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    My joints are killing me! In particular my knees and hips. I am still taking glucosamine/chondroitin, and I'm 5 weeks out from a car accident that left me with a nasty sprained knee, but tonight I am aching terribly! I would really like to avoid adding another handful of meds to take, since I'm trying to get rid of most of them. Shortly I will slather my knees with Icy Hot before bed, but does anyone have any suggestions?

    Is this a side effect of my diet change? Something that others have experienced? Will it go away soon?

  • #2
    try eliminating night shades from your diet (tomatoes, bell pepper, egg plant, potatoes, cucumbers). It's really helped my joint health
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    • #3
      i second the good dr., and would also urge you to remove as much omega6 fat from your diet as possible. be a nazi on that one...

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      • #4
        I always hear about the nightshades, does that include jalapenos? Never heard about omega6 and arthritis--details, please.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by windypasswheeler View Post
          Never heard about omega6 and arthritis--details, please.
          inflammation is all about controlling your balance of eiconsanoids, which are signaling hormones created from the essential fatty acids - omega3 and omega6. you've heard about the omega3:6 ratio right? mark's written about it somewhere, i'm sure, do a search on the main blog.

          basically, limit your overall exposure to omega6 fat. eating primally takes care of a lot of this by eliminating see oils, but people fuck it up with the nuts and the almond flour monstrosities.

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          • #6
            Increase your omega 3s for sure and cut out any processed foods. Even paleo friendly. The process of "processing" changes the speed at which your body changes foods into sugars. The faster your body can change food to sugars the higher the insulin response, which also inceases your inflamation. The lower your inflamation, the lower your pain. And supplement with omega 3s, oh and one more thing, take more omega 3s. Did I mention the benefits of Omega 3s?

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            • #7
              Do you drink wine? About 10 years ago, I came down with terrible pain in certain joints...knees and fingers. It was excruciating pain. I felt like I had shards of glass in them. It happened twice and each time, I had ONE single glass of wine the night before. I haven't had a drop since then and have not experienced the pain again. I just remembered. I did have it one other time in some finger joints. I didn't drink any wine BUT I did eat a very small package of chocolate covered raisins. Now I avoid grapes at all costs!!! Strange but true! Of course since going primal, I don't eat "packaged" stuff anymore!!!

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              • #8
                I have found that taking fat supplements helps. In (personal experience) the order of increasing helpfulness is

                Regular fish oils < Cod Liver Oils < Salmon Oils < Grass-fed butter (good source of CLA).

                That's me though. Your body could react totally differently.
                Drinking lots of water seems to be pretty helpful, too.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
                  try eliminating night shades from your diet (tomatoes, bell pepper, egg plant, potatoes, cucumbers). It's really helped my joint health
                  I don't eat a lot of tomatoes, I've never been a big fan. But I have started eating them a little more since starting this. Haven't had any of the others, I thought potatoes weren't allowed? Does this apply also to sweet potatoes? Just tried some last night, I've generally hated them, but I'm trying to branch out my diet. I will search for other things that are night shades. Thank you!

                  Originally posted by Cricket View Post
                  Do you drink wine? About 10 years ago, I came down with terrible pain in certain joints...knees and fingers. It was excruciating pain. I felt like I had shards of glass in them. It happened twice and each time, I had ONE single glass of wine the night before. I haven't had a drop since then and have not experienced the pain again. I just remembered. I did have it one other time in some finger joints. I didn't drink any wine BUT I did eat a very small package of chocolate covered raisins. Now I avoid grapes at all costs!!! Strange but true! Of course since going primal, I don't eat "packaged" stuff anymore!!!
                  I do drink red wine very very occasionally. I had some last night in fact, when I was hurting pretty terribly. It, along with the absolute darkest chocolate I can find are the only treats I'm having. If that is something I will have to give up too, so be it (can't really afford it anyway, hence the only very occasionally) but it will make me sad. Still, I'd rather not hurt!

                  I've had zero packaged anything since starting this, so I know it isn't that! I'm being very careful with what we're getting at the grocery store and we're only buying fresh items, no pre-packaged stuff.

                  Originally posted by jakey View Post
                  inflammation is all about controlling your balance of eiconsanoids, which are signaling hormones created from the essential fatty acids - omega3 and omega6. you've heard about the omega3:6 ratio right? mark's written about it somewhere, i'm sure, do a search on the main blog.

                  basically, limit your overall exposure to omega6 fat. eating primally takes care of a lot of this by eliminating see oils, but people fuck it up with the nuts and the almond flour monstrosities.
                  I have very much increased the amount of nuts I'm having. I used to not eat really any, now I'm having some almost every day, using them to add crunch to salads and such. We started with just almonds, but I picked up some pecans last weekend. Does this apply to the nut flours only, or to the nuts themselves? I am not using any flours.

                  I did previously take an Omega-3 supplement, but I've been out for quite some time. I need to get some more. My water intake is generally quite high, as I really only drink coffee in the mornings, and then water the rest of the day.

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                  • #10
                    cut those nuts and see if it doesn't help! also, omega3 supplements are not nearly as good as actual oily fish.

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                    • #11
                      Peppers are nightshades. Sweet potatoes are a different species entirely from regular white potatoes. White potatoes, tomatoes and peppers are the biggies. It could just be a temporary phase as your body clears something away in healing. I found I went through various phases, although joint pain wasn't one of them.
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                      • #12
                        My joints hurt too, IF I have consumed grains or fructose. Also, I had a glass of red wine at a wedding last summer and that was the last time, as my knee throbbed afterwards. When inflammation hits, which now is rare (used to be rather constant), I can trace it to something I ingested. That is how I discovered that some fructose is generally OK but beyond 1-2 fruit per day reeks havoc with inflammation.

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                        • #13
                          I found taking 10000 units of vitamin D3 a day helped me. My hands used to ache all the time.

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                          • #14
                            Exactly what are you eating in the course of a regular day? It is impossible to say what might be causing your particular symptoms without knowing what the input is, so to speak.

                            Do you eat any grains - they are known to be inflammatory?
                            As the other folk have said - nightshades
                            Wine may be contraindicate.

                            But the only sure way to know is to cut them out for a week or two then reintroduce in small doses and see what happens. There is no quick fix for dietary stuff.
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                            • #15
                              My general diet since starting has been:
                              Breakfast- 2 scrambled eggs, maybe a slice or 2 of bacon, black coffee
                              Lunch: generally a spinach salad with carrots, mushrooms, olives, either raisins or cranberries, and sometimes walnuts. The toppings sort of depend on what is on the salad bar. Grilled chicken chunks when they have it. Sometimes leftovers from dinner if I've made enough.
                              Dinner: either beef, chicken, or fish- grilled or pan-fried in coconut oil, and then usually some type of veggie (green beans, broccoli, etc) maybe avocado, and I was chopping almonds into it somewhere.

                              I have had a couple days where I had a banana and an apple for breakfast when I had to leave quick.

                              I've had no processed stuff or grains until last night for dinner when we were at my nephew's birthday party and I was starving and forced myself to eat a hot dog. Yes it was gross and I was hungry again for real food before bed-time. I also had one cupcake.

                              Other than that, and literally a glass or two of wine over the last week, nothing really out of the ordinary.

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