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  • Decent Paleo vs "Succesful" SAD. Difference?

    Hello everyone,

    So, I've been more or less Paleo in my eating since November 2011. To me, it's about health with the side benefits of losing weight, but I expected more weight loss.

    I've lost 20 pounds since I started, for a CW of 276 (I'm 5ft 9", size 20). Until January, I was being low carb (50-80 grs a day) with the occasional carb binge (going out with friends, coming to the inlaws, that kind of thing). My weight loss was slow, but steady at the time. Then my husband and I had to move to my in-law's for a while, which has been a high stressor. Also, they bake stuff all the time, and "something sweet" is a must after dinner, and even though I still don't eat nearly as much as I would have before, I still "try" all these things after dinner.

    I've always suspected that the slow weight loss is due to the fact that I don't exercise, and have these carb binges. But lately I've been thinking of my most successful weight loss to date, and that made me wonder...

    In 2009 I lost around 40 pounds in 6 months, following SAD common wisdom: I ate small meals every 3/4 hrs, lots of grains and vegetables. The big thing, in my opinion, is that I walked a lot: I was working at a hospital and was walking constantly from 8am to 5.30pm.

    Could it be all the walking I did that made me lose weight, even if I was having more carbs than I am now? Or could it be that I lose weight faster on a higher amount of carbs a day? I've read it's been like that for some people.

    Other info I think might help:
    -I have a slightly slow thyroid (getting better since November, non-medicated) - I've read that slow thyroids work better on slightly higher carbs?
    -I'm naturally IFing 16/8: wake up around 9 but don't eat until noon, when I eat a big salad with some protein. After lunch I have coffee with cream, and nothing else until dinner around 6, when I eat mostly protein and veggies... and a spoon of indian rice, or a quarter of naan, and a bit of chocolate, cake, 2 cookies, or whatever the rest of the family is having

    I appreciate any comments!
    Height: 5ft 9"
    Current pants size: 20 (Canada sizing).
    Goal: I'll let you know when I've reached it.

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    “The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind
    is a faithful servant. We have created a society that
    honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.”
    ~Albert Einstein~

  • #2
    You were probably eating fewer calories on your SAD diet. Plus walking is really good exercise. It not only helps burn a tiny bit of calories, it also gets your blood moving and reduces stress and gets you out in the sun where your skin can make vitamin D.
    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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    • #3
      CW gets a bad rap around here, but it isn't *completely* wrong on everything.

      If you are wanting to lose weight, exercise is a good way of increasing the amount of energy you use.

      And I'd skip the cake/cookies that the rest of the family is indulging in. Go for dark choc instead
      Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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      5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
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      • #4
        the best diet is the one you can stick to. taking the weight off through CW, vs. staying the same weight but eating primally? clear winner is taking the weight off through CW.

        my best advice would be to move to three square meals a day, with no snacks. stop the 'IF' pattern you're doing. don't cheat! you got this.

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        • #5
          Losing weight is about calories. You were probably eating less calories on your old diet if you lost more weight. When you are that overweight the best thing to do is eat a diet that isn't completely stupid, that you can stick to, and produces a steady weight loss. At your weight 20 pounds in 6 months is not very much.

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          • #6
            I don't want to go back to SAD. I'm insulin resistant with PCOS. I do not want to have gestational diabetes when I decide to get pregnant and/or end up a diabetic in my 40s.

            My main concern is: is all the walking that made the difference, or could I do better with higher "primal" carbs? I know wheat is not good for me, and I don't want to go back to eating grains like I did before.
            Height: 5ft 9"
            Current pants size: 20 (Canada sizing).
            Goal: I'll let you know when I've reached it.

            *
            “The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind
            is a faithful servant. We have created a society that
            honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.”
            ~Albert Einstein~

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
              Losing weight is about calories. You were probably eating less calories on your old diet if you lost more weight. When you are that overweight the best thing to do is eat a diet that isn't completely stupid, that you can stick to, and produces a steady weight loss. At your weight 20 pounds in 6 months is not very much.
              couldn't agree more!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Aloe View Post
                I don't want to go back to SAD. I'm insulin resistant with PCOS. I do not want to have gestational diabetes when I decide to get pregnant and/or end up a diabetic in my 40s.

                My main concern is: is all the walking that made the difference, or could I do better with higher "primal" carbs? I know wheat is not good for me, and I don't want to go back to eating grains like I did before.
                you can be as primal as you'd like, go for it (!), but the key is to limit calories. the carbs don't matter that much. often, people feel fuller on a low carb diet, so if that works for you, go with it.

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                • #9
                  I'm sure the walking was good for you, and it couldn't hurt to do more of it now. I think your slowed loss now is probably due to the stress of a new/different living situation and those sugar/flour treats in the evening. Just a little at the end of a meal can set off some bad things in your body.

                  And while jimhensen and jakey might sneer at your 20 pounds in six months, 20 pounds while eating a diet you can live with is great!

                  I would advise no more dessert or breads at dinner. If you want to try them for the sake of family harmony, save them for the next day, when you are hungry, instead of having them at the end of a meal. Try the old, "I am so full from this other good food you made, that I can't manage another bite, but I'll save it for later' routine.

                  Also, get an extra hour of sleep to help your body cope with stress. Moving to a new situation, even a great one, is one of the top five stressors in modern life.

                  Good luck.

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                  • #10
                    I am by no means carb-phobic, but I think low carbs are generally a good idea for insulin resistant people.

                    By all means, start walking again. It will be good for your body and good for your stress level. But I'd also give up at least the sweets and the naan. I'm sure your in-laws will understand that you are trying to lose weight and be healthy for when you have their grandbaby.

                    What sorts of fats are you eating? Do your in-laws cook with ghee or have they bought into the whole vegetable oil thing?

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                    • #11
                      Movement is an essential nutrient for health.

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                      • #12
                        I think that under your own circumstances, you're doing great.

                        When you are in an environment that you create (your own place), this will reduce stress which will facilitate weight loss. In that environment, you can also eat exactly how you want, so that will help with your food quality. And, hopefully you'll be able to get the movement that you prefer (walking and standing all day makes a HUGE difference, btw).

                        Until then, "decent" is good.

                        And congratulations on your weight loss!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Aloe View Post
                          I'm insulin resistant with PCOS. I do not want to have gestational diabetes when I decide to get pregnant and/or end up a diabetic in my 40s.

                          My main concern is: is all the walking that made the difference, or could I do better with higher "primal" carbs? I know wheat is not good for me, and I don't want to go back to eating grains like I did before.
                          It is not one or the other for your situation you should both be limiting carbs AND working to increase your movement/exercise. Brisk walking is a great place to start and its the basis of healthy movement.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Aloe View Post
                            ...I'm naturally IFing 16/8: wake up around 9 but don't eat until noon, when I eat a big salad with some protein. After lunch I have coffee with cream, and nothing else until dinner around 6, when I eat mostly protein and veggies... and a spoon of indian rice, or a quarter of naan, and a bit of chocolate, cake, 2 cookies, or whatever the rest of the family is having

                            I appreciate any comments!
                            I would recommend you start keeping a food journal at least for a while. I think you might surprise yourself and find you are eaing way more of those "a bite of this, a spoon of this" than you think you are. If you're insulin-resistant (I was), as long as you continue to ingest grains, even small amounts, I don't believe you'll ever regain your sensitivity. If you don't feel that you can flat out turn something down (the I'm so full on the rest of your great food line is a good one), then see if you can take something and sort of mess around with it on your plate so it looks like you're eating. Honestly, my own humble opinion is that you need to be able to say, thanks, but no thanks to things that you know are unhealthy for you...naan, rice, two cookies (?), etc.

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                            • #15
                              I'll second getting out to walk more; walking is VERY important. Just 30 minutes a day will make a difference. Also, watch those cheats (cookies, cakes, ect) because though they seem small they pile up so fast. It's a slippery slope for some of us when we indulge in those little cheats and it can lead to unsatisfactory weight loss.
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                              Starting Stats: Weighed 266 lbs, Body Fat 37.6% (100 lbs), BMI 40.9

                              Current Stats: Weight 140 lbs, Body Fat 15.2% (21.1 lbs), BMI 21.2

                              Current Goals: Get a stronger core through Pilates and continue being as Primal as I can be.

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