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    So I've been VLC for a while, but decided after reading various forum threads to try upping it a bit. I added some white rice (single serve) the last two days at lunch. Unfortunately, my previously newly clear skin broke out day by two, and my cravings started - all of a sudden dinner wasn't doing it and I kept wanting to go back to the cupboard. Luckily my 'binge' consisted of three brazil nuts, and two fried eggs on a piece of roast pumpkin. The food itself is not worrying me - much healthier than what I used to stuff down my throat. But the binge-feelings returning concern me.

    So I'm going to stick to getting my carbs from veggies and a few extra starchy vegies, and leave the rice for a few months.

    Has anyone else successfuly increased their carbs?

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    maybe start off with something that's a little more nutrient dense and slower absorbing than white rice. to be honest, white rice is still my last carb of choice. sweet potatoes are great. another good way to introduce carbs back is bananas.

    another important thing about adding back carbs, is that you can't prepare your same exact keto meal and just add in a cup of rice, or a baked potato. that's just eating more food. that doesn't work.

    if you're doing find on VLC, i don't think you have to introduce carbs into your diet. i find that most people will eventually not do so well on VLC, and will want to change the situation, and at that point, it may be easier.

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    • #3
      Many people have, and many people haven't, it's a mixed bag. You just have to find what works for you and stick with it, without being afraid to dip your toe into the other end of the pool every once in a while to see how you like it.
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      • #4
        Did you have the rice, by itself? If so, I'd suggest you combine it. Also, I've prepared the rice, the way I always thought I should, growing up: rinse it out, until you see the rice under the water, clearly. As far as this method is concerned, I haven't checked with my mom as the "proper" way of rice prep, but I always thought this was it. YMMV. I think what allowed me to get back into white rice was, eating warak enab (Lebanese stuffed grape lives, sans meat). Apparently, the Lebanese make this distinguishable from dolmos, or dolmath (stuffed graped leaves w/ meat).
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        • #5
          Originally posted by jakey View Post
          maybe start off with something that's a little more nutrient dense and slower absorbing than white rice. to be honest, white rice is still my last carb of choice. sweet potatoes are great. another good way to introduce carbs back is bananas.

          another important thing about adding back carbs, is that you can't prepare your same exact keto meal and just add in a cup of rice, or a baked potato. that's just eating more food. that doesn't work.

          if you're doing find on VLC, i don't think you have to introduce carbs into your diet. i find that most people will eventually not do so well on VLC, and will want to change the situation, and at that point, it may be easier.


          Hmm. Well I wanted to try increasing them because I'm not doing well on VLC - no energy and no weight loss. I kept my calories roughly the same, for the day, maybe a *little* bit higher, but then, they were quite low anyway so I had room to move.
          Might be better off sticking with a bit of fruit for now.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lssanjose View Post
            Did you have the rice, by itself? If so, I'd suggest you combine it. Also, I've prepared the rice, the way I always thought I should, growing up: rinse it out, until you see the rice under the water, clearly. As far as this method is concerned, I haven't checked with my mom as the "proper" way of rice prep, but I always thought this was it. YMMV. I think what allowed me to get back into white rice was, eating warak enab (Lebanese stuffed grape lives, sans meat). Apparently, the Lebanese make this distinguishable from dolmos, or dolmath (stuffed graped leaves w/ meat).


            No, I mixed had it with roast pumpkin, eggplant and some tuna, and a bit of pesto. Basically my normal salad, with rice instead of heaps of lettuce and mushrooms.

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            • #7
              Hmm.. how about prep-wise? How did you prep the rice, before putting it in the pan, or rice cooker (I'm still proud of purchasing it )?
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              • #8
                Has anyone else successfuly increased their carbs?
                Yes. I went from eating approx 50g carbs per day (or less) to an average of 100-150g per day (from fruit, white rice, and potatoes) and feel WAY better. More energy, more satisfied after a meal, and the fat is still coming off so it's definitely working for me.

                What kinds of exercise do you do?
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                • #9
                  Prep wise - just did it on the stove top in the usual way.

                  Exercise wise - I have a PT weight session once per week, and try and do my own shorter weights session 1x per week. Then usually 1 jog per week (about 30mins, thinking about pushing out to 40min soon), one ride per week (~50mins) and one boxing bag session per week (~30mins), plus incidental walking whenever I can. I'd love to fit in more but I am a full time PhD student + work one day a week on top of all the study, so free time isn't abundant...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lucy1984 View Post
                    Exercise wise - I have a PT weight session once per week, and try and do my own shorter weights session 1x per week. Then usually 1 jog per week (about 30mins, thinking about pushing out to 40min soon), one ride per week (~50mins) and one boxing bag session per week (~30mins), plus incidental walking whenever I can. I'd love to fit in more but I am a full time PhD student + work one day a week on top of all the study, so free time isn't abundant...
                    IMHO, sounds like you're getting plenty as it is. I just got back from my PT weight session (I also see him once a week) and
                    we both agreed that my 6X a week exercising was too much. He's got me backing off to 2 weight sessions and 1 ballet class, and then just fit in interval cardio when I can.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lucy1984 View Post
                      Prep wise - just did it on the stove top in the usual way.

                      Exercise wise - I have a PT weight session once per week, and try and do my own shorter weights session 1x per week. Then usually 1 jog per week (about 30mins, thinking about pushing out to 40min soon), one ride per week (~50mins) and one boxing bag session per week (~30mins), plus incidental walking whenever I can. I'd love to fit in more but I am a full time PhD student + work one day a week on top of all the study, so free time isn't abundant...
                      Ah, I think what might help for next time is rinsing out. Not all rice brands are equal. However, I think you should rinse out the starch from the rice (I know there'll be those saying otherwise..). I have a superstitious way of going about it. I put the rice in water, circle it around a number of times, then leak the water out. I repeat the process, until I can sufficiently see the rice underneath the water. This has allowed me to eat rice, in conjunction with whatever I'm having additionally. After consuming, I don't feel a need for anything more, and am satiated.
                      If you have a problem with what you read: 1. Get a dictionary 2. Don't read it 3. Grow up 4. After 3, go back to 1/ or 2. -- Dennis Blue. | "I don't care about your opinion, only your analysis"- Professor Calabrese. | "Life is more important than _______" - Drew | I eat animals that eat vegetables -- Matt Millen, former NFL Linebacker. | "This country is built on sugar & shit that comes in a box marinated in gluten - abc123

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jakey View Post
                        maybe start off with something that's a little more nutrient dense and slower absorbing than white rice. to be honest, white rice is still my last carb of choice. sweet potatoes are great. another good way to introduce carbs back is bananas.

                        another important thing about adding back carbs, is that you can't prepare your same exact keto meal and just add in a cup of rice, or a baked potato. that's just eating more food. that doesn't work.

                        if you're doing find on VLC, i don't think you have to introduce carbs into your diet. i find that most people will eventually not do so well on VLC, and will want to change the situation, and at that point, it may be easier.
                        This x10. You figured out your body doesn't like white rice (yet), but we already know not all carbs are the same.

                        Also, since you're already pressed for time, I wonder - what if instead of increasing your jog to 40 minutes, you did 10-15 minutes of sprinting? Less time, better workout. Might help budge the scale a bit.

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                        • #13
                          I've had a lot of success this past winter eating carbs on the weekends only & during the week eating no carbs & higher fat for a few days. Totally supresses my appetite. If I were you I'd enjoy rice & other carbs this summer then drop em in the fall & winter. The goal of primal isn't to gradually add rice back. Um, no.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lucy1984 View Post
                            So I've been VLC for a while, but decided after reading various forum threads to try upping it a bit. I added some white rice (single serve) the last two days at lunch. Unfortunately, my previously newly clear skin broke out day by two, and my cravings started - all of a sudden dinner wasn't doing it and I kept wanting to go back to the cupboard. Luckily my 'binge' consisted of three brazil nuts, and two fried eggs on a piece of roast pumpkin. The food itself is not worrying me - much healthier than what I used to stuff down my throat. But the binge-feelings returning concern me.

                            So I'm going to stick to getting my carbs from veggies and a few extra starchy vegies, and leave the rice for a few months.

                            Has anyone else successfuly increased their carbs?
                            Out of curiosity, why were you increasing carbs?

                            To answer your question, I have been making a point of eating a few more carbs than I used to on work out days. I don't track macros, but I'm still on the low carb end of things. I feel really good eating fairly, though not consistently ketogenic, low carb. If you have a diet that works for you, that's great.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by gcbcb View Post
                              Out of curiosity, why were you increasing carbs?

                              To answer your question, I have been making a point of eating a few more carbs than I used to on work out days. I don't track macros, but I'm still on the low carb end of things. I feel really good eating fairly, though not consistently ketogenic, low carb. If you have a diet that works for you, that's great.
                              No, VLC wasn't working for me, that's why I tried increasing. No energy, tired, low mood, and zero weight loss or shape change. But adding a little bit of rice awoke my bingey hunger and made me break out

                              I think general advice is to try things other than rice (or wash the rice...) and add sprints. I think that's probably the go - adding in carbs in the forms of veggies, and really have to get on top of the sprinting thing. I just don't like them! Ah well, 'suck it up self!', as they say.

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