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  • #31
    Veggies - asparagus, Brussels sprouts - that's all I can think of?

    For fruit - oh man. I miss fruit. Watermelon seems ok, but honeydew or cantaloupe make my mouth hurt. Other fruit that hurts my mouth (and then bloats me and hurts my innards): Kiwi, oranges (any citrus), pineapple (BIG OW) green bananas (if they are green they make my mouth feel like I've chewed sandpaper), strawberries. I can eat cherries and have no mouth pain, but the pain comes later, lol. Grapes make my mouth feel really DRY, I can't explain it better than that. If I even squeeze a wedge of lemon into a glass of mineral water, my mouth and gums and lips feel like I've been trying to eat bees. So I have an instant mouth-allergy to fruit, and then the bloating and etc. I stay away from fruit completely.

    OH! Except avocados, thank the sweet baby jesus in a manger. I can eat avocado and I put it on everything, eggs and meat and I'd garnish a glass of water with it if I could.

    I will admit, I have been having issues with the pooping thing. Which is one of the reasons I do eat some veggies, like asparagus. But if I eat salad (lettuce) I will absolutely see pristine pieces of lettuce in the toilet the next morning. My body does not digest it for some reason. Like corn, if you know what I mean. Tomato skins too, or the skins off of bell peppers. Ugh.

    Pasta was my first processed carb clue, like from the time I was about 6-years old. One serving and my stomach bloats up to 6-months pregnant size, and the gas - well, my husband put his foot down about me eating pasta well over 5 years ago, he just couldn't take it... Now it is all grains, pasta, cereals, etc.

    I originally thought it might be a fructose thing, and anything with HFCS is awful for me (I mean, personally, not just in the general sense) but then I figured it was all sugar. Any sugar. Cane, organic, maple syrup, (oh man, how I miss pancakes) corn syrup, fruit sugars, it all contributes.

    I'm sure there is a scientific enzyme or something tying all of this together, but I'll be damned if I can figure it out. The closest I've come so far is salicylic acid, which is present in some (but not all?) fruit. I also can't take aspirin, so that may be something.
    Last edited by Casey; 07-30-2013, 03:16 PM.
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    • #32
      Avocado has a lot of fiber too. Cellulose is not digestible by humans, all insoluable fiber like skins to fruits will pass thru system.
      The fact you get it passed thru your system so quickly (over night) that sounds like you don't have issues.

      Do you do any fermented foods (coconut kefir, probiotics ) ? I would think if you are eating little to no vegetation you would need plenty of bacteria to make stools. Raw meats (sushi etc...) or raw eggs help the bacteria count some too.

      I'm not sure then what you meant by the stool part of your diet is a problem? Do you not have stools? Or are you constipated (making stools but difficult to get out?). Rock in your stomach? Having to use laxative to go Etc... Please explain. There is no such thing as TMI when we are trying to figure out our health.
      A side note- most protein is absorbed by the body leavening about 3% of the quantity for ash to be expelled.

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      • #33
        I eat a LOT of sushi. So that is good news for me. I am thinking of eating raw meat - I have always loved raw hamburger, even as a child! I still sneak a chunk with salt on it, and I wasn't previously particular about where I got the meat, just supermarket stuff. I have never been sick from it. I'm thinking of making raw meatloaf with grass-fed organic beef and raw eggs, and eating that? Any ideas on that?

        It's the gurgling/barking/gassy response of my gut to anything vegetative that is awful for me. And the fact that my mouth hurts like a beyotch if I even get close to fruit.

        Eating 'diet food' i.e. Lean Cuisine's and chicken and rice was part of why I gained 50 pounds while going through menopause, which makes me so angry, I believed the party line - it's all a connection to me regarding insulin and hormones and enzymes. I'm still tweaking things, still learning, but so far what I have STOPPED eating has had a bigger impact than anything I have tried in the last 5 years to add to my diet.

        Since I am eating a high ratio of protein, my stools are infrequent. I do not have bloating from this, or pain. We went to Vegas about 2 weeks ago, and while there I had carbs. Not a lot, but a bite here and there, and a couple vodka & tonics one night OH and freaking pasta one night because expensive Italian restaurant, helped my husband eat his fettuccini, I KNEW BETTER. Three days later my gut was a rock and very painful, down low in my intestines not up in my stomach. I had to use a laxative, which was not pleasant but did the trick. In a month, that is the only time I have been constipated. I just, don't poop. Maybe every other day, which may be normal for primal eating. I was used to going every single morning after my coffee. To be clear, I don't feel the urge or feel constipated, I just have pooped ever day for 50 years, it's weird to get used to.

        I had two pieces of dark chocolate with almonds (Trader Joes) yesterday, and also TJ's organic ketchup on my burger. I was bloated from carbs all day today. It is a different feeling than being constipated, it's exactly like I used to feel once a month with PMS. Like I'm 6 months pregnant. I have been carb free all day, and it was that 'test' that prompted me to search for "allergic to all carbs" and find this thread.

        I drink a good quantity of water - I don't force it down, but I do get enough hydration. I have maybe 2 diet cokes/pepsi during the day, which yes aspartame is horrible. In my coffee I use Truvia and some fat free milk, although I am thinking of switching to just half & half because I use so little dairy (only what goes in my coffee) and I may need the fat?

        Please ask away - I have been on a long solitary journey with this stuff, and while I feel MILES better, it is always better to know why.

        ETA: I also walk every day - sometimes 2 miles, sometimes 4 miles. Every day. I haven't started lifting anything heavy (besides myself, har) yet.
        Last edited by Casey; 07-30-2013, 04:56 PM. Reason: To add in my exercise
        I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled. ~P. G. Wodehouse

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        • #34
          I also am allergic to carbs. The same exact thing happens to me!!

          Grassiness, fatigue, brain fog

          I feel sick and just awful.


          My diet consists of protein, high fat and veggies. I'm also hoping for some gut healing to take place!!!!

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          • #35
            The only carbohydrates I eat are from veggies, and I have to eat minimal veggies in order to feel good, when I follow this approach, which is... uh, ALWAYS - with the exception I eating too many veggies sometimes, I feel fantastic!! Oh and of course I load on the fat!!

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            • #36
              i also feel better when eating around 50g of mainly vegetable carbs with a little fruit. i cant get enough potassium from only meat/fish.

              for Casey- i also feel glorious in ketosis but if you start to feel unwell ,particularly if you start to get cramp or muscle weakness get your potasssium checked- you are approaching the point where depletion can occur
              When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
              27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
              new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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              • #37
                Originally posted by CarbDodger View Post

                for Casey- i also feel glorious in ketosis but if you start to feel unwell ,particularly if you start to get cramp or muscle weakness get your potasssium checked- you are approaching the point where depletion can occur
                2nd that - I had that happen very fast on lowest carbs. I went back to eating fruit and it went away within days.

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                • #38
                  Casey - I personally find uncooked to undercooked animal foods work best. It is key to gut bacteria. I've read the primal book by Andreas V. (His last name spelling I don't know off top my head). I stick with fish mostly though, undercooked game meat burgers (barely heated outside). That guy eats only meat most time and its never cooked. And if anything it will give you courage to have steak tartar :-)

                  So you cut out most produce bc they bloat you, no matter how prepared? Or is it you do best on almost no carb (produce) lifestyle dealing with weight & menopause?

                  Are you adding fat to your diet ? I've never tried this but adding 1 tbl (minimum) coconut oil with warm water helps things move along.

                  If you have stool (guessing they are tiny and small quantity, easy to pass?) every other day that is better than some who eat produce everyday!
                  Ugh I read more often than not meat rots in your gut if your bowels are not moving really well, then I read most meat is absorbed and used in the body so stools are just bacteria if there is no fiber BUT yo must have stool. I'd like to see evidence of either side.

                  I personally find fruit bc they are so naturally water rich to make easier bowels. Cooked proteins really mess with my bowels (straining to put it lightly). High fiber veg really messes with my gut and actually makes it harder on the bowels. If I cook the veg I barely have bowels moving. So if fruit isn't so bad I'd say fruit and undercooked meats, raw eggs, raw fish are great for top to bottom digestion.
                  Last edited by Alykat; 07-31-2013, 07:48 AM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by GiGiEats View Post
                    The only carbohydrates I eat are from veggies, and I have to eat minimal veggies in order to feel good, when I follow this approach, which is... uh, ALWAYS - with the exception I eating too many veggies sometimes, I feel fantastic!! Oh and of course I load on the fat!!
                    Gigi- please give example of your daily diet? How much and which meats, veg, fats a day?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by kiwigal View Post
                      I also am allergic to carbs. The same exact thing happens to me!!

                      Grassiness, fatigue, brain fog

                      I feel sick and just awful.


                      My diet consists of protein, high fat and veggies. I'm also hoping for some gut healing to take place!!!!

                      I fell like that with cooked carbs only. Raw fruits do the opposite. Are you cooking your veg or eating them raw? I believe healing the gut needs veg to be steamed - not raw?

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                      • #41
                        I feel your pain. I can't eat salads or any veg. uncooked, also off my list are all the FODMAPS now, the hardest being garlic and onion......ouch! also high allergy/intolerance to nuts, eggs, dairy, avocado, blueberry, nectarines, peaches, pineapple, olive, cucumber, mushroom, flaxseed, tumeric, vanilla, kale, melon, alfalfa, bamboo shoots, etc etc. so I am just about eating meat and tomato, adding the Fodmaps has made it all really difficult. Hoping to find that after a period of healing I can start to try and test more and introduce more things, but right now I just need to suck it up and heal my gut. Pretty sure I am having a problem with Chocolate and coffee now too. I too, don't feel well eating high carb,
                        Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
                        Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
                        Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Alykat View Post
                          Ugh I read more often than not meat rots in your gut if your bowels are not moving really well, then I read most meat is absorbed and used in the body so stools are just bacteria if there is no fiber BUT yo must have stool. I'd like to see evidence of either side.
                          Just a quick side note, meat does NOT rot in your gut... veggies however....

                          Does Meat Rot In Your Colon? No. What Does? Beans, Grains, and Vegetables! - GNOLLS.ORG

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by upupandaway View Post
                            Just a quick side note, meat does NOT rot in your gut... veggies however....

                            Does Meat Rot In Your Colon? No. What Does? Beans, Grains, and Vegetables! - GNOLLS.ORG
                            Hmmm... So the reason gas smells is bc of the vegetables that rot & ferment in the gut?

                            Does a lifestyle of only eating animal foods not cause gas & if one has gas does it stink? Seriously all I hear from people who do Atkins is they are constipated and straining in the bathroom. Why?
                            I'm not wanting that and i sure don't want things rotting in me either:-/

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Alykat View Post
                              Hmmm... So the reason gas smells is bc of the vegetables that rot & ferment in the gut?

                              Does a lifestyle of only eating animal foods not cause gas & if one has gas does it stink? Seriously all I hear from people who do Atkins is they are constipated and straining in the bathroom. Why?
                              I'm not wanting that and i sure don't want things rotting in me either:-/
                              I think it depends on that person, and their individual gut bacteria, more than their food intake - to be gross, neither the smell of my bum-burps nor the smell of my stool has changed from when I was vegetarian for 20 years, admittedly not eating any processed food apart from canned beans in water and tinned plain tomatoes, to now, when I'm eating meat twice a day, fresh veg, and no cereals at all. And I've been eating some meat for over 2 years now, most days.

                              Neither has my body odour changed - the only thing that makes all the above smell diffent is eating garlic, they go kind of sulphury then. Sorry if that's TMI but it is relevant.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by abc123 View Post
                                The more I experiment with foods & my bodys corresponding reaction, I'm thinking that I may just be allergic, or at least reacting negatively to most carbs.. I'm lean, 5'10", around 162lbs, & 8% bf.. I look great, but feel like total shit when I eat starchy meals.. Sugar simply ruins me it seems..

                                When I eat: sweet potatoes, white rice (or brown), & most fruits I body gets really hot, skin is hot to touch, heart beats fast, fruit makes me pee non-stop, horribly bloated, gassy, ready to nap immediately, & sometimes the food just runs right through me.. primal "starchy" carbs you guys are eating trigger these inflammatory responses in me..

                                Almost appears I may have "IBS".. I can feel the acidic burning sensation in my gut when I eat a "carby" meal (I eat clean tubers, no grains.. I'm a pretty discipline eater) & its pretty apparant I'm not handling sugar well at all..

                                When I do eat these carb meals though, I seem to be super lean the next day.. I know this is the goal of most people, but for me, its like the furnace is burning to hard.. Doesn't seem & feel healthy.. Almost like I'm getting too lean..

                                Thinking this could be IBS or leaky gut? or just carb sensitive?

                                I feel fantastic on a high fat diet (meats, eggs, full fat yogurt, olive oil, avocado), obviously moderate to high protein.. Since almost completely eliminating carbs: (Zero to low low carbs.. less than 50 a day only coming form veggies) my energy is sustainable, my skin looks great, I sleep better, actually sustain my weight (& gain a little), heart beats quietly, stool seems perfect, & digestive system seems quiet & peaceful..

                                Anyone experience the same thing? I've always had a pretty fast metabolism "ectomorphic".. Currently very lean & look great, but started adding some carbs back in to gain 5lbs or so.. However, the carbs are crushing my digestive system..

                                Just wondering if I stay completely away from carbs (with exception to veggies) if I'm going to become even more insulin-resistant & my body will react more extreme with the smallest traces of sugar..
                                I have a very different thought process. All the things you are describing sounds like carbohydrate is trying to fix your horribly stress-ridden body. You're not looking at it from the right perspective.

                                1.) Your body gets hot and your heart beats faster because carbohydrate raises your metabolic rate and sends thyroid function higher. You sound like you have a subnormal body temperature and are potentially hypothyroid.

                                2.) You have to pee because carbohydrate is converted into glycogen rapidly, which comes with 3-4g of water retention for every gram of glycogen stored. You dump that water when you use the glycogen. This isn't a downside but a positive.

                                3.) The food "runs right through you" because your gut is probably trashed. Longterm avoidance of soluble fiber, which comes from fruits and starches and is nonexistant in meat and vegetables, destroys your gut cultures. They feed off of soluble fiber and sugar, so when you give them no sugar, they die. If you suddenly start eating foods that require fermentation to digest - fruits and starches - you will fail to digest them properly. This is also what's probably causing your IBS.

                                More or less, you don't "feel" fantastic on a high fat diet. What you have done is by avoiding carbohydrate, you've wrecked your body so completely that eating carbohydrate is now a problem for you. You've created an absolute mess of yourself and a diet that SHOULD make you feel comparatively lousy - a high fat, low carbohydrate diet - has become more comfortable for you.

                                Leanness is just a product of CICO. You have calories under control. There are plenty of lean trainwrecks in the bodybuilding community.

                                I would recommend you start doing the exact opposite of what you're doing to get on the mend. Stop eating fat, start embracing well-cooked starches and sweet fruits. Start supplementing EVERY meal with a probiotic pill and some Greek yogurt or kefir. Start embracing fermented foods. Avoid nuts, fibrous vegetables and grains like the plague since the insoluble fiber is extremely problematic, especially in your case. Start slow - remove the skins from potatoes, sweet potatoes and fruits. Peel your apples, peaches, etc. You may even want to start with cooked fruits - baked bananas and apples, or even puree them to make the fiber easier to digest.

                                Andrew Kim sums up your situation masterfully here:
                                Another prominent clinician-researcher, Harold Himsworth, who was also first to show that insulin sensitivity in the tissues is reduced in diabetics, decades later, suggested, based on his clinical experiences and a review of the population data that high intakes of dietary fat (which raises free fatty acid levels) caused diabetes, and that diets rich in carbohydrates and low in fat were protective of it (Himsworth, 1934a, 1934b, 1936).

                                Kahn et al. thereafter, via multivariate analyses, in effect, reconfirmed the data that had been amassed by Himsworth, by showing that men who ate more sugar were less likely to develop diabetes later on than those who ate less of it—believe it or not (Kahn et al., 1971). By the 1980s, sugar had been pretty much exonerated from the diseases that were, speculatively, being assigned to it.[...]

                                [...]Fatty acids, both directly and indirectly, inactivate the PDH complex, preventing the metabolism of glucose to carbon dioxide, whereas carbohydrates have the opposite effect. Diabetics generally have elevated levels of free fatty acids in the blood, and this accounts for many processes that go off the rails in them, including (1) an impaired ability to switch from one fuel source (e.g., fat) to another (e.g., glucose) and (2) a 2- to 4-fold increased risk of cardiovascular disease compared to non-diabetics.[...]

                                [...]So in summary, it’s my contention that the excessive mobilization and oxidation of fatty acids—a signature of sorts of the diabetic metabolism— impairs insulin actions, primarily by way of inhibiting the PDH complex (Koves et al., 2005). Simply put, when free fatty acid levels are elevated, the metabolism of glucose to carbon dioxide becomes impaired, and glucose is rerouted to lactate instead. This has important implications for the cardiovascular disease—of which, to recap, diabetics have an increased risk of.[...]

                                [...]I would recommend, in no particular order, to (1) supplement with vitamin B1 (cofactor of the PDH complex) and (2) magnesium (helps retain ATP in the cell), (3) eat sugar as in fruit in preference to starches as in grains and tubers, (3) reduce excess body fat if you have it, and replace it with muscle, which serve as sinks for free fatty acids, (4) reduce the fat in the diet and replace them with carbohydrates and protein, keeping calories more or less the same. (I’ve found, and most dieters knows, that the loss of muscle occurs long before the fat stores become depleted, which is why carbohydrates are superior to fat during periods of weight loss, as carbohydrates are strongly anabolic), (5) opt for small meals over large ones in order to maintain steadier blood glucose levels over the course of a day, and (6) de-stress as much as possible by, for instance, getting into the habit of creating and writing down plans for how you will get an A on an upcoming exam, cope with a major life change, complete a paper, win an argument, etc. This can be more powerful than executing the plan itself . . . it has been for me at least.

                                Andrew Kim Blog: Diabetes, Dangerous Fat, and Protective Sugar
                                How does that relate to you? Well, it's my belief that you have killed off your bacteria cultures in your gut and you are riddled with elevated stress hormones (cortisol, estrogen, serotonin, aldoesterone, PTH, etc) from prolonged low carbohydrate eating. Especially with your level of leanness, you should be running on a particularly high carbohydrate diet since your leptin levels are low. I'm willing to bet you have shockingly high fasting glucose - maybe around 90 or so. It may be worth looking into as I'm banking on you being strongly insulin resistant from avoidance of carbohydrate. When I was HFLC, my fasting BG was usually around 85-88. Now that I'm mostly a carbivore, I hang in the 74-77 range. Reducing fats and increasing carbs in kind have markedly improved my insulin sensitivity, and as I result I've dropped a good amount of body fat since carbs are less fattening than fat.

                                I would also recommend you get bloodwork showing fasting glucose, cortisol, adrenaline, serotonin, parathyroid hormone (PTH) and a comprehensive thyroid panel showing TSH, T3, T4 and rT3. Don't just get a TSH screening - you need to see if your body is converting T4 into active T3. TSH just shows if the pituitary gland is calling for the thyroid to function...it's pretty meaningless. The problem most people have is the conversion after the fact.

                                I hope this helps.
                                Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 07-31-2013, 10:33 AM.
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