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    I embraced the Primal philosophy with the exception of wine: I like it too much and, in my world, no meal is a true meal without at least couple of glasses.
    I gave up beer.
    I don't care about spirits.
    I limited my wine to weekends only... But Friday night, Saturday night and Sunday night I WILL drink wine (at least 1/2 bottle).
    I REALLY enjoy sharing a nice bottle of wine with my girlfriend: giving that up would lower the quality of my life to an unacceptable level. I will NOT do that.
    Besides all the above, I am blessed by the fact that I don't like dessert, ice cream, gelato or anything sweet.
    I initially had a hard time giving up bread, but I have been two weeks completely bread-free and I am just fine. i don't care about pasta or any other carbs. I don't add sugar, cream or any sweet "additives" to my coffee or tea, and/or any other beverage or food.
    All that being said my question is: how can I effectively integrate my unyielding resolution to never ever give up wine with the Primal philosophy?
    Yesterday was friday; let me give you an overview of my food and beverage intake.
    Breakfast: 2 eggs omelette with spinach and cheese, espresso, one glass of freshly squeezed oranges (two oranges)
    Lunch: as much as I hated it, unexpected contingencies forced me to skip lunch. Normally I would have a carbs free meal (i.e. grilled chicken with broccoli or green beans, etc) I also drank 2 cups of unsweetened coffee throughout the day.
    Dinner: 20oz Bone-in Rib-eye steak (once removed the bone and the fat areas the actual amount of red meat must have been about 14oz tops) + one serving of spinach (with olive oil and lemon juice) + 1/2 bottle (maybe a little more... i cheated on my girlfriend in terms of pouring "equally" :-) of top notch Cabernet Sauvignon from Napa Valley.
    Is that REALLY bad???
    I feel like I have no problems with the primal mentality (and I'm losing about 6 lbs/week). I'd rather COMPLETELY skip all other carbs (sugars, bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, etc.) than skipping wine... Would such approach be compatible?

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    It's your choice to drink wine and if you enjoy it, why feel guilty? It may or may not cause you consequences- you alone can decide if say, slower weight loss or cravings or some extra aches and pains are worth it. I eat chocolate every day- its my wine. I could choose not to eat and maybe lose weight faster- but I enjoy it.

    I don't know that you can eat to negate the consequences of the wine- you know- it sounds like you eat clean. If you slid into I'm gonna have some of this bread too, and the chocolate mousse, and the doughnut...and I'm gonna do it again tomorrow, and add in a bagel... that is when you slide down the slope.

    I feel like we should enjoy food and for some of us (and I think you fall in this category) if eating is not a pleasure, you won't stay close to primal anyway. We might not get the optimum health benefits, but we are still better than before.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by AlexBro View Post
      I embraced the Primal philosophy with the exception of wine: I like it too much and, in my world, no meal is a true meal without at least couple of glasses.
      I gave up beer.
      I don't care about spirits.
      I limited my wine to weekends only... But Friday night, Saturday night and Sunday night I WILL drink wine (at least 1/2 bottle).
      I REALLY enjoy sharing a nice bottle of wine with my girlfriend: giving that up would lower the quality of my life to an unacceptable level. I will NOT do that.
      Besides all the above, I am blessed by the fact that I don't like dessert, ice cream, gelato or anything sweet.
      I initially had a hard time giving up bread, but I have been two weeks completely bread-free and I am just fine. i don't care about pasta or any other carbs. I don't add sugar, cream or any sweet "additives" to my coffee or tea, and/or any other beverage or food.
      All that being said my question is: how can I effectively integrate my unyielding resolution to never ever give up wine with the Primal philosophy?
      Yesterday was friday; let me give you an overview of my food and beverage intake.
      Breakfast: 2 eggs omelette with spinach and cheese, espresso, one glass of freshly squeezed oranges (two oranges)
      Lunch: as much as I hated it, unexpected contingencies forced me to skip lunch. Normally I would have a carbs free meal (i.e. grilled chicken with broccoli or green beans, etc) I also drank 2 cups of unsweetened coffee throughout the day.
      Dinner: 20oz Bone-in Rib-eye steak (once removed the bone and the fat areas the actual amount of red meat must have been about 14oz tops) + one serving of spinach (with olive oil and lemon juice) + 1/2 bottle (maybe a little more... i cheated on my girlfriend in terms of pouring "equally" :-) of top notch Cabernet Sauvignon from Napa Valley.
      Is that REALLY bad???
      I feel like I have no problems with the primal mentality (and I'm losing about 6 lbs/week). I'd rather COMPLETELY skip all other carbs (sugars, bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, etc.) than skipping wine... Would such approach be compatible?
      Your lunch would have had carbs in the veggies, had you had it.. there are carbs in the veggies, fruits and dairy products we consume.. you would have had no GRAINS OR FLOURS OR MAN MADE SUGARS ETC... not carbs.. more people need to understand this.. WE DO EAT CARBS.. not grains or white flour products or nasty sweeteners, additives, etc etc etc
      and remember marks 80/20 philosphy (or any philosophy that is in favor of moderation and balance)..
      If you are primal 80 percent then you have the OPTION of a non primal 20 percent.. I would think your wine is more than acceptable.. you have relegated it to the weekends, you drink in moderation and it plays a vital part for you, in your quality of life.. it enhances the moment, it does not dictate your life.
      Female 5'5", Feb. 29, 2012 SW 208, GW 160
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      • #4
        No one says you have to. I haven't given up wine, cider, beer or spirits.

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        • #5


          Animals love eating fermenting and rotting fruit and getting plastered off it. I think occasional alcohol consumption is fine, and I like a glass of wine or whiskey as much as the next guy. Moderation is important though, so keep that in mind.
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          • #6
            I see NOTHING wrong with a couple of glasses of wine, except for raising blood sugar, some. I wont' have it regularly, but I prefer wine/hard liquor, to beer nowadays.
            If you have a problem with what you read: 1. Get a dictionary 2. Don't read it 3. Grow up 4. After 3, go back to 1/ or 2. -- Dennis Blue. | "I don't care about your opinion, only your analysis"- Professor Calabrese. | "Life is more important than _______" - Drew | I eat animals that eat vegetables -- Matt Millen, former NFL Linebacker. | "This country is built on sugar & shit that comes in a box marinated in gluten - abc123

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            • #7
              mark's pretty open about drinking red wine. who told you you couldn't have it? i wouldn't sweat a couple of glasses. don't drink every day though, your liver likes a rest. and if it's the carbs that are a concern, please...

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              • #8
                Life with no wine, chocolate, and cheese is NO life indeed!
                “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” Rumi

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                • #9
                  high five! but why can't they make stevia chocolates?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jakey View Post
                    don't drink every day though, your liver likes a rest.
                    Pish..maybe don't get loaded every day, but nothing wrong with A glass everyday.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by janagram View Post
                      high five! but why can't they make stevia chocolates?
                      I've learned to like Lindt 90% dark, which has 3g of sugar in a 4 square serving. A typical serving is 1 or 2 squares for me, so the sugar is negligible. It's fun to jazz up with almond butter and sea salt!
                      “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” Rumi

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SophieScreams View Post
                        I've learned to like Lindt 90% dark, which has 3g of sugar in a 4 square serving. A typical serving is 1 or 2 squares for me, so the sugar is negligible. It's fun to jazz up with almond butter and sea salt!
                        gotta try this...
                        If you have a problem with what you read: 1. Get a dictionary 2. Don't read it 3. Grow up 4. After 3, go back to 1/ or 2. -- Dennis Blue. | "I don't care about your opinion, only your analysis"- Professor Calabrese. | "Life is more important than _______" - Drew | I eat animals that eat vegetables -- Matt Millen, former NFL Linebacker. | "This country is built on sugar & shit that comes in a box marinated in gluten - abc123

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                        • #13
                          I refuse to give up beer.....I tried switching it out for wine or liquor, but fact is I love me a variety of microbrews. I never had a bad reaction to gluten even after 2 months complete avoidance so I figure beer with its low amount and fermented goodness isn't gonna be too detrimental on occasion. I like to think you can live healthy with a couple of caveats as long as all else is in order. I'm damn sure that many hunter gatherers drank and smoked. Plenty of proof for that. I'm not talking a pack a day OR a case a day though.

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                          • #14
                            Give up the wine you sissy, or leave the cult.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DarthFriendly View Post
                              Give up the wine you sissy, or leave the cult.
                              actually on second thought, darth is right. you have to give up your paleo decoder ring.

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