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  • Originally posted by otzi View Post
    I think there is great merit to what you are doing. Any temp below thermoneutral causes the body to ramp up heat production and increase calorie burn. Probably not a whole lot calorie wise, but if it's also increasing BAT stores it will eventually add up.

    My initial reason for going to extreme cold temps was that I live in Alaska near the arctic circle and run a river boat whenever the rivers are ice-free. I was raised on stories that you can't survive more than a few minutes in our cold waters and saw first-hand many people drown and die of hypothermia.

    I now know that with proper adaptation one can acclimate themselves to cold temperatures. The main reason for the drownings isn't the cold, it's the shock and panic. I have spent 45 minutes in water that is said to kill in 15! If my boat capsizes, I feel confident I could survive the coldest waters we have.

    As to the health benefits of cold, I think antiinflammation is best with the coldest water possible, but it isn't needed for cold thermogenesis to occur and impart it's BAT and UCP actions.

    Good luck and let us know how it works for you!
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/he...inds.html?_r=1

    This article says it's 250 calories over a 3 hour period, where the water used was 18 degrees celsius. So not that much for mild CT over a long period of time, but I bet that more hardcore CT would use more to stabilize the core temp. And, as you said, the effects would be multiplicative because with more BAT, fat usage would be less efficient during low-level activity (like long walks/light jogs) and the irisin exercise hormone would convert still more WAT to BAT. Pretty exciting. I wonder if it's possible to have too much BAT and too little WAT? Probably not, because the article said that BAT in average people is only a few ounces, but if they came out with an irisin pill... the possibilities are endless O.o

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    • Originally posted by Whitefox View Post
      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/he...inds.html?_r=1

      This article says it's 250 calories over a 3 hour period, where the water used was 18 degrees celsius. So not that much for mild CT over a long period of time, but I bet that more hardcore CT would use more to stabilize the core temp. And, as you said, the effects would be multiplicative because with more BAT, fat usage would be less efficient during low-level activity (like long walks/light jogs) and the irisin exercise hormone would convert still more WAT to BAT. Pretty exciting. I wonder if it's possible to have too much BAT and too little WAT? Probably not, because the article said that BAT in average people is only a few ounces, but if they came out with an irisin pill... the possibilities are endless O.o
      The last paragraph of that article says a lot: "As for deliberately making yourself cold if you want to lose weight, Dr. Carpentier said, “there is still a lot of research to do before this strategy can be exploited clinically and safely.”

      Trust me, this works as a weight loss tool, problem is, no one can figure out how to get rich off it. The liability would be huge if someone came out and recommended doing what I'm doing with extreme cold or even mild cold; if people started dropping dead of hypothermia or getting frost bite there'd be huge repercussions.

      I have a feeling this 'cold' movement will snowball in the next few years. People will be selling all kinds of 'safe' methods to get cold. Pills will be developed. Supplements will be touted as the best for BAT development.

      The other day, on my country radio station, they gave a teaser: "Lose weight this summer taking a cold bath, stay tuned to learn how!" I wasn't able to stay tuned, so don't know what they said, but I'll bet it wasn't free.

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      • Originally posted by otzi View Post
        I have a feeling this 'cold' movement will snowball in the next few years.
        30 lashes with a cold, wet noodle for that one!

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        • Years ago I read a great book called 'Survival of the Sickest', and in one of the chapters there was some discussion about why cold temperatures promote increased urination (ultimately, it's a defense against possible damage from water within cells freezing and bursting). I wonder is this is at least in part responsible for reduced inflammation after cold treatments - they signal the body to dump all the excess water that is hanging out where it shouldn't be...sorry for the oversimplification, I'm sure there's a much more scientific way to word that.

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          • oh its great

            I'm surprized, thanks!

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            • DH was thrilled One more reason for me to tell him to go take a cold shower
              65lbs gone and counting!!

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              • I just finished my 1st 7 days...
                Yesterday I took 3 showers. The 1st one was 90/10 cold, and the last 2 were 100% cold. Again this am I had a 100% cold shower. I can't believe how easy it has become. The anticipation of getting in still scares me just as much as before though.

                What differences do I see:
                My skin feels softer and tighter. Could be a coincidence. Also not as oily.
                I have always gotten a shaving rash on my neck area, about a day after shaving. Didn't have that at all this week.

                Not sure if any of the other men have noticed this (I apologize to the ladies if this is way too much info): my member has been hanging much lower than normal. Didn't check when he's at attention. But whenever I am undressed I am caught a little off guard by his prominence. The opposite is true during and after my shower (however I expected that).

                Not sure if I notice any changes in terms of how I'm carrying my fat (not my fatty). The wife and I had a date night and I consumed more food and drink than I have in a long long time. When I was getting into the shower this am, I was surprised when I looked in the mirror how lean my belly area looked. But, it was a hotel room, in a new bathroom with a different mirror and lighting than I am normally used to. So, that could explain that.
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                • I am day 2. Bath not shower. Again started warm but started cold much sooner this time. I was also able to wiggle lower and lower. I think a key thing for me, is not getting my hair wet.

                  No exercise today, and no yogurt, almonds, or banana. 1089 calories, 69c/67f/52protein. I was hungry at bedtime last night and when I woke up but stuck with my bp coffee & we didnt eat lunch until after 1. And as hungry as I was this morning, consumed even fewer calories today than yesterday. That is not a goal of mine, that is just how it worked out.

                  I forgot to time it again, but I know more than 30 and probably more like 40.
                  65lbs gone and counting!!

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                  • I am sure this is addressed somewhere, I have probably already read it, but as I sit here a little shivery and cold, do I just suck it up? Which is what I am doing, but I would really like to go crawl under an electric blanket... or take a nice hot bath I am guessing just stick it out to maximize benefits. No socks, no blankets, no hot tea.
                    65lbs gone and counting!!

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                    • It gets better. Just wait. I can't shiver anymore. Even after 20+ minutes of freezing. There's usually a window early on where it's hard to not just jump in bed and warm up.

                      I just started a fast, planning on going 24-hours, CT'ing in 50 degree and then continuing the fast for another 14 hours. 2 oz 100% cacao, 2 tbsp butter, 2 tbsp coconut oil and 2 tbsp of peanut butter with a sweet potato. Should last me until tomorrow night around this time.

                      Any other CT+fasting regulars?

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                      • Originally posted by KA24 View Post
                        There's usually a window early on where it's hard to not just jump in bed and warm up.
                        It has taken me about an hour to warm back up. I think I may still be cool to the touch, especially my feet, but now I am starting to get hot. I remember now, that happened last night also.
                        65lbs gone and counting!!

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                        • Originally posted by otzi View Post
                          I think anyone who is doing the cold baths needs to experience 32 degree water. Even if it's just standing in a bucket full of it. It is a world of difference from 60 degree water.
                          The other day I did my first face dunk. I was like “Damn that is cold!” I checked the temperature, and it was 39 degree water. The coldest I’d been in previously was a 69 cold bath. HUGE difference. Of course, regardless of temperature a face dunk is a pretty different thing than my baths, where I’m submerging everything BUT my face. Still, that was a huge difference.

                          Speaking of which, what is the recommended temperature for face dunks? And how many are you supposed to do? After the 4th or 5th one I started getting brain freeze and called it a day.

                          Originally posted by otzi View Post
                          Dead-on! I had to wean myself off the 32 degree water because it's so addicting. Definitely won't get bored and actually get a adrenalin rush just thinking about it. As the tub fills and the thermometer starts showing 30's, it's like standing on the edge of a bridge getting ready to bungee jump.
                          After my first face dunk, I was getting an adrenalin rush right before I’d do additional dunks, just in anticipation. That doesn’t happen with my 70 degree bath water. I was amazed how much more intense it was. I can’t imagine sticking my whole body in that!

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                          • Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior View Post
                            I just finished my 1st 7 days...
                            Yesterday I took 3 showers. The 1st one was 90/10 cold, and the last 2 were 100% cold. Again this am I had a 100% cold shower. I can't believe how easy it has become. The anticipation of getting in still scares me just as much as before though.

                            What differences do I see:
                            My skin feels softer and tighter. Could be a coincidence. Also not as oily.
                            I have always gotten a shaving rash on my neck area, about a day after shaving. Didn't have that at all this week.

                            Not sure if any of the other men have noticed this (I apologize to the ladies if this is way too much info): my member has been hanging much lower than normal. Didn't check when he's at attention. But whenever I am undressed I am caught a little off guard by his prominence. The opposite is true during and after my shower (however I expected that).

                            Not sure if I notice any changes in terms of how I'm carrying my fat (not my fatty). The wife and I had a date night and I consumed more food and drink than I have in a long long time. When I was getting into the shower this am, I was surprised when I looked in the mirror how lean my belly area looked. But, it was a hotel room, in a new bathroom with a different mirror and lighting than I am normally used to. So, that could explain that.
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                            • Yesterday I did my 2nd cold 'bath' - this time, way more ice. There were still some ice chunks floating at the end, which I take to mean that it was pretty cold (my thermometer is acting a little loopy, I don't think it's accurate, so I'm not sure exactly what the temp was). I stayed in for 25 minutes, again just the bottom half of my body, up to my waist. Interestingly, this second colder soak was easier than the first - I only had the drive to shiver for the first few minutes, then it passed, and the top part of my body didn't feel as cold as it had the day before. It was actually pretty exciting to see myself submerged in ice water, just chillin', not freaked out by the cold.

                              It does seem to take me a really long time to warm up - no shivering, but my skin is VERY cold to the touch for hours afterward, and my feet seem to never warm up. However, after a few minutes of getting under the blankets in bed, my normal corpse-cold body is a raging inferno, it feels great!

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                              • Originally posted by Style View Post
                                The other day I did my first face dunk. I was like “Damn that is cold!” I checked the temperature, and it was 39 degree water. The coldest I’d been in previously was a 69 cold bath. HUGE difference. Of course, regardless of temperature a face dunk is a pretty different thing than my baths, where I’m submerging everything BUT my face. Still, that was a huge difference.

                                Speaking of which, what is the recommended temperature for face dunks? And how many are you supposed to do? After the 4th or 5th one I started getting brain freeze and called it a day.



                                After my first face dunk, I was getting an adrenalin rush right before I’d do additional dunks, just in anticipation. That doesn’t happen with my 70 degree bath water. I was amazed how much more intense it was. I can’t imagine sticking my whole body in that!
                                The face dunks are recommended at first to elicit the 'mammalian dive reflex'. This is built into all of us, like closing your eyes when you sneeze. Lots of physiological changes take place quickly with a face dunk.

                                from Mammalian diving reflex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                                This reflex is triggered by cold water contacting the face. It won’t happen if the water is warmer than 70 ° or with submersion of body parts other than the face.
                                Immediately upon facial contact with cold water, the heart rate slows down up to 25% and capillaries in the extremities start closing off.
                                When the face is submerged, receptors that are sensitive to cold within the nasal cavity and other areas of the face supplied by cranial nerve V (trigeminal) relay the information to the brain and then innervate cranial nerve X (the vagus nerve), which is part of the autonomic nervous system. This causes bradycardia and peripheral vasoconstriction. Blood is removed from the limbs and all organs but the heart and the brain, creating a heart–brain circuit and allowing the mammal to conserve oxygen.
                                In humans, the mammalian diving reflex is not induced when limbs are introduced to cold water. Mild bradycardia is caused by subjects holding their breath without submerging the face within water. When breathing with face submerged this causes a diving reflex which increases proportionally to decreasing water temperature. Activating the diving reflex with cold water can be used to treat supraventricular tachycardia. However the greatest bradycardia effect is induced when the subject is holding breath with face submerged.
                                Last edited by otzi; 06-04-2012, 08:42 AM.

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