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  • Originally posted by jsa23 View Post
    In the interest of being intellectually honest, it should be stated that while many elite athletes use ice baths post-workout, they do so to reduce the inflammatory impact of a heavy exercise regimen on their muscles/joints. This has nothing to do with CT.
    This is not in reference to athlete's ice baths. It's been suggested Armstrong may have done stationary bike workouts in a walk in cooler and that Phelps uses a very cool pool (I think it was something like 55 degrees) for his workouts.
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    • Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
      This is not in reference to athlete's ice baths. It's been suggested Armstrong may have done stationary bike workouts in a walk in cooler and that Phelps uses a very cool pool (I think it was something like 55 degrees) for his workouts.
      There's a lot of things to this beyond CT, particularly in Lance's case.

      When the body has to expend energy to cool itself down - which it inevitably will when running on a treadmill/on a stationary bike at room temperature, it's using bloodflow/energy that could be diverted to the muscles/cardiovascular system instead to keep itself cool. I can say with confidence that if I'm running, I'm at my fastest somewhere between 40 and 50 degrees F(colder than that and I don't breathe as well). Going at a temperature where the body isn't trying to cool itself under strenuous workout conditions will naturally focus the workout more on the muscles, making for a more focused workout.

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      • Originally posted by jsa23 View Post
        There's a lot of things to this beyond CT, particularly in Lance's case.

        When the body has to expend energy to cool itself down - which it inevitably will when running on a treadmill/on a stationary bike at room temperature, it's using bloodflow/energy that could be diverted to the muscles/cardiovascular system instead to keep itself cool. I can say with confidence that if I'm running, I'm at my fastest somewhere between 40 and 50 degrees F(colder than that and I don't breathe as well). Going at a temperature where the body isn't trying to cool itself under strenuous workout conditions will naturally focus the workout more on the muscles, making for a more focused workout.
        Good point, but doesn't this also just back up the ideas behind why adapting to cold is beneficial to us?
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        • Originally posted by primarilyprimal View Post
          To all those experiencing soreness after spot CT - basic question, but do you have something between the ice and the skin? If not it could be ice burns. But yeah, I am also slightly sore after spot sessions, and I have been doing it for about 2 weeks and it is getting gradually less sore after sessions.
          Compression tank for the first half (until the ice has warmed up.). Then nothing.
          My skin turns a nice pink, but never beyond that. And the cold is cold, but comfortable, not difficult or painful.

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          • Originally posted by HeyChelle View Post
            Anyone experience soreness after CT? My waist/love handle region is very sore today. Mainly I've been doing spot ct with ice all around my middle, plus ending all my showers with a good cold spray targeted at my middle. Only occasional baths.

            Otherwise, I have to say I'm loving CT, strangely enough. Definitely feeling that calmness and extra energy after a session. We'll see about weightless and reshaping, I guess. I'm really close to my ideal weight already, just need to improve composition.
            No soreness for me... but I agree with you about how strange it is to love CT! (I hate the cold, so I'm really surprised by it too!)
            SW: 68 kg. * CW: 61.5 kg. * GW: 60 kg or less...
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            • Originally posted by Dextery View Post
              It is obvious by your comments you have not bothered to read much of the CT series or you would not be asking these questions. Test your telomeres now and see how old you are in your DNA and then match that to your biological age. I would bet a small fortune that your telomere length age will be much higher than your biological age...meaning you will run out of stem cells far earlier than if you embrace the cold.
              Has anyone ever researched/tested the telomeres of Sherpas or Inuit? Are there any studies or anecdotal evidence to show that they really live longer than the average? I'm into CT, so not disputing it... but I seriously doubt these guys live noticeably longer.
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              • Originally posted by thaijinx View Post
                Has anyone ever researched/tested the telomeres of Sherpas or Inuit? Are there any studies or anecdotal evidence to show that they really live longer than the average? I'm into CT, so not disputing it... but I seriously doubt these guys live noticeably longer.
                I think this is a valid question, and one I'd love to see the answer to.

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                • Originally posted by thaijinx View Post
                  Has anyone ever researched/tested the telomeres of Sherpas or Inuit? Are there any studies or anecdotal evidence to show that they really live longer than the average? I'm into CT, so not disputing it... but I seriously doubt these guys live noticeably longer.
                  From what I've read no. If anything they have lower life spans. Sherpas also eat plenty of carbs.

                  The confusion comes from different calendars among other things.
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                  • I was thinking about this concept last night, and realized, wait, I've always worms shirts, no jacket or both much of the winter, and got fatter through much of that time, even when I lived in an unheated attic. Still interested in playing with it, but wanted to mention that for the record.
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                    • Originally posted by Apex Predator View Post
                      I was thinking about this concept last night, and realized, wait, I've always worms shirts, no jacket or both much of the winter, and got fatter through much of that time, even when I lived in an unheated attic. Still interested in playing with it, but wanted to mention that for the record.
                      Your n=1 might be quite different than anyone elses. The way I look at CT is this. I'm almost at my ideal weight, but still have some ongoing health issues that need some work. Other people are having success with CT, it costs me NO money to try it, and has no negative side effects. I'm searching for better health, so why not try it? So far, the results are better than those I have received by some of the crazy things doctors have wanted me to try. When I was first trying to track down the cause of my health issues, a cardio-pulmonologist decided I must be experiencing silent reflux and put me on heartburn meds. Worst. Decision. Ever! Good grief - that stuff actually GAVE me heartburn and reflux. Took me weeks to get it turned around.

                      Longer life? I believe in the Lord, my God and my Creator. My days are numbered by Him. But I get to choose how I live those days. I would much rather be an active participator in my life instead of living on the couch because I'm so sick and tired. I'm willing to try anything that might help me reach my goal (within reason, right?).

                      I don't have a bunch of links to offer you to convince you that this is the bomb-diggity. If you have reason to try it, then go for it. But if you are happy with your weight and health, then why bother? Your time is better spent elsewhere.

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                      • Originally posted by HeyChelle View Post
                        Your n=1 might be quite different than anyone elses. The way I look at CT is this. I'm almost at my ideal weight, but still have some ongoing health issues that need some work. Other people are having success with CT, it costs me NO money to try it, and has no negative side effects. I'm searching for better health, so why not try it? So far, the results are better than those I have received by some of the crazy things doctors have wanted me to try. When I was first trying to track down the cause of my health issues, a cardio-pulmonologist decided I must be experiencing silent reflux and put me on heartburn meds. Worst. Decision. Ever! Good grief - that stuff actually GAVE me heartburn and reflux. Took me weeks to get it turned around.

                        Longer life? I believe in the Lord, my God and my Creator. My days are numbered by Him. But I get to choose how I live those days. I would much rather be an active participator in my life instead of living on the couch because I'm so sick and tired. I'm willing to try anything that might help me reach my goal (within reason, right?).

                        I don't have a bunch of links to offer you to convince you that this is the bomb-diggity. If you have reason to try it, then go for it. But if you are happy with your weight and health, then why bother? Your time is better spent elsewhere.
                        I'm in here to know who to reccomend it to. I talk to people about health and weight all the time, and if this is a good strategy for them, I want to be able to reccomend it, just like I do primal and sometimes things like the leptin reset.
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                        • Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
                          So can I really just put an ice pack on the back of my neck? For how long?
                          I have heard, but haven't personally read, that the book "4 Hour Body" by Tim Ferris has a chapter devoted to ice packs on the neck. Maybe you should check that out.

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                          • Originally posted by otzi View Post
                            Anyone notice this advice differs a bit from Dr. Kruse? Here, Ray Cronise says 'cold drives hunger' where Jack says 'cold kills hunger'. Well, in my experience, while I'm in the cold, I have absolutely zero hunger. When I warm back up, the hunger comes back with a vengeance. Does anyone else have the same feeling? I have been at the eating game for a while so I usually don't fall victim to the urge to pig-out, maybe right after a CT session would be the perfect time for that Big Ass Salad we're supposed to eat.
                            Thanks, and to be be clear, mild cold stress exposure causes a deviation from your normal set point (hunger/satiety/heat (energy, not temperature). You will get a drive for hunger AFTER cold exposure, not during. In studies of cyclist, runners and swimmers, it was the swimmers that never had the urge to eat during the activity, but got hungry 2-4 hours later.

                            This is the body's natural response to a large dump of thermodynamic heat (stored energy not temperature) and it is the attempt to put you back to zero. As you gain weight, this set point changes and when you "diet" you have a deviation from your new "normal" (fat) and the body only knows that things have changed and it needs to put things back to normal - homeostasis controls by HPT axis. A simple example of these differences with respect to hot/cold can be found: here

                            so, my advice and experience seems to agree with any surfer/scuba diver you might talk to - they get ENORMOUSLY hungry after hours of mild cold stress. The same is true for completive swimmers.

                            The conclusion is that if you are going to do mild cold stress, 2-4 hour window AFTER exposure, eat a nutrient-dense, calorically restricted meal. Since most SAD salads are not nutritious, I would steer people away from that and into large stir fry of cuciferous vegetables: bok choy, broccoli, kale cauliflower, rapini, cabbage, watercress, radish and NOT spinach, romaine, etc... Don't load it up with oil, sauté with water.

                            my next post will deal with this in a little more detail when I discuss the gut as an endocrine organ.

                            Ray Cronise
                            Last edited by MrZZeroG; 03-15-2012, 10:00 AM.

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                            • CT is definitely interesting stuff. Have noticed that Ray Cronise doesn't seem to see the promise that Dr. Kruse does in it as a heal all. Dr. Kruse had mentioned once in a post that Ray Cronise and Tim Ferris didn't take it as far as he was which would explain the difference in degree of difficulty and perhaps results. Dr. Kruse could obviously be overselling or too optimistic but time will tell.

                              I see a bit of bashing on Dr. Kruse, and for me, I am going to wait to see the results of my own tests as well as others before judging. From the brown fat stuff there is definitely some promise to it and enough for me to do it. I am not overweight but see the benefits of getting the right type of fat in the body. Weather it will have the impact that Dr. Kruse forcasts only time will tell.

                              If Dr. Kruse is correct, we should start seeing folk with things like diabetes posting that they are cured as no two ways about it, he has said would be the outcome. We will then see Dr. Kruse on tv with patients who have been cured of said diseases and later accepting his Nobel Prize...If he's not correct, well...lol at all of us desperate enough to try this stuff and hopefully we'll at least get something out of the BAT/WAT fat stuff...
                              Last edited by joe2.0; 03-15-2012, 09:10 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by MrZZeroG View Post
                                Thanks, and to be be clear, mild cold stress exposure causes a deviation from your normal set point (hunger/satiety/heat (energy, not temperature). You will get a drive for hunger AFTER cold exposure, not during. In studies of cyclist, runners and swimmers, it was the swimmers that never had the urge to eat during the activity, but got hungry 2-4 hours later.

                                This is the body's natural response to a large dump of thermodynamic heat (stored energy not temperature) and it is the attempt to put you back to zero. As you gain weight, this set point changes and when you "diet" you have a deviation from your new "normal" (fat) and the body only knows that things have changed and it needs to put things back to normal - homeostasis controls by HPT axis. A simple example of these differences with respect to hot/cold can be found: here

                                so, my advice and experience seems to agree with any surfer/scuba diver you might talk to - they get ENORMOUSLY hungry after hours of mild cold stress. The same is true for completive swimmers.

                                The conclusion is that if you are going to do mild cold stress, 2-4 hour window AFTER exposure, eat a nutrient-dense, calorically restricted meal. Since most SAD salads are not nutritious, I would steer people away from that and into large stir fry of cuciferous vegetables: bok choy, broccoli, kale cauliflower, rapini, cabbage, watercress, radish and NOT spinach, romaine, etc... Don't load it up with oil, sauté with water.

                                my next post will deal with this in a little more detail when I discuss the gut as an exocrine organ.

                                Ray Cronise
                                I can remember when swimming competitively at the national level - after a morning training session in a cold outdoor pool in early may - I'd be ravenous by lunch time and easily put away 2-3cans of tuna, and veggies...

                                i've also noticed sometimes after a spot CT session - I'll be more hungry than I would if I haven't CT. Though when coupled w/exercise while CT (snowboarding in 10 degree weather for 6hrs) - the hunger held off to dinner around 630/7pm....
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