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    Has anyone had problems with liver inflammation? Another part of my test results show that I have inflammation in the liver and I am trying to figure out/pin point what the causes could be until I see my dr at the next appointment.


    This could explain some of the digestive/hormonal issues I have been going through..?


    And, I know that others may be wondering why this is posted in the MDA forum but I guess since we are all trying to live primally Id rather have advice/opinions from those from the same background than others that follow CW (cw that goes against PB that is.).


    Thanks for listening..


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    Was this diagnosed through elevated levels of whatever they measure through blood tests (ALT/AST or something close to that)?

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      You can cause liver disease by eating a poor diet (high in calories, sugar and fat)


      Are you just starting primal?


      I went about 6 months eating fast food and prepared food only and I saw a sharp increase in my liver enzymes.

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        gottaluvalab - yes, this was through a blood test. One possibility that was mentioned was fatty liver? I've been researching on google and I even came across things such as Kombucha reaction in the liver?! Crazy stuff... Although, I *have* been drinking 16oz of Kombucha everyday since December... you never know I guess?


        stop_hammertime - I've been primal since last June and have always been on the healthy side; well, "healthy" meaning high fiber foods....

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          I was diagnosed with fatty liver after a couple of poor liver tests followed by an ultrasound. I've read every web page there is, but I haven't had a face-to-face conversation with my doctor about it yet (frankly, I was too upset at yet another diagnosis to push for it at the time, and I was relieved there was no mention of a biopsy!).


          My compiled understanding of the issue, given my a diagnosis of diabetes and my weight and etc., is that my liver is full of fat and not functioning optimally... just like the rest of me.


          Again, just my understanding from reading--usually a fatty liver just sits there being sluggish and fat, but for a small percentage of people it can take an ugly turn and lead to cirrhosis. Fatty liver can also be caused by alcohol consumption--or it can be both overweight AND alcohol related; I don't know how they determine which is the case, and for me I'm not sure it matters, so I haven't examined it further at the moment.


          My doctor's instructions were lose weight slowly, treat cholesterol, and no alcohol (not a rule I've been following strictly, though I've cut back to a couple glasses of wine once a week--this might be a bad choice). I'm sure there will be discussion of it next week when I see him.


          I'd be interested in comparing notes with what others' doctors tell them, if anyone is having a similar experience.

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            I'll definitely let you know if I hear of any news. Probably won't know for a while as I have to wait 6 weeks until I take the blood tests again but hopefully by then a PM'ing system will be available or I can resurrect this thread again...


            I *am* curious as to what can be causing this though... will be interesting.

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              Certainly do.


              I don't know if liver inflammation is the same as the silent inflammation we have heard so much about. I know that the liver needs many nutrients, especially glutathione to function properly and if it is beset by toxins in your system it will become damaged. But I don't know what your specific case is.


              Maybe look into liver healing herbs in the mean time. Milk thistle and dandelion root have been proven to regenerate and heal the liver, and there really is no downside if you only use them for a few weeks at a time.

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                Fatty liver can be treated with lecithin. Do you eat a lot of eggs? I know it seems counterintuitive to suggest eggs to treat "fatty" liver, but they're loaded with lecithin, and we should all be used to things that are counterintuitive before we learn the truth. I like eating things better than taking pills or granules, and my fatty liver disease disappeared when I started eating a lot of eggs. Try to find pasture raised eggs (think: farmer's market).

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                  I was reading recently that there is no difference between non alcoholic fatty liver and that caused by drinking, apart from cause. You seriously need to stop drinking alcohol (sorry about that). I have heard that Kombucha in some countries contains alcohol, so you probably should stop drinking it too.


                  Unfortunately you may be advised to do a low fat diet, and I'm no expert here, but after recent reading about low fat diets I'm not sure that would be good advice. Obviously you will probably need to research this more.


                  I have done a lot of research on milk thistle in the past, and as of late last year there was no reliable research that proved it works (well the research is about as reliable as the research on the benefits of low fat diets!), but as Stabby says, there is no evidence that it does harm either.


                  I hope your next results are better.

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                    CJ, Stephan over at WholeHealth did some posting on fatty liver disease a while back. It might provide some insight:

                    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...ch/label/liver

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                      My husband, 100 lbs. overweight, eating a horrible SAD (despite my cooking!), NIDDM, hyptertensive---was also diagnosed with non-alcoholic fatty liver.


                      The GI doc told him the following:

                      1. It is reversible with weight loss.

                      2. For a very small percentage of people, it goes on to progress to hepatitis and cirrhosis.

                      3. For most people, it remains a fatty liver unless they change their lifestyle habits.

                      4. It is okay to have 1-2 drinks/week.

                      5. Don't crash diet, it stresses the liver.

                      6. Milk thistle and alpha-lipoic acid don't help but can't hurt.


                      Sooze

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                        The other culprit for fatty liver is fructose, I believe. Excessive consumption of high fructose sweeteners and even consuming large quantities of fruit can bring about fatty liver.


                        Rick

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                          Thank you all for the responses! Based on what could cause liver inflammation I know that it's probably not a result from diet or alcohol. Unless drinking 16oz of Kombucha a day for the past 2 months really did something to my liver!


                          I *have* been taking chinese herbs to help cleanse my system (non-laxative/contains NO senna) and have heard that taking a blood test will significantly show the liver numbers being elevated. I found this out after I saw the dr so I'll have to mention it at the next appt and see what kind of insight is offered then... The dr did say that an enlarged/inflammed liver can cause hormonal imbalance which is driving me crazy :/

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                            You've sent me on a little research binge. I don't know much about Kombucha, but it seems that there is some evidence that it can enlarge the liver. It also seems that it's often brewed with sweeteners. That can cause elevated liver enzymes.


                            Milk thistle has long been used to "detox" the liver, and I haven't been able to find too much credible information that describes the reason for its effect, but I think the dandelion recommendation may be beneficial because of it's relatively high levels of choline, much like lecithin. Lecithin is beneficial primarily because of its phospholipids, the most beneficial being phosphatidylcholine. Eggs and organ meats seem to be the way to go to get them naturally while remaining Primal, but some people swear by soy lecithin supplements in the form of gelcaps or crystals that you can eat. The argument for the crystals is that you know that they've oxidized because they'll taste rancid.

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