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  • #76
    Originally posted by otzi View Post
    I'd be leery of jumping right in if you have a compromised metabolism (lupus). Maybe if you get your diet right and lupus under control it would be an option.
    I have a compromised metabolism/autoimmune disease (Hashimoto's) and am finding it very beneficial It reduces inflammation big-time!
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    • #77
      Originally posted by otzi View Post
      It seems to me that CT is uber-paleo! What could be more primal than exposing your body to cold winter temperatures as we evolved in? Even dessert dwellers had to cope with cold nights. With our heated cars, warm clothes, temperature controlled house and workplace, we never experience what the uncoupling proteins and brown fat can do for us. This takes paleo to a new level if you ask me. Please read through this study and tell me what you think. It's an eye-opener! http://journals.cambridge.org/downlo...3d4e84592ebdd3
      My issue isn't with CT, it's the Hcg, antibiotics, and God only knows what Kruse comes up with next.

      CT is pretty paleo.

      Messiahs and drugs, not so much.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by Apex Predator View Post
        Just saw your sig. Regardless of whether it works or not, Kruse is not paleo. He is textbook transhumanism. It's not a value judgement, it's just a matter of accuracy.
        He doesn't even claim to be Paleo at this point. He would agree with your point completely

        Here's the thing: his writing can be difficult to decipher and grammar is NOT his forte, but those of us who interact with him on a regular basis here and on Facebook have gotten a lot more clarification on his views.
        Yes, he's in your face, but he also encourages lab testing and experimentation. So, you can pretty much assume that you only have a faint surface understanding of his concepts unless you've really had some back and forth with the guy!

        I see so many people criticizing (which is fine) and making assumptions based on outright misunderstanding/ignorance of his actual views (which is not fine). Case in point: I see people in the blogosphere calling him "very low carb" which is very inaccurate since he himself eats up to 300 gms of carbs around the Summer Solstice. They haven't bothered to ask him. Or, they take the Leptin Rx and assume it's a permanent way of eating.

        His recent interview w/ Sean Croxton last week is a lot easier to understand than his writing is and he comes across a lot more gentle and laid-back than in his writing style (here it is if anyone wants to listen: Cold Thermogenesis with Dr. Jack Kruse 03/08 by Underground Wellness | Blog Talk Radio).
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Apex Predator View Post
          My issue isn't with CT, it's the Hcg, antibiotics, and God only knows what Kruse comes up with next.

          CT is pretty paleo.

          Messiahs and drugs, not so much.
          LOL! If you'd read his recent stuff, you'd already know that there's no need for HCG w/ CT. Tsk, tsk. You sort of proved my point!

          PS- those of us that "follow" him question him to no end. We drive him nuts with it. We experiment. There are a couple of points that I don't totally agree with him on. I don't just blindly believe everything he's saying. I do my outside research.

          I see my fellow CT crazies as being a lot less brainwashed than, say, Matt Stone's followers, stuffing their faces with sugar and grains in order to "heal their metabolisms". To me that's so much more risky/dangerous than some old fashioned cold water, a few ice packs and traditional seasonal dietary cycling... this has a foundation in both history and science (and common sense!) It's truly not as complicated and high-tech as you seem to think it is.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by hazyjane View Post
            He doesn't even claim to be Paleo at this point. He would agree with your point completely

            Here's the thing: his writing can be difficult to decipher and grammar is NOT his forte, but those of us who interact with him on a regular basis here and on Facebook have gotten a lot more clarification on his views.
            Yes, he's in your face, but he also encourages lab testing and experimentation. So, you can pretty much assume that you only have a faint surface understanding of his concepts unless you've really had some back and forth with the guy!

            I see so many people criticizing (which is fine) and making assumptions based on outright misunderstanding/ignorance of his actual views (which is not fine). Case in point: I see people in the blogosphere calling him "very low carb" which is very inaccurate since he himself eats up to 300 gms of carbs around the Summer Solstice. They haven't bothered to ask him. Or, they take the Leptin Rx and assume it's a permanent way of eating.

            His recent interview w/ Sean Croxton last week is a lot easier to understand than his writing is and he comes across a lot more gentle and laid-back than in his writing style (here it is if anyone wants to listen: Cold Thermogenesis with Dr. Jack Kruse 03/08 by Underground Wellness | Blog Talk Radio).
            It also wasn't Kruse I was criticizing, it was Quelson(who's posts I generally like) for referring to Kruse as Paleo 3.1

            As I mentioned early, he is much more intelligible offline.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by hazyjane View Post
              LOL! If you'd read his recent stuff, you'd already know that there's no need for HCG w/ CT. Tsk, tsk. You sort of proved my point!

              PS- those of us that "follow" him question him to no end. We drive him nuts with it. We experiment. There are a couple of points that I don't totally agree with him on. I don't just blindly believe everything he's saying. I do my outside research.

              I see my fellow CT crazies as being a lot less brainwashed than, say, Matt Stone's followers, stuffing their faces with sugar and grains in order to "heal their metabolisms". To me that's so much more risky/dangerous than some old fashioned cold water, a few ice packs and traditional seasonal dietary cycling... this has a foundation in both history and science (and common sense!) It's truly not as complicated and high-tech as you seem to think it is.
              As I've always said, if his stuff helps people great.

              Just don't call it paleo.

              I wish he would give credit to the places he gets his info from though. For good or bad, he's an aggregator, and AFAIK, doesn't give much credit where it's due.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by otzi View Post
                Believe it or not, you may have stumbled onto something perfectly fine. There is an actual term "Non-shivering Thermogenesis". It may be better than shivering! Here is an excerpt from a study on NST: NON-SHIVERING THERMOGENESIS AND ITS THERMOREGULATORY SIGNIFICANCE - JANSK[] - 2008 - Biological Reviews - Wiley Online Library

                Summary
                1. Non-shivering thermogenesis (NST) is a heat-production mechanism participating in the chemical thermoregulation of mammals.

                2. NST is additional to shivering and takes place at temperatures close to the thermoneutral zone.

                3. NST occurs in newborn mammals and in those that hibernate. In some adult mammals it can be induced by adaptation to cold.

                4. In small mammals NST produces approximately the same amount of heat as shivering. It becomes less important with increasing body weight of the animals.

                5. NST is regulated by the hypothalamus and it is based predominantly on the calorigenic action of noradrenaline released from sympathetic nerve-endings.

                Participation of other calorigenic substances and of the specific dynamic action of food cannot be excluded.

                6. NST is localized mainly in skeletal muscles and in brown adipose tissue. Small amounts of NST may come from liver, intestine, heart and brain.

                7. The biochemical basis of the calorigenic action of noradrenaline has not yet been fully elucidated.
                Interesting - thanks!

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by otzi View Post
                  Found an even more awesome study! There is a chart showing the increase in metabolic rate as ambient temp goes down, I couldn't post the graph, but this is the legend just to get you excited... The whole sudy is at: http://journals.cambridge.org/downlo...39898b8d35813a

                  "Fig. 5. Cold-induced thermogenesis in man; the effect of ambient
                  temperature on metabolic rate in naked adult male subjects. Values
                  are means for five subjects; the BMR of each subject is set to 100.
                  The subjects increased their metabolism by cycling sufficiently on
                  an ergometer to avoid goose pimples or shivering. (Adapted after
                  Erikson et al.(13).)"
                  Thanks for posting this. Very interesting study! For some reason your link did not work for me, in case others have problem here is a working link:

                  Thermogenesis challenges the adipostat hypothesis for body-weight control
                  Last edited by mistigi; 03-13-2012, 01:06 PM.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Apex Predator View Post
                    It also wasn't Kruse I was criticizing, it was Quelson(who's posts I generally like) for referring to Kruse as Paleo 3.1

                    As I mentioned early, he is much more intelligible offline.
                    uhm My siggy is my siggy it isnt a reflection of me drinking koolaid.

                    Maybe i should just say

                    Grassfed Seafed Oil Slick Staying Frozen for preservation and doing as much HIIT as i can while trying to figure out how to drop this last 180 pounds
                    Optimum Health powered by Actualized Self-Knowledge.

                    Predator not Prey
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Apex Predator View Post
                      As I've always said, if his stuff helps people great.

                      Just don't call it paleo.

                      I wish he would give credit to the places he gets his info from though. For good or bad, he's an aggregator, and AFAIK, doesn't give much credit where it's due.
                      I guess all the cites included in his blog posts don't count as giving credit?

                      I don't think he makes any bones about synthesizing information, nor do I find this to be a problem. The application of this aggregated knowledge is where he shines (especially once you learn to read "Super-Ellipse Hyperbolic").

                      I could give a damn what pigeonhole you put him in, but I will say that his "path to optimal" requires that you START from a Paleo-centric foundation.

                      Oh, and Paleo/Primal as generally practiced here or on PH could also be described as transhumanistic, it's just coming at it from a different angle.
                      Last edited by Croak; 03-13-2012, 01:49 PM.

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                      • #86
                        While all of you argue over the greatness or lack there of, of the man who introduced many of us to this theory, I started my face dunks in my 52 degree tap water (oh the benefits of a well). Then I climbed into the shower and turned the temp down as I finished. We will see if I get any benefit, cold tolerence or weight loss.

                        LJ
                        Learning the intricacies of healthy eating and nourishing my body the right way.
                        I am not bald, that is a Vitamin D collector. Time to Grok and Roll!
                        Eased into a primal diet starting at Christmas 2011. Goal weight - 205 started: 240 pounds waist 40, now 227 pounds and waist 38 Summer 2012 - weight =215 and waist is actually still 39"
                        ljbprrfmof = LJ = Little John = John

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                        • #87
                          So I'm in my tub doing a CT and I'm freezing my butt off. Then it hit me my trunk isn't cold - which is where I spot CT in the am. It's my legs! Ok need to make more time for ct baths in the evening. I also threw in some Epsom salts for a little xtra boost! As I finish typing this I realize I'm no longer cold!!! Whoot
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                          • #88
                            Today I drove for over an hour with the heater off wearing just T-Shirt (and pants, perverts). Temp in truck was 23 degrees. Felt great. Now, 4 hours later I am radiating heat like crazy.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                              after clearing the estrogen flood i am back to two or three a days.

                              gotta clear the pipes no matter your gender
                              A couple of you have mentioned CT and hormones... which is what I'm particularly interested in, as I have a problem with estrogen dominance, extreemly painful periods and endometriosis. Can anyone say for sure that CT helps regulate hormones? Cause the last thing I need right now is an estrogen flood!!!!!
                              SW: 68 kg. * CW: 61.5 kg. * GW: 60 kg or less...
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by thaijinx View Post
                                A couple of you have mentioned CT and hormones... which is what I'm particularly interested in, as I have a problem with estrogen dominance, extreemly painful periods and endometriosis. Can anyone say for sure that CT helps regulate hormones? Cause the last thing I need right now is an estrogen flood!!!!!
                                One lady had her first non-painful period in her life after only ever having super painful ones, so something good was happening with her hormones and her inflammatory response. As far as an estrogen flood, taking DIM or Calcium D-Glucarate would help to bind and remove excess estrogens.

                                My last period came really early, so something is happening with my hormones. I had just started CT'ing maybe about a week?
                                I'm waiting to see when this next one comes and if it's more comfortable than previous ones.
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