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    Hello all,

    a few weeks ago I posted about my wt. loss plateau, even complaining that I had actually gained a few pounds. I took some advice and 2 weeks ago, increased protein intake, small decrease in fat intake due to weight gain (after much consideration from others...I weigh 145, don't freak out!).Here's a cliffnote version of what's been going on. Still exercising 4 days/wk, taking vitamin supplements, nothing funky; have not changed anything major. I am being very careful, recording food, trying to decipher what the hell is going on. In simple terms, I was easily 140-142 lbs. this summer, and I cannot budge this weight. This past fall, was having troubles with my birth control and heavy bleeding; changed pills numerous times, ended up on 35mg dose of estrogen pill without much change in bleeding, and feeling fat from it; took myself off last week after 2 months on this dose. Feeling puffy and bloated, constipated. Seeing big fluctuations throughout the days 148 (!!!) yesterday, 145 today. Wondering how much this has to do with the hormone thing, perhaps protein increase, being 44 and not being used to my body reacting to anything I throw at it. I have never put much stock into blaming hormones on anything. Am I just fooling myself? Could this be due to the changes I have made and am I being impatient? I am seriously going nuts about this. I don't know who's belly has attatched itself to my body!!!!!
    Last edited by randamom; 02-21-2012, 08:59 AM.

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    I feel your pain. Hormones do play a major role.. Sorry wish I had more of an answer for you.. I'm dying to get my hands on this:Amazon.com: Lady-Comp Fertility Monitor - Fahrenheit: Health & Personal Care , I just wish it wasn't do damn expensive! so I can get off the pills myself.

    Chronic low calorie or low carb dieting can cause plateau's as well. Mixing it up with timing around heavy lifting or sprinting sessions MIGHT help you.
    Primal since March 2011

    Female/29 years old/5' 1"/130ish lbs

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    • #3
      It can take months to recover from the imbalances that hormonal birth control can cause. GIVE YOURSELF TIME. Yes, you are being impatient. I think it's also not a bad idea to go strict paleo or do a Whole30 if you want to ensure that you're not having any issues with dairy or something else.
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      • #4
        Hormones absolutely affect weight--what we know about the mechanisms of weight gain and fat storage comes from endocrine research (thyroid hormones, cortisol, insulin, leptin, androgens, estrogens...) and messing with one part of the system is likely to affect others.

        Birth control pills are known to cause weight gain in a lot of women, and estrogen therapy can cause water retention issues as well. I think you'll need to let your body stabilize from the many changes in hormone doses and such over the last few months before you'll be able to determine the effects of your diet on the whole thing. You might also want to talk to your doctor again and make sure there's not something else going on.
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        • #5
          Birth control pills can definitely make a difference. I was losing a pound a week when I was on a low-dose pill, but due to constant spotting I switched back to a regular dose one (Seasonique). I gained back everything I lost (6 lbs, yes that's not too much but I'm 5'9" so the difference between 134 and 140 is quite noticeable) very quickly. Now I am stuck at my original weight & measurements and nothing will budge it, even though I'm being much more careful about my diet and have added strength training to my routine. My own personal theory is that for some women, the extra hormones switch something on in your body that makes your body think it's pregnant so it needs to not lose that little bit of extra fat ("those last 10 lbs"). It seems like it would make sense. I have no idea if it's a scientifically accurate theory, it's just what it feels like to me.

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          • #6
            I haven't taken any birth control in 8 years but I can't seem to move my weight any lower either. I'm stuck at 136-8. Low carb I can keep it here. More carb and I overeat and I'm not willing to overeat long enough to gain it all back.

            I guess the only thing I haven't really tried yet is sprinting. That's supposed to have some kind of hormonal effect. I have a hard time getting over looking like an idiot to try it. Plus sprinting was the last thing I did while I was trying to lose weight with low-cal/low-fat and lots of running and it brings up bad memories.
            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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            • #7
              Well, at least I know I'm not alone in this! My workouts do include sprinting and lifting heavy things, for sure! And the only dairy I have is greek yogurt...I've also taken nuts out of the diet. I know I'm just being a freak, and I should be patient. This negative change happened pretty rapidly and I cannot help getting frustrated. For the way I choose to eat, and the way I work out, I DESERVE A GREAT BODY, because I am really working on it. Hoping I can figure out what the cause is. ! Thanks for the support girls!

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              • #8
                The fluctuations you mention must be fluid retention - fat gain doesn't happen that fast. I suspect your bc is not helping. I know how frustrating it is to be doing everything right and not getting the result you want. Maybe have a think about mineral deficiencies. Iodine is the mineral du jour on this site right now (with good reason imo) but check others as well. I'm experimenting with Iodine at the moment. Problem is that some people get weight gain with the detox. Again this is likely to be fluid retention. Something is out of balance in your system. One thing I like about Paul Jaminet's Perfect Diet is that he looks into the issue of minerals in more detail than PB. Might be worth a look.

                Also check for toxins in the environment like chlorine and flouride in water which can affect mineral uptake. You might be getting enough in your diet but environmental toxins are inhibiting uptake.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by activia View Post
                  I feel your pain. Hormones do play a major role.. Sorry wish I had more of an answer for you.. I'm dying to get my hands on this:Amazon.com: Lady-Comp Fertility Monitor - Fahrenheit: Health & Personal Care , I just wish it wasn't do damn expensive! so I can get off the pills myself.

                  Chronic low calorie or low carb dieting can cause plateau's as well. Mixing it up with timing around heavy lifting or sprinting sessions MIGHT help you.
                  I'm coming off HBC and looking at Paragard (copper IUD no-hormones), but this machine looks like it could be the ultimate non-invasive solution! Can you tell me more about it? If I'm hypothyroid and have low temps, would the readings be accurate?

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                  • #10
                    I think the lady comp is not the most reliable method. I think for better options, one should read the terribly named book "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" and learn how to chart. I have used something called the OvaCue for fertility purposes, and it can also be used for prevention. Lots of people I have read feel that the lady comp isn't effective for ovulation prediction due to lack of ability to input variable cycles. Ovulation prediction is what you need to prevent pregnancy.
                    That being said, I think that charting (Also see fertilityfriend.com) is a great way to know what is going on. Then you can see if you want to use protection for just a few days per month once you know your cycle. Bazillions of good sites out there on this, but fertility friend is a good start, and the book is fascinating and helpful.
                    Started Whole30 December 31, 2011
                    Integrated Leptin Reset/Jack Kruse plan Jan 13, 2012
                    Starting Weight: 174.8
                    CW:160.0 lbs

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by L8F View Post
                      I think the lady comp is not the most reliable method. I think for better options, one should read the terribly named book "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" and learn how to chart. I have used something called the OvaCue for fertility purposes, and it can also be used for prevention. Lots of people I have read feel that the lady comp isn't effective for ovulation prediction due to lack of ability to input variable cycles. Ovulation prediction is what you need to prevent pregnancy.
                      That being said, I think that charting (Also see fertilityfriend.com) is a great way to know what is going on. Then you can see if you want to use protection for just a few days per month once you know your cycle. Bazillions of good sites out there on this, but fertility friend is a good start, and the book is fascinating and helpful.
                      Thanks so much! I read in customer reviews that the Taking Charge book is a must to go with the Lady Comp. What are your thoughts on the IUD? They scare me, frankly, but I want off HBC. I'm not ready to start a family, so I want something natural and reliable.

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                      • #12
                        I m not educated much about IUDs, but I think it is the best non-hormonal option out there other than charting (which is NOT 100% reliable of course) If you have a problem with it, you can always have it removed. Lots of people love them.
                        Started Whole30 December 31, 2011
                        Integrated Leptin Reset/Jack Kruse plan Jan 13, 2012
                        Starting Weight: 174.8
                        CW:160.0 lbs

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                        • #13
                          I went back on the pill in December of last year after not being on it for almost a year. During the time I was off the pill, I was able to drop fat but now, I can't. I'm on it primarily for pain management as apparently the hormones help with that otherwise I am constantly eating advil and tylenol for cramps. I'm also scared about getting pregnant even though my husband has been fixed for over 10 years now and I've heard too many horror stories about the IUD. I'm scared about getting pregnant as I am part of a familial curse and I just have this gut feeling that I will have a kid in the next 4-10 years. I'm the last born female of the last born female whose mother was 40 or over when they had that daughter and that daughter will have a child at 40 or over. I keep thinking the pill is keeping me from my weight loss goals but I'm so scared of having another kid, I would almost rather stay overweight then have another. Any ideas?
                          Georgette

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by geostump View Post
                            I went back on the pill in December of last year after not being on it for almost a year. During the time I was off the pill, I was able to drop fat but now, I can't. I'm on it primarily for pain management as apparently the hormones help with that otherwise I am constantly eating advil and tylenol for cramps. I'm also scared about getting pregnant even though my husband has been fixed for over 10 years now and I've heard too many horror stories about the IUD. I'm scared about getting pregnant as I am part of a familial curse and I just have this gut feeling that I will have a kid in the next 4-10 years. I'm the last born female of the last born female whose mother was 40 or over when they had that daughter and that daughter will have a child at 40 or over. I keep thinking the pill is keeping me from my weight loss goals but I'm so scared of having another kid, I would almost rather stay overweight then have another. Any ideas?
                            For me, I was actually able to lose weight when I switched to a low-dose pill (LoSeasonique). However, I started getting spotting about 3 weeks into the pack ... went off for a week to have pill-period ... back on and then only two weeks later the spotting started again! It was driving me totally bonkers so I said screw it and went back to regular Seasonique, only to see every lb I lost rush back onto my thighs!! SO annoying. But the bright side is, everyone reacts differently - - so maybe for you, a low dose pill would yield the benefits but not cause spotting. It may be worth a try.

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                            • #15
                              I'm on Cyclafem which I gather is a low dose pill. I used to be on Necon which is Cyclafem's older cousin. The great thing, barely having a period but I'm such an emotional wreck, I'm not sure what to do or where to go at this point. Plus, my insurance will be gone at the end of the month so I may be without any pill at this point.
                              Georgette

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