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    So, I know an old lady, now in her 70s, who can only walk short distances with her cane. Her hips pain her, and her knees and ankles are swollen most days. She can't lift her legs, so getting into a bathtub, or standing from lying down is impossible without help. Her fingers are crooked, and her hands partially immobile from the arthritis. Her nails brittle and cracked. She suffers with her skin being dry, and patches of psoriasis have begun appearing on her face, in small red patches. It itches, and looks sore. In other areas her skin is completely white, having lost it's pigmentation.

    She has always suffered from migraines and headaches, stress and tension. Her gums have receded, and bleed when she cleans her teeth. Her IBS is so bad that she 'runs' to the toilet after meals, and can't go far from the security of a nearby bathroom. In the past she has had major surgery for a stomach ulcer and a hysterectomy. She has suffered a lot with both these surgeries, and still has recurring problems as a result. She takes medication for high-blood pressure, warfarin for blood clots, and thyroid medication for an under-active thyroid, as well as a daily PPI to stop indigestion... among others.

    She couldn't breast feed me as a child, and I am beginning to realize that this may well have everything to do with my own digestive issues...

    And as I look at my mother, I dearly hope that I will not become like her. A body so frail and wrecked with these problems. Is there something I can do to prevent it? Is it genetic? Is it inherently inheritable? Can eating Primal stave off the inevitable? Or will I too begin to see my body fall apart as I get older?

    The problem is, is that although she has always eaten sugar, white flour bread and pastry, she has always cooked her own food (meat and 2 veg) eating things like offal and liver, and has always taken CLO since she was a child. She ate home grown vegetables, and chicken eggs from the garden, and plenty of fish too. I'm not sure how all of this could have been prevented, even though most of it looks to me like inflammation. Perhaps it is not preventable, and I am merely kidding myself?
    SW: 68 kg. * CW: 61.5 kg. * GW: 60 kg or less...
    “Your work is to discover your work and then with all your heart to give yourself to it.” ~ Buddha

  • #2
    Put it this way: you have nothing to lose by trying your best to be healthy.
    You may not entirely prevent health problems, but you should be able to manage them if you are proactive about your state of health.
    There aren't many problems in life that can't be solved by sleeping it off, or adding more butter.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Tealia View Post
      Put it this way: you have nothing to lose by trying your best to be healthy.
      You may not entirely prevent health problems, but you should be able to manage them if you are proactive about your state of health.
      Yep,nobody here is saying that getting healthy is going to make you bulletproof, but it's a hell of a lot better than doing things that we all know promote health issues and so on.
      Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own experience.

      In the mind of the beginner, there are many possibilities; in the mind of the expert, there are few.


      I've shaken hands with a raccoon and lived to tell the tale

      SW: 220- 225 pounds at the beginning of January
      CW: 180 pounds

      Goals for 2012: Lose a bit more fat and start a serious muscle and strength routine

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      • #4
        The key thing is that whilst eating good food she also ate the inflammatory disease causing ones to It's the same as eating healthy, exercising and then chain smoking. For the best chance you must eliminate ALL inflammatory foods, not even rice is ok.

        You absolutely can avoid this road.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Raine View Post
          The key thing is that whilst eating good food she also ate the inflammatory disease causing ones to It's the same as eating healthy, exercising and then chain smoking. For the best chance you must eliminate ALL inflammatory foods, not even rice is ok.

          You absolutely can avoid this road.
          White rice is fine for the majority of people.Don't compare eating some rice or a potentially inflammatory food to chain smoking, that's just stupid.
          Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own experience.

          In the mind of the beginner, there are many possibilities; in the mind of the expert, there are few.


          I've shaken hands with a raccoon and lived to tell the tale

          SW: 220- 225 pounds at the beginning of January
          CW: 180 pounds

          Goals for 2012: Lose a bit more fat and start a serious muscle and strength routine

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          • #6
            Originally posted by @lex View Post
            White rice is fine for the majority of people.Don't compare eating some rice or a potentially inflammatory food to chain smoking, that's just stupid.
            +1000

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            • #7
              Originally posted by @lex View Post
              White rice is fine for the majority of people.Don't compare eating some rice or a potentially inflammatory food to chain smoking, that's just stupid.
              I never compared white rice to chain smoking I compared sugar, grains etc to chain smoking. When you look at the long term diseases they cause including heart attacks, they are very much on a par. White rice contains traces of arsenic, it is not healthy for anyone, it also spikes your blood sugar levels.

              I am gathering you are one of the people who has not done real research eg pubmed and the likes, into what these foods do to the human body?. Otherwise you wouldn't have made the above comment..
              Last edited by Raine; 02-09-2012, 02:52 AM.

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              • #8
                Doesn't the majority of food we eat have traces of arsenic? I know white rice possibly has more than fruits and veggies, but its less than the amount in brown rice. I like this quote that summed up an article I just looked at.

                Our food web is a mess, top to bottom. That’s the price of trying to feed 7 billion people. Adding rice to the list of things I fret about on a daily basis will mainly serve to raise my stress level. And while arsenic is the latest boogeyman to poke its nose out of our pantry, and we don’t know nearly enough about it, I am confident about this: Stress causes Americans a lot more disease than arsenic in rice.
                Source: WebSite (WOULD YOU LIKE WHITE RICE, BROWN RICE, OR ARSENIC RICE? | Human. Nature.)
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Raine View Post
                  I never compared white rice to chain smoking I compared sugar, grains etc to chain smoking. When you look at the long term diseases they cause including heart attacks, they are very much on a par. White rice contains traces of arsenic, it is not healthy for anyone, it also spikes your blood sugar levels.

                  I am gathering you are one of the people who has not done real research eg pubmed and the likes, into what these foods do to the human body?. Otherwise you wouldn't have made the above comment..
                  No,you certainly compared rice and grains to chain smoking,which is ridiculous.You even said things like rice are bad and MUST be avoided if you want to be optimally healthy,which is complete and utter bullshit.Do you think there's ANY food out there that doesn't contain some sort of harmful elements? Nothing,absolutely nothing is 100% safe,there's something bad in everything we eat,it's just how things work.You can go find a study that indicates toxic and harmful effects for practically anything,even the air we breath and the water we drink.Stop with the excessive fear mongering,it doesn't help anyone and paints a very negative image overall.The people that get cancer and happen to eat grains and processed sugar are also generally obese,lazy,and suffer from other lifestyle factors that promote such diseases,it isn't all the foods fault and to try to blame such a complicated series of disease on just one factor is stupid.Now,I'm not saying grains area healthy choice,science has showed that they aren't,but they also aren't all the same,and certainly not as bad as excessive alcohol consumption,abusive drug use,and smoking addiction.You can't just focus on the often exaggerated negative aspects without looking at the big picture then accuse someone of not doing research because they didn't come to the same extreme conclusion as you,that's just dumb.If grains have show themselves to be harmful to your health,then by all means eliminate them,but not all grains are detrimental to all people.
                  Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own experience.

                  In the mind of the beginner, there are many possibilities; in the mind of the expert, there are few.


                  I've shaken hands with a raccoon and lived to tell the tale

                  SW: 220- 225 pounds at the beginning of January
                  CW: 180 pounds

                  Goals for 2012: Lose a bit more fat and start a serious muscle and strength routine

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                  • #10
                    I don't find white rice inflammatory. It's a godsend. It doesn't spike my blood sugar levels because I am not insulin resistant and I eat white rice with plenty of fat, protein and fibre.
                    F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by @lex View Post
                      No,you certainly compared rice and grains to chain smoking,which is ridiculous.You even said things like rice are bad and MUST be avoided if you want to be optimally healthy,which is complete and utter bullshit.Do you think there's ANY food out there that doesn't contain some sort of harmful elements? Nothing,absolutely nothing is 100% safe,there's something bad in everything we eat,it's just how things work.You can go find a study that indicates toxic and harmful effects for practically anything,even the air we breath and the water we drink.Stop with the excessive fear mongering,it doesn't help anyone and paints a very negative image overall.The people that get cancer and happen to eat grains and processed sugar are also generally obese,lazy,and suffer from other lifestyle factors that promote such diseases,it isn't all the foods fault and to try to blame such a complicated series of disease on just one factor is stupid.Now,I'm not saying grains area healthy choice,science has showed that they aren't,but they also aren't all the same,and certainly not as bad as excessive alcohol consumption,abusive drug use,and smoking addiction.You can't just focus on the often exaggerated negative aspects without looking at the big picture then accuse someone of not doing research because they didn't come to the same extreme conclusion as you,that's just dumb.If grains have show themselves to be harmful to your health,then by all means eliminate them,but not all grains are detrimental to all people.
                      I'm sorry why are you actually doing primal?? For muscles I gather. Nothing to do with fear mongering it's scientific fact - read any of Dr Cordain studies?, studies on carb restriction and cancer etc? Obviously not. The OP's mum has autoimmune diseases, these are caused by chronic inflammation and often leaky gut syndrome..and what leads to both of those!.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Raine View Post
                        I'm sorry why are you actually doing primal?? For muscles I gather. Nothing to do with fear mongering it's scientific fact - read any of Dr Cordain studies?, studies on carb restriction and cancer etc? Obviously not. The OP's mum has autoimmune diseases, these are caused by chronic inflammation and often leaky gut syndrome..and what leads to both of those!.

                        *face palm*

                        First off,my reasons for eating paleo aren't relevant to the discussion, so why even bother bring that up? Am I somehow not as paleo as you because I tend to look at things on an individual basis instead of seeing a bit of research and then applying that to everyone? Am I wrong for not agreeing with the opinions you've formed after looking at research that isn't the definitive answer to an issue? Am I crazy for suggesting that different people have different needs and tolerances and not everyone is the same? Please enlighten me and all the other people here that are getting it wrong,because I could of sworn that one approach doesn't work for everyone and people need to listen to their bodies.I never said that someone who is metabolically damaged should stuff their head into a barrel of ground wheat and try to eat their way to the bottom,nor have I said that a healthy and active person should go out of their way to avoid white rice or a similar food just because it has the potential to be harmful to someone with already damaged metabolism from eating garbage.What I'm promoting is individual assessment and experimentation instead of seeing effects from certain things on certain people and then applying that to everyone.

                        My grandfather smoked cigars and drank whiskey every day and died in his sleep at 96,as have numerous other people,so does that mean people should chain smoke while double-fisting bottles of JD? No,it doesn't.People with damaged metabolisms,unhealthy lifestyles,and poor dietary choices have been shown to do terribly on certain foods but does that mean everyone should avoid these foods like the plague? No,it doesn't. Studies have shown that eating an organic vegan diet and fasting has put some types of cancer into remission,so does this mean that I think a healthy person should follow this diet to lower their risk of cancer? No,it doesn't. Exposure to excessive amounts of sunlight has shown to increase risk of skin cancer in certain people,so does this mean I think everyone should avoid sunlight? Once again,no.Trying to completely avoid anything that is potentially harmful is a great way to drive yourself insane,but not a great way to live a healthy and productive life.The air we breath everyday is polluted,the water we drink has toxins in it,the sunlight that warms us can cause health issues,plants and other foods we eat contain toxins,and just by living we're actually killing ourselves.

                        For the last fucking time,not everyone is the same and different people are affected in different ways by different things.If the OP has shown to be negatively affected by rice or other foods then she should absolutely not consume them,but the way you've worded your posts implies that everyone will suffer terrible effects from similar foods which is simply not true.I'm simply promoting moderation and rational thinking over excessive fear and stress,if you have a problem with that then kindly stop replying because we wont get anywhere.
                        Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own experience.

                        In the mind of the beginner, there are many possibilities; in the mind of the expert, there are few.


                        I've shaken hands with a raccoon and lived to tell the tale

                        SW: 220- 225 pounds at the beginning of January
                        CW: 180 pounds

                        Goals for 2012: Lose a bit more fat and start a serious muscle and strength routine

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                        • #13
                          Make sure you lift weights (compound lifts, not bullshit isolation) - this strengthens entire body and bone density
                          And take your daily supplement of MSM, Glucosamine and chondroitin
                          Yes even bones atrophy if they're not put under 'stress'

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                          • #14
                            There are so many variables that come into play in regard to how one ages. Genetics certainly plays a role in this and a big one. But the good news is that even with so called unfavorable genes, we can slant things more in our favor by doing certain things. A good sensible exercise program, a diet of mostly whole foods, a good positive mental outlook, avoiding poisons like tobacco, limiting or completely avoiding prescription and OTC drugs, drinking lots of pure water. All of these things done consistently add up to your best you so to speak. This doesn't mean living in a bubble either. I do all of these things and I also like a good beer or three. Great pizza is one of the finer things in life! My life doesn't revolve around these things. I merely enjoy them on occasion and it's a healthy thing as I see it. It's what you do almost all the time that shapes you. If it's bad most of the time, then the results will be. If it's good then the results will reflect that.

                            One of the most important things in anti aging is the mindset you have. I decided in my early twenties that I wasn't going to think like most people. I observed so many people in their thirties and forties thinking old, always mentioning how old they were and limiting their lives because of it. I'm now a few years from fifty and and the difference between me and most my age is staggering! I take no medications, have no health problems, colds, flus etc. I can do anything I could do thirty years ago and some things even better. I simply don't believe in the whole aging thing like most do and the results speak for themselves. I have friends who are showing the signs and have many problems. The gap is widening exponentially too as each year passes.

                            Do the things you know to be right almost always and refuse to care a bit about the passage of time. Its highly overrated. Worry about such things and you talk yourself into being old.

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