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  • Issues in Introducing Carbs after VLC for 1.5 years

    Hi All!

    I don't know if I posted this earlier, but I am dong so again to make sure it came through. Also, I have begun introducing (starchy) carbs back into my diet, since of the negative effects I've been constantly dealing with since being VLC for 1.5 years.

    I was wondering if anyone else had issues in introducing carbs back into their diets after being VLC for a while. I seem to be experiencing: flatulence, bloating, flushing, thyroid pain, fatigue and indigestion..Has anyone experienced anything like this after introducing carbs back into their diets? I'm now eating potatoes, both sweet and white. Not the skins, either. No rice yet, nor fruit, because these symptoms escalate when including them in my diet. I have some positive side effects too, but concerned about the negative ones..Are they necessary/positive? Like my body adjusting to carbs or getting what it needs? Or do you think they're bad? Like symptoms being caused from candida?

    I've also read that going VLC allows the body to better detoxify itself, and thus the side effects of VLC, such as low thyroid and adrenal fatigue, are from the body detoxifying rather than just being malnourished..Any thoughts on this?

    Please, be concise and detailed in your experience. Details help me better relate to you and solve my issues.

    Thank you!

  • #2
    but I am dong
    Nice!


    No, man. I never stay low-carb for more than a few days on end. I'm lucky to have walked into this after the low-carb-every-day craze has subsided, and found out about the thyroid issues pretty early on.

    But have you tried increasing your greens instead of potatoes?
    Last edited by Knifegill; 03-28-2012, 01:21 PM.
    Crohn's, doing SCD

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    • #3
      I increased my potatoes, but I already eat a lot of greens. I eat lots of the cruciferous vegetables - broccoli, cauliflower, brussels sprouts. I also eat carrots, peppers, green peas and onions. I will try adding things like spinach and kale and see if they help. I hope I didn't damage my thyroid too much, I'm kind of scared now.

      I'm also going to try and add some organ meats into some stews, maybe it's an iron, copper and/or B12 deficiency.

      Thanks for your help Knifegill.

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      • #4
        Low carb doesn't destroy your thyroid. Relax. It's a natural thing for your thyroid to down-regulate under caloric restriction, weight loss and prolonged low carb diets. It'll bounce back.

        Here's what Dr. Rosedale says:

        I believe that Jaminet and most others misunderstand the physiologic response to low glucose, and the true meaning of low thyroid. Glucose scarcity (deficiency may be a misnomer) elicits an evolutionary response to perceived low fuel availability. This results in a shift in genetic expression to allow that organism to better survive the perceived famine. Intracellular antioxidant systems, heat shock proteins, DNA repair, autophagy, all tricks that nature has, are up-regulated to allow the organism to increase repair and maintain itself to remain healthy and alive. As part of this genetic expression, and as part and parcel of nature’s mechanism to allow the maintenance of health and actually reduce the rate of aging, certain events will take place as seen in caloric restricted animals. These include a reduction in serum glucose, insulin, leptin, and free T3.

        The reduction in free T3 is of great benefit, reducing temperature, metabolic damage and decreasing catabolism. TSH is not elevated. We are not talking about a hypothyroid condition. It is a purposeful reduction in thyroid activity to elicit health. Yes, reverse T3 is increased, as this is a normal, healthy, physiologic mechanism to reduce thyroid activity. It is not always a sign of malfunctioning thyroid as is frequently taught, but is instead one of the redundant ways that thyroid action is controlled. Reduced thyroid level in this regard is analogous to reduced fasting insulin that generally indicates improved insulin sensitivity, which also occurs in fasting and caloric restricted animals, and is also part and parcel of the benefits seen. Sometimes our complexity is indeed paradoxical.
        It may not feel optimal to stay low carb and have reduced thyroid activity but it's not harming you permanently or destroying your thyroid any more than it's destroying your pancreas.
        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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        • #5
          I will try adding things like spinach and kale and see if they help

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
            Low carb doesn't destroy your thyroid. Relax. It's a natural thing for your thyroid to down-regulate under caloric restriction, weight loss and prolonged low carb diets. It'll bounce back.

            Here's what Dr. Rosedale says:



            It may not feel optimal to stay low carb and have reduced thyroid activity but it's not harming you permanently or destroying your thyroid any more than it's destroying your pancreas.
            Thanks, for this. I find Rosedale's stuff interesting - may bit a lot of babble, but the nerd in me likes that stuff .
            If you have a problem with what you read: 1. Get a dictionary 2. Don't read it 3. Grow up 4. After 3, go back to 1/ or 2. -- Dennis Blue. | "I don't care about your opinion, only your analysis"- Professor Calabrese. | "Life is more important than _______" - Drew | I eat animals that eat vegetables -- Matt Millen, former NFL Linebacker. | "This country is built on sugar & shit that comes in a box marinated in gluten - abc123

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            • #7
              Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
              Low carb doesn't destroy your thyroid. Relax. It's a natural thing for your thyroid to down-regulate under caloric restriction, weight loss and prolonged low carb diets. It'll bounce back.

              Here's what Dr. Rosedale says:



              It may not feel optimal to stay low carb and have reduced thyroid activity but it's not harming you permanently or destroying your thyroid any more than it's destroying your pancreas.
              Thank you for the article, SBHikes. The article was enlightening on my issue, and has definitely helped to further understand what may be going on. But, is it normal to get these side effects I'm experiencing? Maybe it's been too long and my body has suffered from it, and therefore the symptoms I'm experiencing are necessary for my body to regain balance?

              I'm not a big fan of eating fruit, so getting my calories up may be a bit tough. I'll try incorporating 3 meals in my day, instead of two. And, I'll try to add more vegetables and oils into my diet.

              Thanks Hikes!

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              • #8
                Did you know our bodies have no need at all for carbs.

                None! Nada! Zilch!

                We can get all the fuel we need for the ol' bod from protein and fat, and the brain actually is more efficient when burning ketones. So why bother to a them back if you are happy with VLC? We have ALL been hornswoggled by 50 years of thou must eateth of the carbs.

                There are lots of research papers to support this.

                J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2004; 1(2): 7–11.Metabolic Effects of the Very-Low-Carbohydrate Diets: Misunderstood "Villains" of Human Metabolism by Anssi H Manninen

                Letter to the Editor - American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 75, No. 5, 951-953, May 2002
                Is dietary carbohydrate essential for human nutrition?
                Eric C Westman (Department of Medicine Duke University Medical Center, Durham, NC

                How Many Carbohydrates Do You Need? by blogger Lyle McDonald
                Odille
                F 58 / 170cms / SW 131.5 kgs / Current 112.4/ GW 65
                following Primal Lifestyle and swimming my way to health

                My Primal Blog / Photo Blog / RedBubble shop / My Calendars / My Facebook

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                • #9
                  Analog6, I agree with most of it. But, it's a matter of where you get your carbohydrates, too. It's true we don't necessarily need grains, legumes, and starches (to a degree, on starches). There is some debate, whether or not we need vegetables, too. However, it wouldn't hurt to include some plants (sources of Carbohydrates, too); and fruits.
                  If you have a problem with what you read: 1. Get a dictionary 2. Don't read it 3. Grow up 4. After 3, go back to 1/ or 2. -- Dennis Blue. | "I don't care about your opinion, only your analysis"- Professor Calabrese. | "Life is more important than _______" - Drew | I eat animals that eat vegetables -- Matt Millen, former NFL Linebacker. | "This country is built on sugar & shit that comes in a box marinated in gluten - abc123

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                  • #10
                    I normally do, I like veges, but it I find it interesting that really, we don't need them. No doctor will tell you it is not necessary to eat them, I bet!

                    That said, it would be pretty dull at dinner time (IMHO) without veges.
                    Odille
                    F 58 / 170cms / SW 131.5 kgs / Current 112.4/ GW 65
                    following Primal Lifestyle and swimming my way to health

                    My Primal Blog / Photo Blog / RedBubble shop / My Calendars / My Facebook

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                    • #11
                      I remember a Robb Wolf podcast, where he addressed this question. His advice was to increase carbs by 10gm increments each 3 or 4 days. I'm afraid I cant recall the specific mechanics of the problem of too fast a re-introduction.
                      On an n=1 level,a couple of months ago I was keto for a while and my wife served up a dish on a large bed of mashed sweet potato, and I experienced most of those same symptoms.
                      "Continue being a man and you will be excellent. Pussy will rain from the sky. " - Legbiter
                      Couldn't resist immortalizing this quote.

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                      • #12
                        I do think our guts may take some time to adjust to the carbs again, in whatever form they may be. I know I've read that you've had gut issues and trust me, I know all about that. I'm definitely going through an adjustment period since beginning to add them in, and I know for sure now that in my case the biggest culprits are FODMAP foods - without a doubt. I definitely have an issue with fructose, and I now realize that I have for a long time - unfortunately, I attributed it to other things.

                        The great news is that there ARE plenty of great carbs that I DO tolerate - pumpkin, sweet potatoes and plantains so far. I'll be happy as a little clam even if I can't add anything beyond those - they have really improved the way I feel at this point. The pureed pumpkin was the easiest to introduce and actually helped with my digestion after initially causing a "jump start" in the form of rumbles, etc., and the others are definitely making themselves known in my digestive tract, but I can see the reaction easing up as I continue to eat them. A little bit of bloat and some rumbles at first, but sometimes that's a good thing and turns out to be an improvement in sluggish digestion and movement within the pipes.

                        Look into FODMAPS friendly foods at some point in your experiment - especially if you find that onions and fruit give you big troubles. Onions and garlic cause big problems for many, believe it or not. Big bummer for those of us who would give up a limb to be able to eat Mexican food regularly.

                        I hope things settle down for you so that you're able to tolerate some of what you're wanting to add!
                        Life is not a matter of having good cards, but of playing a poor hand well.

                        - Robert Louis Stevenson

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GoJenGo View Post
                          I do think our guts may take some time to adjust to the carbs again, in whatever form they may be. I know I've read that you've had gut issues and trust me, I know all about that. I'm definitely going through an adjustment period since beginning to add them in, and I know for sure now that in my case the biggest culprits are FODMAP foods - without a doubt. I definitely have an issue with fructose, and I now realize that I have for a long time - unfortunately, I attributed it to other things.

                          The great news is that there ARE plenty of great carbs that I DO tolerate - pumpkin, sweet potatoes and plantains so far. I'll be happy as a little clam even if I can't add anything beyond those - they have really improved the way I feel at this point. The pureed pumpkin was the easiest to introduce and actually helped with my digestion after initially causing a "jump start" in the form of rumbles, etc., and the others are definitely making themselves known in my digestive tract, but I can see the reaction easing up as I continue to eat them. A little bit of bloat and some rumbles at first, but sometimes that's a good thing and turns out to be an improvement in sluggish digestion and movement within the pipes.

                          Look into FODMAPS friendly foods at some point in your experiment - especially if you find that onions and fruit give you big troubles. Onions and garlic cause big problems for many, believe it or not. Big bummer for those of us who would give up a limb to be able to eat Mexican food regularly.

                          I hope things settle down for you so that you're able to tolerate some of what you're wanting to add!
                          Thanks Jen! I was actually thinking about adding pumpkin into my diet, on top of sweet potatoes, carrots and white potatoes. If I continue to get these symptoms for another month or so I think I'll just go back to VLC, because I'm just not sure if it's candida or me adjusting. Maybe I'll take some anti-fungals to see if I get any side effects. If I do get side effects, then it has to be candida or something related to an infection. Have you ever dealt with candida issues?

                          I'll also look into FOODMAPS. I used to eat lots of garlic, usually steaming at least 10-12 cloves with diner and eat em just like popcorn! But, those things give you gas!! Haha. After taking them out I've been feeling a bit better. One food I have trouble tolerating is tomatoes, and some people say it's because it's a nightshade. I don't know if I believe in that though.

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                          • #14
                            Sweet potatoes are better then white potatoes, also start adding them back slowly. Go with root veggies fruit/sweet potatoes.
                            Primal since March 2011

                            Female/29 years old/5' 1"/130ish lbs

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Zelli88 View Post
                              detoxifying
                              You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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