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  • Originally posted by otzi View Post
    How cool was that? A visit from the Godfather of Cold himself!
    Anyone notice this advice differs a bit from Dr. Kruse? Here, Ray Cronise says 'cold drives hunger' where Jack says 'cold kills hunger'. Well, in my experience, while I'm in the cold, I have absolutely zero hunger. When I warm back up, the hunger comes back with a vengeance. Does anyone else have the same feeling? I have been at the eating game for a while so I usually don't fall victim to the urge to pig-out, maybe right after a CT session would be the perfect time for that Big Ass Salad we're supposed to eat.
    Otzi
    I've noticed I'm not hungry while doing CT or when I'm in a cold environment...but I also have noticed sometimes after my CT session, especially if I do a HIIT - I am hungry - where other times I don't get hungry...guess it just depends on when you do your CT Session and when you last ate, and how long the CT Session was...
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    • Originally posted by swift View Post
      I read Ray's blog and have learned quite a lot from him. I find the whole subject of metabolic changes due to temperature very interesting. I note that research into this is getting to be more accessible, such as this article:
      Brown Fat and Weight Loss - The Future of Fat - Popular Mechanics

      I also think that Dr. Kruse has a beneficial prescriptive approach for the use of cold for optimizing health. It is reassuring that this blog reflects the acceptance of his theories and a willingness to self-experiment. I certainly appreciate all I have read here.
      That was an awesome article you linked. Here is a quote from it, notice any recurring themes?:
      "
      Until a pill becomes available, there are ways for people to rev up their brown fat activity. "I don't think you could get a lot of people to put up with [cold] therapy," Enerbäck says, but it could help to turn down your home's central heating and to spend some time outside in the fall and winter. Studies suggest that people who work outdoors have higher brown fat activity than average, so it's not absurd to think that walking to work on a brisk day could boost your metabolism.

      As scientists continue to study fat in a new light—as an important organ in the body's endocrine system—they are bound to find more opportunities. For example, a study published in July by Paul MacLean and his colleagues at the University of Colorado at Denver revealed new insight into exercise and weight loss: Physical activity reduces weight by increasing the brain's sensitivity to appetite-suppressing hormones like leptin and insulin more so than by burning calories. According to MacLean, it may make the brain "more receptive to what the leptin and insulin are trying to say."

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      • I do mine about 30 minutes after dinner, and stay in for about 30 minutes (now soaking in 42f water).

        There's no post-CT exercise, no post-CT eating, and I leave myself a few hours after CT before going to bed.

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        • Originally posted by otzi View Post
          How cool was that? A visit from the Godfather of Cold himself!
          Anyone notice this advice differs a bit from Dr. Kruse? Here, Ray Cronise says 'cold drives hunger' where Jack says 'cold kills hunger'. Well, in my experience, while I'm in the cold, I have absolutely zero hunger. When I warm back up, the hunger comes back with a vengeance. Does anyone else have the same feeling? I have been at the eating game for a while so I usually don't fall victim to the urge to pig-out, maybe right after a CT session would be the perfect time for that Big Ass Salad we're supposed to eat.
          Very cool! Pardon the pun.

          I've noticed one major difference in my eating habits since starting CT. I wake up in the mornings ravenously hungry... most unusual for me, since my entire life I've almost nearly always skipped breakfast.

          What an amazing learning curve this is! And, I'm really surprised at how I look forward to it.

          One question I still have though...

          shouldnt we be using CT to imitate winter? In other words, should it only be something we do for a 'season' rather than all year round?
          SW: 68 kg. * CW: 61.5 kg. * GW: 60 kg or less...
          “Your work is to discover your work and then with all your heart to give yourself to it.” ~ Buddha

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          • Originally posted by thaijinx View Post
            Very cool! Pardon the pun.

            I've noticed one major difference in my eating habits since starting CT. I wake up in the mornings ravenously hungry... most unusual for me, since my entire life I've almost nearly always skipped breakfast.

            What an amazing learning curve this is! And, I'm really surprised at how I look forward to it.

            One question I still have though...

            shouldnt we be using CT to imitate winter? In other words, should it only be something we do for a 'season' rather than all year round?
            personal opinion.

            if you are in range of a healthy BMI (+15%) follow the seaons.
            If not CT till you are
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            • Originally posted by thaijinx View Post
              Very cool! Pardon the pun.

              I've noticed one major difference in my eating habits since starting CT. I wake up in the mornings ravenously hungry... most unusual for me, since my entire life I've almost nearly always skipped breakfast.

              What an amazing learning curve this is! And, I'm really surprised at how I look forward to it.

              One question I still have though...

              shouldnt we be using CT to imitate winter? In other words, should it only be something we do for a 'season' rather than all year round?
              It depends on what you're trying to do... me I'm trying to reverse some serious damage from inflammation to my arteries (I'm 38yo - and my arteries have an age of 51!) weight loss would be nice too- but my focus is the reduction of inflammation...which will extend life
              The most depraved type of human being is the man without a purpose. ~ Ayn Rand
              What's your purpose? Mine is Optimal Health.

              Converted to PB November 2010
              SW 190lb
              Leptin Reset Redux (1Sep 2011) SW 170lbs
              25 Sep 2011 160lbs
              1 Dec 2011 158lbs!
              GW ~135lbs
              5'3"
              Mother of 2, and wife to a kick ass husband...trying to contain chaos and havoc on a daily basis

              My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread40609.html

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              • Originally posted by thaijinx View Post
                Very cool! Pardon the pun.

                I've noticed one major difference in my eating habits since starting CT. I wake up in the mornings ravenously hungry... most unusual for me, since my entire life I've almost nearly always skipped breakfast.

                What an amazing learning curve this is! And, I'm really surprised at how I look forward to it.

                One question I still have though...

                shouldnt we be using CT to imitate winter? In other words, should it only be something we do for a 'season' rather than all year round?
                If you need to lose a lot of weight or reverse an illness, than you can do extended CT and eventually switch to seasonal, which is what Dr. Kruse does (though he's extending his CT through summer this year for an N=1).
                http://www.prettyinprimal.blogspot.com

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                • I re-read Jack Kruse over and over again. He makes sense and bases all his advice on personal experimentation and the results he achieves applying his scientific knowledge in his neurosurgical practice. He is at the cutting edge and is a great man. Ignore and ridicule him at your peril.

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                  • Originally posted by John Nugent View Post
                    I re-read Jack Kruse over and over again. He makes sense and bases all his advice on personal experimentation and the results he achieves applying his scientific knowledge in his neurosurgical practice. He is at the cutting edge and is a great man. Ignore and ridicule him at your peril.

                    This we dont need LOL


                    Jack is smart and he brings stuff to light, but he will be the first to say challange everyone and everything who talks to you.

                    Dont worship him, he already "knows" he is right" and his head needs to be able to fit on an airplane.
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                    • Originally posted by jammies View Post
                      I want to try this, but I find the reading really tough to get through. Do I really just start by plunging my face in to a bowl of cold water once a day? What benefits am I supposed to see from this? What time of the day?

                      I've tried finishing my showers with cool water for a few days. Is that supposed to do anything?
                      I don't think the face-plunge is mandatory, especially if you live somewhere cold to begin with. It is supposed to help get your body used to the cold, especially if you want to go for some hardcore ice-baths.

                      If you have a lot of weight to lose, anything you can do to make your environment colder will help increase your metabolism. Consider wearing no coat if it's cold where you are, turning your house thermostat down, drinking lots of ice water, and exposing yourself to cold water when showering.

                      Any time you are in temps colder than 72 degrees, your internal thermostat will increase it's metabolic rate, burning more calories. Water is more conductive than air and will cool you down faster. With prolonged exposure to cold, you will activate your brown fat which burns calories to keep you warm. I'm not guessing or making this up--it's real! Click on a couple links provided by me and others.

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                      • Now it makes sense why CT left me feeling hungry. I do it after dinner, then go to bed. Gives me 12 hours to burn white fat before my HAB.

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                        • Just started CT. I haven't posted much either. Has anyone noticed a drop in blood pressure?

                          I have high blood pressure due to weight/PCOS. For some reason, out of all of my issues, this one bothers me the most. Guess I just always thought only "old people" had high blood pressure. I am just starting to my eating habits under control.

                          The other night after CT for 60 mins. (80 degree water for now), my blood pressure was 115 over 79!! YAY! It typically runs 140-150 over 90-110. 24 hours later though, it climbed back up to its elevated state.

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                          • Originally posted by otzi View Post
                            In my own personal experience with CT, I live in Fairbanks, Alaska with 6 months of darkness and sub-zero temperatures at my disposal. This winter, I started doing work-outs in very cold temps wearing only shorts, shoes, gloves and hat. At first, I would shiver very easily and could not stand more than 5-10 minutes at zero or below. After several weeks, I can easily withstand 30-60 minutes at zero to -20. This helped me break through a plateau I'd hit last fall and my body radiates heat for hours afterwards. I have not tried ice baths or cool water swimming, but I have turned down my house thermostat and started taking cooler showers in the morning.

                            I have been measuring my skin surface temp with an infrared thermometer. At first, 5-10 minutes of exposure in 0 degree air would result in skin temp of 55-60 deg (measured on forearm). After 4 weeks, 30 minutes of exposure in 0 degree air results in skin temp of 75-80 deg. Skin temp in 75 degree air is approx 85-95 deg for comparison.

                            A physiological change has definitely occured to my metabolism.
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                            • Originally posted by wthiswrongwithme View Post
                              Just started CT. I haven't posted much either. Has anyone noticed a drop in blood pressure?

                              I have high blood pressure due to weight/PCOS. For some reason, out of all of my issues, this one bothers me the most. Guess I just always thought only "old people" had high blood pressure. I am just starting to my eating habits under control.

                              The other night after CT for 60 mins. (80 degree water for now), my blood pressure was 115 over 79!! YAY! It typically runs 140-150 over 90-110. 24 hours later though, it climbed back up to its elevated state.
                              I haven't measured my own BP (which runs a little low) but I notice that my heart rate definitely slows and I get very calm.
                              What happens is that cool baths trigger the parasympathetic nervous response, so elevated PB, heart rate and stress hormones will quickly drop. I'll bet you have sympathetic dominance going on in your brain that is contributing to your high PB.
                              A cool bath is a great time to do deep belly breathing to really amp up the parasympathetic response
                              http://www.prettyinprimal.blogspot.com

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                              • Originally posted by wthiswrongwithme View Post
                                Just started CT. I haven't posted much either. Has anyone noticed a drop in blood pressure?

                                I have high blood pressure due to weight/PCOS. For some reason, out of all of my issues, this one bothers me the most. Guess I just always thought only "old people" had high blood pressure. I am just starting to my eating habits under control.

                                The other night after CT for 60 mins. (80 degree water for now), my blood pressure was 115 over 79!! YAY! It typically runs 140-150 over 90-110. 24 hours later though, it climbed back up to its elevated state.
                                Oh yes, people have seen decreases in blood pressure. You have to also eat a paleo ketogenic diet with absolutely no grains of any kind and no sugar of any kind and you must limit fruit as it is also loaded with sugar If you marry the leaky gut prescription with the Leptin Prescription protocol and you CT...you have the best of all worlds.

                                Become a very knowledgeable student of Leaky gut and Leptin and CT...so much so that if you were to take a test on them you would ace them. Do not settle for a C or a B. Go for the A+ in your health.

                                How you approach this with your mindset will determine how successful you will be. Do it half assed and you will get exactly what you deserve.
                                Last edited by Dextery; 03-14-2012, 01:11 PM.

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