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    I'm embarrassed to admit this. I've been primal for over a year and half and have had great success. But I still eat wheat probably once per week.

    I'm looking to improve my health and energy even more and I'm wondering if the once a week wheat is a real problem. I do have autoimmune arthritis and lots of things provoke it, but I've never noticed a direct correlation between wheat and inflammation in the joint. I like my laid back version of primal, but I'm wondering if there is any truth to all the hype about wheat causing inflammation for weeks at time?

    Anyone have any experiences to share or convincing data?

    Thanks!!!
    Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

    http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

  • #2
    Probably not going to kill you. My problem with gluten is not that it's a non optimal food, just that it's SO addictive. As a personal thing, the "every now and then" approach doesn't work. Like sugar and coffee, if you go cold turkey, you will lose the taste for it. Other things will start tasting better. That's because sugar, coffee and gluten have been crowding them out. That's why they are addictive. Remember, gluten in the the form of bread is just another form of sugar. So, when you want bread or cake, it's the sugar talking, not you. Eliminate it completely and you eliminate the desire. That's been my experience.

    But if that's not a problem for you and you can eat these foods infrequently, I doubt it's going to have severe ramifications on your health.

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    • #3
      In my experience, gluten didn't seem to be a big deal until I stopped eating it. I had probably gone 3 or 4 weeks without it and figured I had been good, so why not. Swelled up like a balloon and suddenly had a huge pack of barking spiders sleeping with me all night. Didn't make me real popular with The Boyfriend.

      The longer I go without eating it, the less the more obvious side effects are, but they still sneak up on me if I have it for more than one or two meals. I get kind of emotional, almost like PMS, and I have trouble resisting other crap I shouldn't be eating.

      I would definitely try to go completely without gluten. It also inhibits absorption of certain nutrients (I think calcium is one), so some of what it does isn't even obvious.
      Durp.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
        I suddenly had a huge pack of barking spiders sleeping with me all night.
        Even with my highly overactive imagination, I can't quite picture what this means
        Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

        http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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        • #5
          I thought I could go with wheat, via the holy bread, at church. Sooner, or later, I found out otherwise: my skin issues would creep up. I thought I was talking out of my arse, telling my sister I was gluten sensitive, until I found out one of the owners of a coffee shop would get rashes all over his skin whenever he ate it.
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          • #6
            I've cheated with wheat semi regularly since 2008, it's bad news. You want to reduce it to monthly at most or even try to eliminate it altogether. Wheat is addictive and you will always want it if you keep eating it.

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            • #7
              I don't really crave wheat - I don't think. I do crave sugar. I just eat wheat because it is fricking everywhere and once a week or so I want to eat without worrying about it. Or because I really want to try some new food.....peking duck in buns, Kouign-Amann, a famous bakery. I like to be relaxed.

              Maybe it's time to get strict.
              Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

              http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jammies View Post
                Even with my highly overactive imagination, I can't quite picture what this means
                Barking spiders are farts.

                Except for my boyfriend. He gets followed around by quacking ducks.
                Durp.

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                • #9
                  Jammies,
                  I have severe, bone on bone osteoarthritis and hypothyroidism. I also have issues with diarrhea that I always thought were due to not having a gallbladder.

                  After giving up wheat for a few weeks in 2009 I saw huge improvement in not only the pain but the swelling in my knee and fingers. A few months later I noticed my bouts of diarrhea had lessened.

                  However I love pizza and while I'll eat zucchini crust pizza most of the time, I still want the real thing every so often. The problem is, eating the real thing brings back swollen/painful joints and diarrhea. Those symptoms last for 3-7 days.

                  A few weeks ago I deliberately ate sourdough bread 2 days in a row to see if I would have a reaction--I never eat bread. I did not leave my house for 4 days as I needed to be close to the bathroom. The swollen nodules are still noticeable on my fingers.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by marcadav View Post
                    Jammies,
                    I have severe, bone on bone osteoarthritis and hypothyroidism. I also have issues with diarrhea that I always thought were due to not having a gallbladder.

                    After giving up wheat for a few weeks in 2009 I saw huge improvement in not only the pain but the swelling in my knee and fingers. A few months later I noticed my bouts of diarrhea had lessened.

                    However I love pizza and while I'll eat zucchini crust pizza most of the time, I still want the real thing every so often. The problem is, eating the real thing brings back swollen/painful joints and diarrhea. Those symptoms last for 3-7 days.

                    A few weeks ago I deliberately ate sourdough bread 2 days in a row to see if I would have a reaction--I never eat bread. I did not leave my house for 4 days as I needed to be close to the bathroom. The swollen nodules are still noticeable on my fingers.
                    Thanks for sharing this. So if your symptoms last 3-7 days and I am eating it 1-2 times per week then I would pretty much never have the inflammation completely gone Damn.
                    Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                    http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jammies View Post
                      I don't really crave wheat - I don't think. I do crave sugar. I just eat wheat because it is fricking everywhere and once a week or so I want to eat without worrying about it. Or because I really want to try some new food.....peking duck in buns, Kouign-Amann, a famous bakery. I like to be relaxed.

                      Maybe it's time to get strict.
                      Jammies the big problem with gluten is that it hangs around and can cause problem for weeks after ingestion. So you are never really clean of it if you are cheating weekly. Since you have an autoimmune problem I would suggest being at least gluten-free on your cheat days, as gluten is a big culprit with these types of disorders. just a little gluten.. is going to be detrimental to your health, sorry. Someone that was gluten intolerant and was a known and was gluten-free except her communion, this was enough to keep her symptoms up.

                      I suggest watching this:
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhHwq...eature=related
                      Last edited by activia; 03-11-2012, 07:25 PM. Reason: added link to video
                      Primal since March 2011

                      Female/29 years old/5' 1"/130ish lbs

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
                        I've cheated with wheat semi regularly since 2008, it's bad news. You want to reduce it to monthly at most or even try to eliminate it altogether. Wheat is addictive and you will always want it if you keep eating it.
                        lol, if the thread starter eats it once a week without a problem then maybe its not addictive for them.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jammies View Post
                          Thanks for sharing this. So if your symptoms last 3-7 days and I am eating it 1-2 times per week then I would pretty much never have the inflammation completely gone Damn.
                          lol, this is FAR from true for everyone. Do you think wheat causes diarrhea in everyone? I feel like some of you act like anyone that has psoriasis, digestion problems, or an auto immune disease of any kind it can be cured by going gluten free. Obviously that is nonsense. For some people, it works...that is for sure. But please don't act like it is some sort of cure all.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jammies View Post
                            Thanks for sharing this. So if your symptoms last 3-7 days and I am eating it 1-2 times per week then I would pretty much never have the inflammation completely gone Damn.
                            Have you had a hs-CRP done? Long before I gave up wheat, and had tests that revealed my arthritis issues, my hs-CRP was high. The problem was my doctor, at the time, dismissed it as a genetic anomaly. That same doctor dismissed my slightly high thyroid antibodies.

                            Did you have a chance to listen to the PaleoSummit podcast by Dr. Thomas O'Byran- A Gluten Sensitivity Expert:The Musculoskeletal Connection to Autoimmune Disease? I found it very educational as well as enlightening.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
                              lol, this is FAR from true for everyone. Do you think wheat causes diarrhea in everyone? I feel like some of you act like anyone that has psoriasis, digestion problems, or an auto immune disease of any kind it can be cured by going gluten free. Obviously that is nonsense. For some people, it works...that is for sure. But please don't act like it is some sort of cure all.
                              You might be right, but for me stories like this are the canary in the coal mine. I feel the same way about peanuts. You read stories all the time about severe allergic reactions to peanuts.

                              Now I don't have any noticeable reaction to either gluten or peanuts. Does that mean their OK for me? I think not.

                              That's what's good about running foods through what I call the "paleo prism". The first question you should ask about any food is if Grok ate it or not. The next question should be how common are severe allergic reactions to this food in the general population.

                              My philosophy is that if a food fails these two huge tests, it should be eliminated from my diet, even if it is a donut.

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