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  • #61
    Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
    This is true... skinny fat people actually have a lower life expectancy and more health issues than moderately overweight people do.
    Are you skinny fat?
    F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
      Are you skinny fat?
      Oh no... not I, I'm overweight but whittling it very slowly down towards normal. But I do read alot and have seen studies indicating that underweight and particularly skinnyfat people are pretty exceptionally unhealthy in the grand scheme of things. The outlook is often just as bad as people who are obese.
      Fierce has claimed skinnyfat status in other threads.
      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
        Oh no... not I, I'm overweight but whittling it very slowly down towards normal. But I do read alot and have seen studies indicating that underweight and particularly skinnyfat people are pretty exceptionally unhealthy in the grand scheme of things. The outlook is often just as bad as people who are obese.
        Fierce has claimed skinnyfat status in other threads.
        Glad to hear it.

        Yes, underweight and skinny fat are unhealthy. I've read plenty of peer-reviewed articles showing that being overweight during middle age confers the greatest longevity. BMI of around 29 in women and 30 in men is optimal. Obviously high lean mass helps.

        So, it seems that if I want to lose more weight it's down to vanity, and not about optimal health.
        F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
          Try not to, don't click on the link, nooooooo......
          Change Your Genetic Destiny / The GenoType Diet
          This book is freaktastically good.

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          It's endorsed by Dr. Oz?? there isn't anything else to say.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
            Glad to hear it.

            Yes, underweight and skinny fat are unhealthy. I've read plenty of peer-reviewed articles showing that being overweight during middle age confers the greatest longevity. BMI of around 29 in women and 30 in men is optimal. Obviously high lean mass helps.

            So, it seems that if I want to lose more weight it's down to vanity, and not about optimal health.
            now if i was a reductionist, i would say "oh, i need to raise my BMI! Mmmm chocolate cake *is* good for my health!!" since i'm quite a few points under that BMI. granted, i'm a little skeptical of that, and think that it boils down to having a higher lean body mass and a little bit of fat.

            my primal journal:
            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...Primal-Journal

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Saoirse View Post
              now if i was a reductionist, i would say "oh, i need to raise my BMI! Mmmm chocolate cake *is* good for my health!!" since i'm quite a few points under that BMI. granted, i'm a little skeptical of that, and think that it boils down to having a higher lean body mass and a little bit of fat.

              I hear that... My son has sightly high BMI if you go by the standard calculator because he carries a large amount of lean mass from lifting weights... not from being "fat", though he isn't "cut" and I really hope he never gets into that type thing. Most of the time according to statistics that whole "ultrafit" CUT thing doesn't come out too healthy either because of the way most people achieve those results I guess. Many bodybuilders have some super unhealthy diet practices.

              The underweight/skinnyfat results are quite shocking though to some people who believe that simply being very thin is the healthiest thing in the world and who sneer at anyone even in the upper normal weight range as a bunch of "fat asses" who only eat crap and are all going to die............ but who are actually statistically a LOT healthier.

              It is what it is.
              I have so many medical issues I know that I will never be in tip top shape again like when I was in my 20's. And that isn't a defeatist attitude, that is medical science. But I know that I can be in better shape than I currently am, and I'm working towards that. SLOWLY. My doctors highly approve of slowly actually. My Neuro doc told me just the other day that it is changes in life patterns that end in positive results, not DIETS. She sees people who crash off weight all the time, just to see them "crash it back on".
              “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
              ~Friedrich Nietzsche
              And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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              • #67
                Half my family are type O's and coconuts have been traditionally in their diets (majority of Filipinos are Type O). so cannot agree that all O's should avoid coconut in all forms. I've certainly had no problem with using coconut oil daily.
                My primal journal
                25yo female, height 5'7"
                goal weight: 60kg / 155lb
                goal fat%: 20%

                current weight: 70kg / 154lb

                “The fact that a great many people believe something is no guarantee of its truth.”
                ― W. Somerset Maugham

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                • #68
                  I'm O- and have tried it.

                  It is right on certain foods, certain of which give me stomach issues and gas. Cauliflower, egg whites, pork, wheat and legumes being major issues for me. On other things it was wrong, I get on well with small amount of raw milk cheese and fresh coconut water.

                  Many people forget that blood types are not just X, we in fact have three markers XXX. Your dominant type is O but you could have B in there as well. Genetics may play a bigger role.

                  If your racial background is Scottish for instance, you have a generally low tolerance for carbs. Racial genetics were seen as dominant enough that even Ancel Keyes remarked on it in the 70s when the present HCLF diet was introduced. It has also been noted that if you want to prove certain foods are good, then you do your study in an area where people are well adapted to that form of diet.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by JudyMac View Post
                    I'm O- and have tried it.

                    It is right on certain foods, certain of which give me stomach issues and gas. Cauliflower, egg whites, pork, wheat and legumes being major issues for me. On other things it was wrong...
                    With a large set of unfounded predictions (blood type diet), a seemingly random mix of correct and incorrect results is expected. This is about the most blatant display of BS that I have ever come across, and it has absolutely zero basis in reality. The antigens coded for by the A, B and O alleles have absolutely nothing to do with a person's response to food metabolically of immunologically. Anyone who buys this nonsense need to realize that they lack the basic knowledge about genetics, cell biology, and physiology to evaluate claims like these. Either educate yourself, or stop claiming to know what you are talking about.

                    Also, the term "anecdotal evidence" is next to meaningless. Anecdotes are not evidence and never will be. There is "anecdotal evidence" for the existence of Sasquatch, the accuracy of horoscopes, and for diving spirits of the dead. Choose your sources of evidence wisely.

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                    • #70
                      I follow paleo blood type diet and its right on. Never felt better. I followed Paleo first and just made it slightly tighter by blood typing it. Im an O, and even though they can eat some grains I stay away from them. So I am inline with Paleo and blood type eating. Im sure it will continue to get bashed on here by some, just in the same way that a forum supporting blood type eating would bash paleo. Its the way of the world.

                      Richard
                      It isn't the mountains ahead that wear you out....Its the grain of sand in your shoe.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Richardmac View Post
                        I follow paleo blood type diet and its right on. Never felt better. I followed Paleo first and just made it slightly tighter by blood typing it. Im an O, and even though they can eat some grains I stay away from them. So I am inline with Paleo and blood type eating. Im sure it will continue to get bashed on here by some, just in the same way that a forum supporting blood type eating would bash paleo. Its the way of the world.

                        Richard
                        If someone makes a set of claims about diet, and thousands of people apply those claims, a certain number of people will respond positively to those claims simply through probability. You are one who happened to respond positively to these absurd claims. I could make up any set of claims I want and it will work for some people. This is entirely different than a set of recommendations working in a manner that is beyond probability. The claims of this diet are so absurd that you should be embarrassed for believing it.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by The Scientist View Post
                          This is about the most blatant display of BS that I have ever come across, and it has absolutely zero basis in reality. The antigens coded for by the A, B and O alleles have absolutely nothing to do with a person's response to food metabolically of immunologically. Anyone who buys this nonsense need to realize that they lack the basic knowledge about genetics, cell biology, and physiology to evaluate claims like these.
                          I'm torn between this thoroughly scientific ripping apart of obvious woo and fiercehunter's convincing plea that "it seriously works, I have this friend..."

                          Oh wait, no I'm not.
                          The Champagne of Beards

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
                            I've had disasterous results from eating grains like wheat and dairy, really think it has to do with my specifc genes.

                            I have a theory that the Kardashians are likely blood type Os. They are aggressive and just imo look like typical Os. The 3 sisters- Kourtney, Khloe and Kim- all eat pizza regularly and work out. You guys can all laugh I don't care but really- grains are so bad for you if you have this blood type, period.

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                            While its possible there is some correlation between blood types and dietary health, its very unlikely that a specific blood type predetermines who food you can eat.

                            Your claim that blood type is linked to personality I find quite offensive. Then again I'm probably type A since I'm an asshole.
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                            • #74
                              I was in the worst mood this morning, until I read this thread. Thanks for the laugh, fierce.
                              “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” Rumi

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by The Scientist View Post
                                With a large set of unfounded predictions (blood type diet), a seemingly random mix of correct and incorrect results is expected. This is about the most blatant display of BS that I have ever come across, and it has absolutely zero basis in reality. The antigens coded for by the A, B and O alleles have absolutely nothing to do with a person's response to food metabolically of immunologically. Anyone who buys this nonsense need to realize that they lack the basic knowledge about genetics, cell biology, and physiology to evaluate claims like these. Either educate yourself, or stop claiming to know what you are talking about.

                                Also, the term "anecdotal evidence" is next to meaningless. Anecdotes are not evidence and never will be. There is "anecdotal evidence" for the existence of Sasquatch, the accuracy of horoscopes, and for diving spirits of the dead. Choose your sources of evidence wisely.
                                I was first referring to my own experience with it. It was right about some foods for me.

                                As for mentioning Ancel Keyes and his evidence in 1970s, that is documented fact. Scotland and the Scottish race are cited by him as among those for whom HCLF diet may not work. Perhaps you should actually read his papers before commenting. Then you should make fascetious comments to the US Government who endorsed his work and used it to create the abortion that is the present Standard American High Carb Diet.

                                Whilst blood type is not really relevent, and I did say that, genetics certainly is and your blood type is governed by your genetics.

                                The end.

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