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  • #31
    I'd rather eat real food than stuff my face with pills and coffee all day. Also, I'd rather spend the $200-300 on quality food than supplements.
    Last edited by Paleo0731; 08-05-2013, 09:43 PM.

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    • #32
      My experiments with BulletProof Coffee is that it makes me gain weight. The rapid fat loss protocol didn't produce any weight loss and I got insanely hungry. Reducing fat intake and carb cycling has worked a lot better for me.
      Apathy is tyranny's greatest ally.

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      • #33
        I'm a big fan of BPC, but only drink it 3 or 4 days a week, in place of breaky. And always on my Crossfit days, which happens at 11am. Other than that, I (now)try to avoid reading whatever Dave Asprey's latest pitch is. You have to remember that this is a guy who spent a quarter million dollars on his own n=1. He's on his own planet. And he says not to eat black pepper. Insane.

        I am a big fan of the Upgraded Collagen powder, and add it to my morning coffee every day. I have his whey protein, but bought it months ago and haven't tried it. The rest of his stuff is pretty unnecessary. You can also source your own wet processed beans. Any decent local roastery will be able to advise you on what to buy. But honestly, you can technically use whatever coffee you like.
        “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” Rumi

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Paleo0731 View Post
          I'd rather eat real food than stuff my face with pills and coffee all day. Also, I'd rather spend the $200-300 on quality food than supplements.
          Agreed, 100%.

          I read through the protocol, and at its core, it sounds like basic carb cycling.

          In my honest opinion, I wouldn't worry about following something very specific like this. As quoted above, instead of spending money on supplements, put it towards buying high quality food. The more details and complexities a nutrition/fitness plan contains, the harder it is to remain consistent with that plan.

          All it really comes down to is eating high quality, whole foods, strength training, walking all over the place, and sleeping like a bear.

          Sure, you could experiment with carb cycling, and it would most likely yield more results, but in my experience, focusing on the basics will get you 90% of the way there.

          ZZ

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
            I've read that post before. Here are my problems with it:

            1.) An increase in dietary fat intake (except for MCT's) has zero impact on fatty acid oxidation. Consuming 100g of fat in a day will not make you burn more fat than consuming 0g of fat in a day. "Eat fat to burn fat" does not exist.

            2.) When you consume protein, it increases the metabolic rate. When you consume carbohydrate, it increases the metabolic rate. When you consume fat (except MCT's) it does not increase the metabolic rate. High fat diets slow the metabolic rate overtime because you decrease protein and carbohydrate consumption, which increase the metabolic rate.

            So, his idea is to basically starve yourself and drink liquid fat calories. This is a stupid idea because both carbohydrate and protein would both be better choices from a metabolic standpoint. Neither carbohydrate or protein are directly stored as fat and consumption of each supports the metabolic rate. Fat, on the other hand, is immediately stored as fat and does not increase the metabolic rate. He picked literally the least advantageous thing for you to do - drink refined liquid fat, the most fattening thing on Earth.

            If the goal is to create a massive caloric deficit and only consume a few hundred calories in a day, you'd be better off doing steamed skinless chicken breast or boiled white potatoes for the same caloric total. Both will be more filling, more nutritious, more metabolically advantageous and just superior in every way to drinking refined, nutritionless fat.

            That whole blog is an advertisement for snake oil. If you're interested in fast weight loss, Lyle McDonald's Rapid Fat Loss would be much more effective, much healthier and is actually thought through and is scientific. This is IMO sensationalist blogroll garbage meant to catch people's eyes by being edgy and flies in the face of CW. Of course, none of these things are sustainable, so I suggest you not go after any kind of quick fat loss solution and find a longterm lifestyle you can maintain.
            this sounds like fat fobia to me...
            After years and years of low fat or restricted fat diets I can finally let myself eat it. I love fat, I obsessed eating fat, I can eat nothing but fat, fat is the most filling thing, life without fat is not worth living...
            BUT it doesn't work for me when it comes to loosing my belly fat so I have to eat other stuff I don't really like, like chicken breasts and potatoes. crap.

            I have a cup of bulletproof in the morning before hitting the weights in the gym. I spend an hour in the gym and feel great: full of energy, enjoy my workouts and when I get home I'm still not hungry. On the other hand: if I have a small breakfast or like today I only had a banana before the gym session, I feel absolutely wasted: half through workout I'm dying from hunger, feel tired, and the worst of all that my stomach contents is trying to get out all the time, leaving me with horrible heart burn that I normally almost never have... Bulletproof coffee is my favorite pre-workout "meal". I wouldn't have it on my days off. Now when it comes to fat loss I have to look at my other meals and try to do some magic there because these last 2-3kg of belly will never go away, and I'm dying to get rid of them!!!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by zsz101 View Post
              All it really comes down to is eating high quality, whole foods, strength training, walking all over the place, and sleeping like a bear.

              Sure, you could experiment with carb cycling, and it would most likely yield more results, but in my experience, focusing on the basics will get you 90% of the way there.
              Just so you know, while this is true for many who are young, male, and still mostly healthy, it is not true for many others. Those basics did get me a good bit some wonderful health changes, but I could not lose any weight at all until I 100% eliminated wheat, then 50lb came off without any effort. Even then, I have had to resort to supplements that I swore I never would to conquer other issues, including chronic fatigue and severe relentless cravings.

              We are broken in ways that generations before us have never experienced. I am at least the 6th generation to be raised on junk crap in my family (going back to Appalachian families trying to survive on cornbread and corn syrup at the turn of the last century). Just the basics has, sadly, not been enough for me.

              yaut - do not engage ChocoTaco. He is a broken record.
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              Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
              Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
              Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
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              • #37
                Originally posted by yaut View Post
                Now when it comes to fat loss I have to look at my other meals and try to do some magic there because these last 2-3kg of belly will never go away, and I'm dying to get rid of them!!!
                This seems to be a very familiar refrain with folks that have lost weight on a low carb approach ... those last few pounds or kilos never come off. I have experienced the same thing. (see http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread91313.html ) From my experience, and from what I've seen from others on this forum, a higher fat / lower carb paleo will maintain you with a bit of chub. Carb cycling / lowering calories seems to be needed to start looking like something on the cover of a men's fitness magazine.
                Apathy is tyranny's greatest ally.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by yaut View Post
                  this sounds like fat fobia to me...
                  After years and years of low fat or restricted fat diets I can finally let myself eat it. I love fat, I obsessed eating fat, I can eat nothing but fat, fat is the most filling thing, life without fat is not worth living...
                  BUT it doesn't work for me when it comes to loosing my belly fat so I have to eat other stuff I don't really like, like chicken breasts and potatoes. crap.
                  So telling the truth about fat = fat phobia? Jeez. What Choco said is correct. And, in your case, if you're eating too much fat, you're probably eating over your daily energy expenditure, which equals no fat loss. You can't just eat as much fat as you want and lose weight unless you're eating under your maintenance caloric intake. There's no magic behind high fat, low carb diets.
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                  • #39
                    Yes, actually, you can eat more than were and start losing weight if the foods are right for you. In my case, I dropped the tiny bit of wheat I was eating and dramatically increased my fat & protein, and started losing. No exercise at all. Lost 1/2lb/week for 2 years straight.

                    We're not just a CICO machine. Many things happen to those calories once they get inside you. They can trigger an urge to fidget more, trigger an urge to binge, trigger an urge to lie down for hours, trigger fat storage ... calories are information, not just energy.
                    5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                    Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                    Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                    Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                    ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                    • #40
                      This is all very helpful information, thank you for your input. I think I will abort the Bulletproof fat loss protocol as of this eve. How much fat % should I eat to lose? Ketosis experiment netted a gain of 7lbs eating 100-150 g/day

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                      • #41
                        It's individual. No magic formula. Eat enough to nourish yourself, feel satisfied, and head off cravings (the ones that are for huge amounts of non-nutrient-dense foods). Having excess fat is mostly about hormonal imbalance, metabolic derangement, and/or inflammatory disease - not about CICO. Removing fat is treating just one symptom; the disorder remains and the symptom will come back if you only treat the symptom.

                        I think Julia Ross' book The Diet Cure is a fantastic overall exploration of health and nutrition.
                        5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                        Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                        Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                        Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                        ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post
                          It's individual. No magic formula. Eat enough to nourish yourself, feel satisfied, and head off cravings (the ones that are for huge amounts of non-nutrient-dense foods).
                          Agreed here.

                          Having excess fat is mostly about hormonal imbalance, metabolic derangement, and/or inflammatory disease - not about CICO.
                          I agree that fat accumulation can be more than a calorie imbalance, but I disagree completely that it has nothing to do with calories in calories out. I don't want to turn this thread into another CICO argument, but in controlled studies, when a caloric deficit is established, people lose weight.
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                          • #43
                            I started my primal journey by attempting the BP formula. I like a lot of it and a lot of it isn't for me or can be done in a MUCH more cost effective way. The cool thing about Dave Asprey, the founder, is he admits as much and is basically stating this is what worked for him.

                            No. It's not really a fast because you're ingesting healthy fats. It's just that you don't need as much solid food in the morning when jumping on the BP coffee. Here's what I've experienced:

                            1. I started with BP coffee, and now my wife swears by this ultimate low michotoxin formula, they do roast the beans in butter as well so there's a coating of fat over the coffee. This is also supposed to encapsulate the caffeine and turn it fat soluble, giving you more energy over a longer period.

                            Honestly I don't know if any of that makes a difference. Trying it with other locally roasted beans seems just as good. After all the recipe calls for you to at a minimum add a tablespoon or two of butter into your coffee plus a tablespoon of MCT oil. The cool thing is NONE of these supplements need to be ordered from Dave Asprey's site Bulletproofexec.com - Just buy yourself some grass fed butter, find some MCT oil at the store near the other oils, or just use Coconut oil and call it good. you're 90% there with minimal cost.

                            2. Use a pour over method. Boiling water and steeping your coffee using a french press or aero press, a mikita filter, or chemex greatly reduces the acidity in the coffee. Percolated coffee that just sits in the pot denatures all day and gets more acidic the longer it sits on that burner.

                            3. Dave doesn't exercise. He swears by this. He's in shape, he relentlessly follows this diet (his own) and does 45 minutes of exercise per month. I do more in a week than he does in a year. The primal method of the carb sweet spot of 100-150 a day seems to help me tremendously. If I don't have any carbs I just get into a state of fatigue where I don't feel like my muscles are repairing and my sleep pattern goes to garbage. I now disagree with him on this point, but who am I, certainly not a scientist with a major company.

                            4. I lost 23 pounds in less than a month on this low carb approach. Picking up the primal approach in the last two months and going more mainstream (I guess you call it that) Paleo, my weight has sort of baselined. Although now I'm happy with it because every week when I lift heavy things and do my other work outs I can see more definition in every area of my body. My wife has commented on it too which is a HUGE plus.

                            So bottom line:
                            I would try to do the BP routine without buying anything. Just eat primal, and if you want to start your day off with some quick absorbing fats then do the coconut oil and butter in the morning. Make sure you use a blender and then eat "normal" the rest of the day. I'm a fan of exercise, so I would subscribe to that a couple times a week and get some well timed primal carbs during the right windows of time before and after your work outs.

                            Today I started with a cup of coffee, butter, MCT oil, and a couple wedges of home made almond paleo bars. I loved it. For lunch I'm going to have some more protein after my workout and a ton of leafy greens. yum.
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                            • #44
                              Thanks for the detailed advice all. I am going to get the Diet Cure book as MamaGrok suggested. I'm on BCP so maybe that has my hormones out of whack. However, that is not new (on it since I was 30). The high fat keto diet was new for the past 3months after I read Volek and Phinney which resulted in weight gain. I would get so fustrated with the gain eating specifically according to their suggested plan that I would then quit and go on a carb binge (always gluten free - fruit, rice, ice cream) for 2days which would net additional water weight gain.

                              I think I have finally concluded that although I need some fat to feel satisfied my body does not like high fat.

                              Tekshow- much appreciated input. I do like the MCT in my coffee as I feel is gives me energy, butter not so much. I would rather add cream. How much fat did you eat during your weight loss?

                              Someone suggested Lyle McDonald. Thoughts?

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                              • #45
                                jakejoh, the reason it can work in a lab and not in real life is because in real life, eventually, your body will overtake your brain and tell you to move less (b/c you're taking in more) or just ramp up your cravings so high that you eat more. When there is no one with a syringe giving strict caloric control, the body takes over to preserve life (for instance, if it determines that the fat it has is necessary because it is keeping toxins/excessestrogen/etc. safely stored to prevent the excess from overwhelming an overburdened detox system, or because it is leptin resistant and doesn't know that it already has plenty of fat, or because the firmicute:bacteroidete ratio is grossly skewed).

                                Have you forgotten, though, about the studies where obese rats were given low calories and instead of losing weight, died fat? (I believe they were leptin resistant, IIRC.)
                                5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                                Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                                Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                                Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                                ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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