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    I just posted the other day about transitioning from vegan to paleo but I am started to have the vegan mindset again! I am worried about possible weight gain, because won't I obviously be eating way more calories now coming from an ALL vegetable diet (no grains that often) to meat and more fat at every meal? I love this community here and need some support/insight into all of this research.

    From reading these books and websites, I see that insulin is the cause of weight gain- so I see that we can eat more protein and fats without any problem of spiking our insulin, however I am just concerned about overall calorie intake. Can anyone reassure me that this won't be an issue and in fact I may LOSE weight?

    Also I went from running 5 times a week (4 miles a day) to cutting it out- I am just going to be doing long walks and some sprints once a week, and continue with weight training.

    Just trying to comprehend this because mostly the paleo community is focused on muscle building rather than getting lean and thin- am I right?

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    i think you're going to have to describe your situation a little more. are you very thin right now? are you overweight? it seems to depend on the person, but it's not necessarily the case that you're going to be eating more calories. remember to eat slowly and pay attention to your level of satiation. there may be a period of adjustment when you'll have to pay close attention to how full you feel. also, you might gain weight if you were previously protein deficient, just from your body using the now-available (or more easily assimilated) protein to repair muscle. it's more useful to pay attention to your BF% (you can eyeball this by monitoring the fat that's on your body) than weight, because weight can be deceiving. there are some very lean individuals on these boards, and if that's your goal, seek them out and figure out what works for them (as it may work for you).
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    • #3
      Originally posted by VeggieLover View Post
      Just trying to comprehend this because mostly the paleo community is focused on muscle building rather than getting lean and thin- am I right?
      This is not an either/or situation. Building muscle is one of the best ways to get lean.
      Not to mention the mountain of other health benefits from insulin sensitivity to the joys of being strong.

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      • #4
        I think you should do more research so that you understand how your body's metabolism actually works. I also think you should stay vegan. You obviously care more about your weight than your health.
        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by VeggieLover View Post
          I see that insulin is the cause of weight gain- so I see that we can eat more protein and fats without any problem of spiking our insulin, however I am just concerned about overall calorie intake. Can anyone reassure me that this won't be an issue and in fact I may LOSE weight?
          do you know how many calories you consume a day at this point? you can easily tailor your primal diet to match the same number of calories, which ought to alleviate any concerns as you start out. also, i'm curious about how you've been eating, as a vegan, without much grains. what were you eating?

          now, for the primal blueprint heresy. the quoted text from your post - which is supported by mark's book- is kind of bullshit. i'm sorry, i think it is. there's a lot to be said for keeping your fasting insulin levels low; this is good advice. but the idea that you can't store fat without insulin isn't accurate. if you eat too much protein and fat, you may gain weight, and you may certainly stop your weightloss. low carb is a great strategy for weightloss, and makes a great intervention for many people. but it's not magical. normal insulin spikes, in and of themselves, do not make you fat.

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          • #6
            the more muscle I build, the "smaller" I get.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by VeggieLover View Post
              I just posted the other day about transitioning from vegan to paleo but I am started to have the vegan mindset again! I am worried about possible weight gain, because won't I obviously be eating way more calories now coming from an ALL vegetable diet (no grains that often) to meat and more fat at every meal? I love this community here and need some support/insight into all of this research.

              From reading these books and websites, I see that insulin is the cause of weight gain- so I see that we can eat more protein and fats without any problem of spiking our insulin, however I am just concerned about overall calorie intake. Can anyone reassure me that this won't be an issue and in fact I may LOSE weight?

              Also I went from running 5 times a week (4 miles a day) to cutting it out- I am just going to be doing long walks and some sprints once a week, and continue with weight training.

              Just trying to comprehend this because mostly the paleo community is focused on muscle building rather than getting lean and thin- am I right?
              After reading a lot of your posts I think you are over thinking things, trying too many different eating strategies, increasing stress, and putting your focus on the wrong thing-weight.

              If you have read The Primal Blueprint and like it's premise, then commit to working the program for at least 30 days.. Don't weigh yourself during the 30 days. Just eat primal foods to satiety, get enough sleep, move, etc. At the end of 30 days make a list of all the ways you feel better and/or worse-if that's the case.

              After looking at your list decide if the benefits are enough for you to continue following the program.. After you make the decision to continue or not, feel free to weigh and measure, just to see.

              By the way, I wasn't focused on muscle building or getting lean/thin. My focus and goal was getting and staying healthy. I met my goal in a year and have maintained my health for 2+years. A bonus of my focus- 50+ lbs disappeared and have stayed gone.

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              • #8
                This can't be real. amirite?

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                • #9
                  Don't be worried about weight gain from going primal. You may consume more calories, and that would be because your body needs more calories. The girl in the following pictures is a great example:

                  On the left, she's 117#. On the right, she's been lifting and is 131#.


                  And here, she's gone from 131# to 142#.


                  Look at the difference! If you want to look good, do what this girl did, lift and feed yourself to support your lifting. She eats insane amounts of healthy food. Read this to see. I don't think she worries about calories. She worries about eating enough calories to support her lifestyle, which, even a fool can see, very much agrees with her.
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                  • #10
                    I've been on a "mostly compliant" primal diet for a few years now and my weight fluctuates about 5 pounds up and down. My usual calorie consumption is around 2600-3000 calories.
                    Last year I experimented for 30 days with a strict primal diet in which I consciously ate high fat. Lots of extra meat, eggs, and coconut oil. My daily calorie consumption was anywhere between 4000 and 5000 calories. During this time period I lost 7 pounds.
                    I'm female, 53 years old, 5'4-1/2", vary between 126-131 pounds. Focus on weight lifting and bodyweight workouts, minimal cardio.

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                    • #11
                      Yep, Stacey over at Nerd Fitness is my icon right now
                      The Paleo Strongwoman - A site dedicated to strength, and feeding strength.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by VeggieLover View Post
                        I just posted the other day about transitioning from vegan to paleo but I am started to have the vegan mindset again! I am worried about possible weight gain, because won't I obviously be eating way more calories now coming from an ALL vegetable diet (no grains that often) to meat and more fat at every meal? I love this community here and need some support/insight into all of this research.

                        From reading these books and websites, I see that insulin is the cause of weight gain- so I see that we can eat more protein and fats without any problem of spiking our insulin, however I am just concerned about overall calorie intake. Can anyone reassure me that this won't be an issue and in fact I may LOSE weight?
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                        • #13
                          I think you make it difficult for yourself because you think that Paleo is necessarily high meat and high fat - it is not! Paleo is great because there are so many possible varitations and possibilities to find your own, personal version. The "rules" are to avoid grains (though I enjoy some properly prepared grains from time to time without feeling guilty), to keep Omega-6 intake low (no plant oils) and to eat whole, natural, minimally prepared food. I, just to give you an example, do not eat as much fat as some people here do - not because I think that there is something unhealthy in eating the right fats (which I do but in moderation), just because it isnīt optimal for ME. Some meals I enjoy are actually vegetarian (huge salads with an egg or two and some parmesan cheese), many meals include meat (but I am often fine with 3-4 ounces per serving and sometimes less) and on some occasions I want meat/fish so much that I only add a small amount of plant food to the dish. I do not count macronutrients. You can do fine on the Primal diet with adding some eggs or small amounts of meat to your vegetarian dishes. Your food doesnīt need to swim in added fat if that is not for you but your fat intake shouldnīt be too low either.
                          As to Stacey who another commenter refered to: She looks great and is definitely leaner at a higher weight. For many women (who arenīt underweight but at a healthy weight) it doesnīt work out like this. Leaning out is easier while shedding some fat (maintaining muscle mass) as most females will not put on 10 pounds of pure muscle. Lifting weights is important but you have to find out for yourself if you want to do it in calorie balance or a calorie plus - just see what your body does!

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                          • #14
                            I think the truth is that you can't predict how your body will react. You may go primal and start dropping pounds... you may gain a bot. You may need to tinker with calories, or maybe you can eat however much. I've been slow to lose pounds, but been getting smaller thru my core. I have gained muscle and lost fat.

                            You just need to try if you want to find out... you can always go back to vegan. Realize it may take a few months to see how your body may or may not change.
                            Last edited by magnolia1973; 04-08-2012, 06:00 AM.

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                            • #15
                              That woman looks INCREDIBLE!

                              I guess I have been overthinking this for a long time- the same way I was overthinking veganism. Thank you for the advice I do think diet is individual. I seem to do better on higher fat. I tried the low fat vegan route once and it constipated me and made me feel so horrible that I gave it up after 3 days. I tried raw vegan once too with no fats- that felt even worse. So I am trying something new because veganism just seems to be turning against me.

                              Maybe I do need to avoid the scale and just try to relax about this- I already noticed improved digestion since switching to paleo and I am not always starving! Listening to my body is probably the best thing to do right now. Thanks for the support here.

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