nature. It can't be put in the same category as oils or even fresh fruit juice (that has been stripped of fiber). However carbs and fructose fit into your diet is up to you, but with raw honey you're getting tons of micronutrients along with your calories...not like oil.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                        This.

                        Coconut oil isn't a whole food. It's a mechanically extracted oil. It's mostly empty, nutritionless calories. Treat it like salt, pepper or honey - it's a cooking tool or a flavoring agent, not a food to be eaten as significant calories. 3 tablespoons of coconut oil amounts to 360 calories. Why not eat 5 eggs for the same caloric intake? You will get two orders of magnitude more nutrition instead of empty fat. Or why not just eat real coconut? That's a step in the right direction. You probably wouldn't take a spoon to a jar of honey, right? So why do it to processed extracted fat? All it's going to do is slow your fat loss since your body now has to burn through 360 more calories before it taps into stored fat, and you're doing it all for next to zero nutrition.
                        So now we are back to calories in, calories out, bull shit? Why drag us down like That? Just because you do well on a high carb diet, doesn't mean you should constantly preach against the basic Paleo weight loss diet. You are doing much more harm than good.
                        As far as CO is concerned, MCT are to an insulin resistant person as a potato is to you, immediate energy. (CO is 60% MCT. )To a leptin resistant person, any high carb food will trigger hunger and cravings for the rest of the day, or longer.
                        Last edited by Greg Rx; 09-25-2013, 04:51 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Greg Rx View Post
                          So now we are back to calories in, calories out, bull shit? Why drag us down like That? Just because you do well on a high carb diet, doesn't mean you should constantly preach against the basic Paleo weight loss diet. You are doing much more harm than good.
                          As far as CO is concerned, MCT are to an insulin resistant person as a potato is to you, immediate energy. To a leptin resistant person, any high carb food will trigger hunger and cravings for the rest of the day, or longer.
                          You can eat still eat high fat, but eat it in it's natural form so you get all the micronutrients along with it. Why eat mostly empty calories? It's like someone who believes they thrive on high carb diet so they supplement with sugar or dextrose or white rice. They believe the rice has valuable glucose that can be used for energy like someone believes coconut oil has valuable MCTs. Eat the whole sweet potato or the whole avocado,etc.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by healthyeater View Post
                            You can eat still eat high fat, but eat it in it's natural form so you get all the micronutrients along with it. Why eat mostly empty calories? It's like someone who believes they thrive on high carb diet so they supplement with sugar or dextrose or white rice. They believe the rice has valuable glucose that can be used for energy like someone believes coconut oil has valuable MCTs. Eat the whole sweet potato or the whole avocado,etc.
                            Normally I'd agree, but for an insulin resistant individual, coconut oil is more efficient than other fats as an energy source because of it's high MCT content. MCTs can drastically ease and aid in the production of rapidly utilizable energy for people who need to be (at least temporarily) restricting carbs. So these people are going to be needing lots of coconut or MCT oil to keep their energy up.
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                            • #15
                              Hello, there is no optimal amount because you don't need it.
                              However, who are we to say that you can't have it the way you want ? Enjoy it ... while knowing at the same time that it is not needed at all and you really do this for the pleasure you derive from it.

                              Damn! it gets very religious around here ...

                              PS: if it were me, I would first feed myself with nutritious foods. Then, when done with the meal, I would see if I feel like having this treat ...

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