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  • #16
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    Let's keep in mind that Grok and modern Groks know nothing about nutrients, mineral, vitamins. No lab tests, liver vs. brain, ya know? Sometimes we give 21st century seeing to situations that never existed.


    They probably ate most of the critter because to do otherwise would have been wasteful.

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    • #17
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      I have been thinking of going ZC, but i think i would miss my berries 3 times a week to much.


      It's interesting to know about the organs now, even though when i think about it, i kinda feel sick, wonder how i could cook them and be able to eat them.


      maybe blend them up with some muscle meat, and make rissoles of them :S i don't know. but i think ill have to investigate.

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      • #18
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        I agree with OnTheBayou. It's quite possible that Grok simply preferred muscle meat (just as we do) and left the rest if not required.


        Stefansson lived with the Eskimo for many years, including at least one tribe that had never before met a 'white man':
        [quote]

        Stefansson also rejected the second proviso (more than he did the first one) that they ate the entire animal. Both Eskimo and northern forest Indians, and whites who live with them have a clear mental picture of the animal they butcher. They divide the carcass then or later so that certain parts go uniformly to the dog team, the rest to the family. These divisions of the carcass vary from one animal to another but do not vary within the species unless slightly by season. The liver is nearly always given to the dogs as are the sweetbreads and all things in the body cavity except the heart and kidneys. The kidneys were given to the children somewhat as if they were candy. The only time the forest Indians and the Inuit of northern Alaska and northwestern Canada ate the whole animal was only under the conditions of famine. When they ceased to give the dogs the parts that they normally got, it was also time to kill the dogs themselves and eat them too.
        </blockquote>


        http://blog.zeroinginonhealth.com/?p=397


        Doesn&#39;t seem to be any merit to the myth that Eskimos ate the entire animal. Like us, they preferred muscle meat.


        I&#39;m sure you can eat organs (and you should probably eat them when you feel like it), but I&#39;m not so sure they are &#39;vital&#39; on a carnivorous diet.


        I&#39;m much more inclined to believe that it is a CW myth that you &#39;need to eat the whole animal&#39;, used to deter people from going carnivorous (by trying to scare them).

        The "Seven Deadly Sins"

        Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . . Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
        Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
        Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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        • #19
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          I go Carnivore occasionally, and it seems especially comfortable to do so during the winter months. I find I do pretty well on a meat & eggs diet.

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          • #20
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            In Elizabeth Marshall Thomas&#39; account of the !Kung bushmen (THE OLD WAY) she notes that hunters immediately divide the body of the animal so that the 3 or 4 hunters in the party can carry it back to the community...except that they immediately ate the liver in order to restore their strength.


            Sooze

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            • #21
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              Based on your level of activity and your goals ZC may be a short term answer. But if you want to be healty you need to exercise daily. 500-1000 calories spent in physical effort is something ok if you dont want to be a pro but to stay healthy.


              This cant be done neither on ZC or VLC. Count your metabolic needs, add your exercising and you will get at about 3000 calories a day needs.


              for every gram of carb you can get 4 calories.


              Then thinking at good ratio for intakes, you do the math.


              How many do you need? There is no universal answer, but a personal need that needs to be adjusted with the goals... you wanna loose some weight? Cool, but make sure you loose the right weight!!! If you loose muscle, you are going the yoyo path.

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              • #22
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                MichaelA, look, I don&#39;t want to run you off, but here and on other threads you are expressing ideas that are pretty much CW (Conventional Wisdom) and not PB.


                While sometimes it&#39;s hard to break out how many calories are used in exercise and used in sedentary activities, PB definitely does not look at things the way you do. Other than lots of walking, most H-G societies don&#39;t spend much time on the treadmill, ya know?


                With adequate protein, no one loses muscle weight on a diet. That&#39;s old housewive&#39;s, CW stuff.


                Welcome to the forum, but PLEASE read all the material that is on the front page under Primal 101. If you decide it doesn&#39;t make sense or you don&#39;t want to do it, that&#39;s fine. "What works for you" is a sort of mantra here, but we won&#39;t be convinced that CW is good for us.


                Man, do I sound religious or what?

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                • #23
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                  Going carnivore for fat loss is a good idea, excellent available protein and fat! Coupled with some brief resistance training or HIIT (sprints, etc) and proper rest, you will set up the proper hormonal cascade to burn your stored fat, and build/repair and spare muscle.


                  Ground meat can certainly be complete nutrition! Cook it through to avoid bacterial contaminations. You could add liver (chicken or beef), bone broths, etc to the mix as you see fit.

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                  • #24
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                    @Bayou: I&#39;ve read the Primal101, no worries. But on the prairies I live on, getting your meat involves running. Alot of it, fast and for a long time. And it works for me. And what is considered Cardio for the regular guy, is regular routine for a trained one. What If I tell you that I bike at 25 mph and I have 90 bpm hearthrate? Is that cardio or not? When You do that daily, it&#39;s not. It&#39;s a matter of relativity. For me, cardio is at 150 bpm and that happens on a over 7% hill. Here and there. Consider those my sprints.


                    Same thing happens when I need to run away from something. The guy on the back is hungry and highly motivated. So again I need to be fast and for a long time.


                    You are on my case since I asked the Q regarding the Fish Oils Capsules vs. Sardines on which all your answers were completely off topic.

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                    • #25
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                      @michaela

                      i think the issue was about your answer to the op where your answer was based on calorie-is-a-calorie mantra. the PB relies on epigenetics and endocrinology.

                      challenge yourself
                      i blog here http://theprimalwoman.blogspot.com/

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                      • #26
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                        Thanks to everyone for the answers!


                        Today I saw chicken liver in the supermarket, it&#39;s not organic though but I live in Austria, so I guess non organic is not THAT big of an issue. Moreover, to my suprise, it&#39;s super cheap. How many livers (they&#39;re quite small) should one eat at a time to avoid overdosing?


                        Concerning training: I had no problems with working out 2 times a day on Primal Blueprint and PaNu, but I haven&#39;t heard of anybody doing lots of exercise on ZC, hope performance doesn&#39;t suffer too much...

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                        • #27
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                          im close to ZC, crossfit, lift and sprint 4-5 x a week. performance continues to go up

                          challenge yourself
                          i blog here http://theprimalwoman.blogspot.com/

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