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    I'm still making my way through the book and I'm already on the diet, and loving it. But I have to ask about a few points that seem like flawed logic.


    In the section on legumes, Mark says that it should be a bad sign that beans need to be soaked, cooked, or fermented. Yet, meats have to be cooked before we eat them. Not to mention, he says nuts & seeds are OK, but many people need to soak certain nuts to make them more easily digestible.


    Is it just me, or does the argument against legumes seem pretty weak?


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    Meats don't have to be cooked. We just choose to.


    My understanding is that even pork and chicken from clean sources can be eaten raw.

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      I'm not a fan of nuts at all. Most likely our ancestors were not munching down on mounds and mounds of nuts but could only scrounge up a little handful every once in a while. Either way, far too much omega 6.


      I think that there is a far better argument against legumes and that is they have LOTS of carbs. Meat doesn't have to be cooked but most people prefer to. Legumes HAVE to be cooked and nobody in the paleolithic era was eating them.


      I still can't give up chickpeas though. Half a cup along with a salad and some sardines is all I'll eat.

      Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

      Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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        I think the main difference is that for the most part meat and nuts can be eaten raw, while legumes usually cannot. As with anything there are exceptions, some nuts can benefit from soaking, and some legumes dont necessarily need any treatment.

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          You've never enjoyed steak bleu (seared on the outside, raw in the middle), carpaccio, steak tartare, oysters on the half shell or sushi? Many cultures have dishes based on raw meat well beyond what I've listed here.


          Cooking generally improves the taste of meat and the texture. Tough meats can be made tender by cooking. Chicken is downright disgusting in texture if not cooked through. Cooking allows us to impart extra flavors in the meat (like stuffing a turkey or marinating a pork chop). But it doesn't really increase the nutritive value of the meat.


          Cooking also kills any living organisms of course. But the dangerous bacteria aren't inherent in meat. They are introduced during handling and storage. If an animal has been cleanly slaughtered and butchered there's no reason you can't just chow down. There is one particularly gruesome episode of No Reservations where Anthony chows down on whole raw seal with an Inuit family.

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            @Agatsu:

            I'm curious about raw chicken from a clean source. I personally would never try it but I read recently (on the MayoClinc site, I think) that your chances of getting Salmonella from raw eggs is lessened if the eggs come from pastured chickens.

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              raw seal party:


              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGVdYiM5IXw


              wow...they really do manage to eat or save every part of that animal.

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                Man, you must be new to the paleo/primal community. There are some hardcore "raw paleo" folks out there who eat nothing but raw meat.


                I don't see myself going there, but then again, I've been doing a lot of things that I never saw myself doing.

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                  Prowler, like what? Have you eaten bugs?

                  "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo, a warm dream."
                  -Raymond Peat, PhD

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                    No, that's probably quite a ways down the road for me, still.


                    I have been eating liver for the first time, though. And the other day I asked my butcher if he could get me some brains.

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                      Boo you Prowler, I thought you were hardcore :P


                      I love liver and hearts and even bellybuttons! (chicken ones, yes they have them)

                      You should also try cow tongue! Yum!

                      "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo, a warm dream."
                      -Raymond Peat, PhD

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                        gizzards! that's the word.

                        "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo, a warm dream."
                        -Raymond Peat, PhD

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                          I've had tongue before... it is pretty good.


                          I would try brains right now, if I could find some.

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                            It reminds me of something my Chinese co-workers told me once... that it was considered a delicacy and a privilege to scalp a live monkey and eat its brains while it was still alive!


                            Now, what do you think of eating brains, Prowler? :P

                            "The penis is the male animal-flower, a soft-firm dildo, a warm dream."
                            -Raymond Peat, PhD

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                              NoSalad, ugh. Live?

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