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    I wake up more and more tired every day, feel like i wnt to kill myself i'm so tired, my stomach is getting fatter, i feel more depressed and stressed, my anxiety is through the roof, the dark circles under my eyes are getting worse, i have stomach ache no matter what i eat even if i fast, i feel hopeless and miserable, is this diet a big scam? are you all lying about how good you feel??

    add more carbs add more fat add less fat add more iodine add a sweet potato its detox its candida die off it will get better after a few years of feeling like death add magnesisum add a ifferent probiotic add more protein its like a fucking tightrope, cant someone just tell me wy i feel this way and what i need to do to feel good? i quit drinking a while ago, i exercise most days i drink water i eat lots of fat and protein and vegeatbles and i still wake up feeling like i want to kill everyone in the world and then myself i cant take it anymore
    If man made it, don't eat it

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    Have you tried logging calories to see if you're eating enough?
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    • #3
      well this is what i dont understand because 1 im getting more belly fat so if i up my calories that will get worse, 2 people are saying you dont need to eat that many calories because the body takes it from your fat stores so you have an 'endless boundless energy'
      eating about 1600 - 2000 cals a day
      too much conflicting information on this diet, maybe the nhs website is right and saturated fat is bad for me and i do need to eat more grains?? Eat less saturated fat - Live Well - NHS Choices
      If man made it, don't eat it

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      • #4
        no, i don't lie about how good i feel when i stay off wheat. i take vitamins, fish oil & d3. i still have varying levels of depression and anxiety but they're much better than they used to be

        when i get stressed to the point i want to napalm people, i go someplace where i can breathe. either for a drive, outside or to bed. i try to keep finding things to laugh at when i'm in depressed mode, that helps. also, acting like a jackass around here is good for me too

        the dark eye circles sound like malnourishment, the bloating stomach sounds like cortisol from the stress. i poked around some of your started threads to see if you listed what you ate and it looked kind of low cal if i remember correctly, are you getting enough nutrients from your food? also are you keeping track of everything you eat to figure out what's causing the upset stomach?
        beautiful
        yeah you are

        Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
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        • #5
          It sounds like depression to me. People don't wake up wanting to kill everyone and then themselves unless something is very wrong. Depression causes extreme exhaustion as well. It may also be thyroid related. A faulty thyroid will leave you beyond exhausted, depressed and the inability to lose weight no matter what you do. In fact gaining weight is the norm. Whatever it is, it is NOT the carbs or the fat etc. Get checked out. I think you are in some way ill.

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          • #6
            Hi hungtingBears;

            I'm really sorry to hear you've been having such a rough time. It must be especially frustrating to do something to feel better and end up feeling worse.

            When I quit drinking and really cleaned up my diet I had distinct detox and felt very crappy for some months quite honestly. I had a coated tongue, circles under eyes, feeling of strong fatigue, intermittent depression, bloating, severe cravings for carbs due to cutting out alcohol (I ate lots of dried figs for awhile as a "step down" strategy).

            You said you quit drinking "awhile" ago which is so vague as to imply not very long. What is the quality of food you are eating? Are you frequently getting "primal" take out and / or buying limp veg and cheap mince from the corner store or seeking out good produce from local sources? Are you preparing simple but good quality meals in bulk and taking them with you or just grabbing something out or with friends? Are you sleeping or staying up / out late many nights? How are you coping with stress of school, money, etc.? What kind of exercise routine have you put in place?

            Please understand I don't mean this in a negative way-- just factor in everything instead of just thinking of types of food in--that's too reductionist a view. If this is incorrect, sorry, but it is something to put in the equation.

            It isn't just the food. Really. It is a paradigm shift about what you put in your body and how you relate to the world. I tried this last year and wasn't ready to change my lifestyle so I failed and so I tried to blame the diet. I started over again six months ago and now I am seeing success but I started out pretty sick due to my own choices in the past and it took some time and going through some tough healing. I had a lot of anger come up both at myself and the world. I did get some counseling briefly and found that of great help. Perhaps this would help you process some things--I have this idea that as the physical toxin was coming out, the mental stuff was coming out right along with it. I feel much lighter having released a lot of both.

            I hope primal living works out for you and you choose to really focus on the details even more, but you may need to step back for at least some time and think about your next step. We are here to enjoy life and not suffer. Sometimes modern living makes that simple truth hard to live. I spent much of my life working too hard, caring for others at the expense of myself, and feeling physically awful. I no longer do this. I meet my own needs, work less and play more, and feel pretty damn good. You will get there in your own time and we will be here to cheer you on.
            Last edited by missblue; 03-23-2012, 05:07 AM.

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            • #7
              Did the thoughts of suicide and killing others only start when you went primal? Is anything else going on in your life, like job loss or end of a relationship?

              Go back to a grain diet if you think it'll help, but I really think your main objective should be talking to your doctor about everything you've been experiencing.

              On a side note, getting rid of grains in my diet has tremendously improved my mood. It was only when I was downing artificial and sugary processed foods by the lb that I felt depressed.
              I'm retraining and strengthening my taste buds, one primal meal at a time.

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              • #8
                Just read the parts where you may be too restrictive with your diet. That's a good way to get super cranky. If there's one thing that Mark Sisson emphasized in his first book, it's that eating primally shouldn't be an obsession.
                I'm retraining and strengthening my taste buds, one primal meal at a time.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by huntingBears View Post
                  add more carbs add more fat add less fat add more iodine add a sweet potato its detox its candida die off it will get better after a few years of feeling like death add magnesisum add a ifferent probiotic add more protein
                  And this is why people say to ignore what's said on the forums when you first start, and just go by what's in the book.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Forever Young View Post
                    It sounds like depression to me. People don't wake up wanting to kill everyone and then themselves unless something is very wrong. Depression causes extreme exhaustion as well. It may also be thyroid related. A faulty thyroid will leave you beyond exhausted, depressed and the inability to lose weight no matter what you do. In fact gaining weight is the norm. Whatever it is, it is NOT the carbs or the fat etc. Get checked out. I think you are in some way ill.
                    I agree that you need to be checked out... This whole way of eating has been amazing for me, although I don't seem to be losing alot of weight which is why I started it.. I agree with another post, I still have some mood and "anxieties" but they are much more tolerable and manageable.. I don't have any "health" issues and am on no medications, but it definitely sounds like there is something going on with you.. you don't state age, weight or anything so I am also wondering is it a possibility you are pregnant??? (if you are female of course lol)...
                    Female 5'5", Feb. 29, 2012 SW 208, GW 160
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                    • #11
                      I have to agree with everyone. I think that it would be smart to get checked out. Meanwhile, make sure you are eating enough, and if you need to eat grains for a while, then do it. But it does sound like either thyroid or adrenals. Also, it sounds like you could be reacting to something. It may sound hokey, but if you found somebody like an ND or a chiropractor who could test you for sensitivities and things, that would be good. I have a lot of friends who have had success with one.

                      Personally, I have found that B Vitamins are great for boosting my energy. Also make sure that you do something for yourself if you aren't already. Get that cortisol down and feel the soul. I have suffered from depression for a good portion of my life, and my life is very stressful with two special needs kids, so I am with ya'. When you do see a doctor, make sure that if they check your thyroid that your TSH is at least a 3 or lower. A lot of doctors think that 4.000 + is A-OK, and it's not. Go to stopthethyroidmadness.com and see what you need to know. It's a great site. You have something going on or you have a really....and I mean REALLY bad detox situation going on. Which made me think....get some activated charcoal and take in between meals. Also epsom salt baths. If you are experiencing die off, those will help. If you just recently quit drinking and have cut out sugars and grains, you may be having nasty candida die off.

                      Anyway, sorry if that was very scattered. Lots of thoughts at once and early in the morning.

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                      • #12
                        You dont say how long you have been eating Paleo. Im about 9 weeks in and been very strict but I still feel exhausted a lot of the time, just as I did before. If your like me, it could be that you switched from a 'normal' diet to a Primal one too quickly and your body has gone into a kind of shock and is fighting back!
                        Im not giving in to it though, Ive come too far!
                        I'm not a complete idiot! There's parts missing!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Heidi View Post
                          Just read the parts where you may be too restrictive with your diet. That's a good way to get super cranky. If there's one thing that Mark Sisson emphasized in his first book, it's that eating primally shouldn't be an obsession.
                          OP: I agree about being too restrictive and it sounds like you are malnourished. There are several ways you could improve your micronutrient intake

                          - eat more superfoods
                          - track what you're eating on fitday or some other nutritional app to identify deficiencies
                          - start using a wide variety of PB recipes
                          F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                          • #14
                            I can't really say because I get depressed when I get concussions or eat wheat and sugar bombs, and then it's really noticeable.

                            I know it's a pain, but can you post what you normally eat, how much/quality of sleep, any supplements you're taking and if you've had any injuries. etc? That might give us some clue as to what's going on.
                            Durp.

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                            • #15
                              Stop micromanaging and just eat from the approved foods list. Stop reading forum speculation about gray areas. Do take vitamin D for mental and physical health. Do start doing some sort of exercise...at the minimum taking long walks. If you truly have ever indulged the thought of ending it all Do get help.

                              As far as feeling crummy it could be your other lifestyle factors, or the intense changes you have made. If you associate these changes mentally with lacking something then your going to have issues making it stick. The brain will have its dopamine. We are pleasure seeking creatures. Find a way to enjoy your new lifestyle. Many who overcome addiction have to replace their previous unhealthy derived pleasure response (cigs, alcohol...ect.) with a positive one (exercise, sports, mental stimulation, sex...). It helps.

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