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    Why is dairy not classed as Paleo? I can understand why cows milk and products isnt for obvious reasons, but surely goats would be acceptable?
    and what about other milks? i.e. sheep, buffalo etc?

    I know this is obvious to some so Im expecting my usual "know it all" replies I often seem to get. But Im a newbie and cant find an answer to this in any of Marks articles, and Im very keen to learn as much as I can about eating Primal.
    Thank you.
    I'm not a complete idiot! There's parts missing!!

  • #2
    There is nothing wrong with dairy. Does this sentence make sense to you, "eat the entire cow, but don't drink the milk". It doesn't to me. Unless you have an allergy, dairy is fine. Why the paleo exclusion? I'm sure there is some ridiculous reason behind it
    "The problem with quoting someone on the Internet is, you never know if it's legit" - Abraham Lincoln

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    • #3
      I guess if *Wild Cow Milking* is a rodeo event, paleo man could have found a way to do it too~ And that would, of course, include all bovine and/or other hoofed mammals. Not saying it was an every day food source, but in the spring~ why not?

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      • #4
        It isn't really in keeping with an ancestral diet. We haven't been working with domesticated animals all that long, so it is a somewhat novel food, though I believe it does pre-date grain agriculture. As with many novel foods, it causes negative reactions in quite a few people, but there are some people that are well adapted to it. If you're one of those folks, then I say go for it. I think it's worth eliminating it for awhile and adding it back to make sure it's not a problem for you, though. I eat a little dairy and I'm fine with it. It's mostly high-fat stuff like butter and cream, but I also like some cheese now and then.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DaisyEater View Post
          It isn't really in keeping with an ancestral diet. We haven't been working with domesticated animals all that long,
          IDK~ I agree that we haven't had domesticated animals that long, but there are so many youtube videos of milking 'wild' mammals, I think it could easily have been a seasonal food, much the same as eggs~ unless you think they kept chickens

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DaisyEater View Post
            It isn't really in keeping with an ancestral diet. We haven't been working with domesticated animals all that long, so it is a somewhat novel food, though I believe it does pre-date grain agriculture.
            I remember hearing that during deer/gazelle/other herbivore birthing season, wolfs and other carnivores take down the mothers, eat the fatty and milk-filled udder, and abandon the rest of the carcass. So it's definitely something Grok would have come across, especially during spring!
            There aren't many problems in life that can't be solved by sleeping it off, or adding more butter.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DaisyEater View Post
              It isn't really in keeping with an ancestral diet. We haven't been working with domesticated animals all that long, so it is a somewhat novel food, though I believe it does pre-date grain agriculture.
              Not to be crude, but maybe humans (men) had a human source of milk. It would explain, um, some instincts.

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              • #8
                Dairy is primal, it's not paleo.

                It's actually one of the major exclusions of true paleo, for a couple of reasons:

                When dairy has a negative effect, it can have a devastating effect.

                It's easy to over-rely on.

                It's easy to substitute for real foods.

                If you aren't white, the chances of you being lactose intolerant are pretty high. Lactase permanence is the mutation, not the other way around.

                But then many paleo purists(see paleohacks.com) don't eat broccoli, or in many cases, many vegetables. Hell, fruit isn't paleo, strictly speaking.

                Don't get me wrong, I use fermented dairy products(I lost the desire for milk after going primal). But there are good reasons some people exclude it.
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                • #9
                  why full fat?

                  Hi, I am really new....if dairy is ok...why is low fat milk worse that full fat milk...or low fat greek yogurt for that matter?

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                  • #10
                    Go here:

                    Primal Blueprint 101 | Mark's Daily Apple

                    Do some reading through the posts and get a good idea of how PB works before you dive too much into the forums--things around here can be confusing if you're not familiar with the basic idea of primal living.
                    “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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                    • #11
                      Thank you...I have read Primal Blueprint 101. Unless I am missing something, definitive dairy does not explain why full fat is better in milk or yogurt.

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                      • #12
                        I know this one! Heh heh - just went to the primal seminar in Boulder and someone asked this very questions to Brad Kearns... the low fat dairy items are all just the milk sugars... high sugars with no fat reacts and produces insulin spikes much more than a hit of dairy with the full fat to even things out... because eating primal you become a fat burner vs. a sugar burner... so you want the full fat... not just a hit of dairy sugar. Hope that helps.
                        We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. - Oscar Wilde

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                        • #13
                          Thank you...that makes sense...I was comparing lables and they had the same number of carbs, so it was very confusing. Really appreciate the clarification

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                          • #14
                            +1

                            Read the entire PB first. These forums can easily tear a person down when they're just getting started, simply because so many people know the basics and start to adapt the diet for their own needs.

                            Originally posted by Owly View Post
                            Go here:

                            Primal Blueprint 101 | Mark's Daily Apple

                            Do some reading through the posts and get a good idea of how PB works before you dive too much into the forums--things around here can be confusing if you're not familiar with the basic idea of primal living.
                            boom.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shanster View Post
                              I know this one! Heh heh - just went to the primal seminar in Boulder and someone asked this very questions to Brad Kearns... the low fat dairy items are all just the milk sugars... high sugars with no fat reacts and produces insulin spikes much more than a hit of dairy with the full fat to even things out... because eating primal you become a fat burner vs. a sugar burner... so you want the full fat... not just a hit of dairy sugar. Hope that helps.
                              Thank you Shanster. I didn't know the answer to this question but I did guess correctly a few weeks ago what I started PB. You've reinforced my beliefs about the lactose thinggy.

                              I eat about 25g of full fat cheese and about 100ml of full fat cream daily, and have had no ill effects. Everything about PB seems to be working a right royal treat on me
                              Commenced PB Jan 2nd 2012.
                              86.1kg, 23% bodyfat
                              Last assessment January 26, 2014 - 79.4kgs & 14.6% bodyfat

                              My goal is to:
                              Maintain PB lifestyle of diet and exercise.
                              Maintain weight of around 80kgs and 15% bodyfat.

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