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  • help out my friend - crashing around 4pm each day

    a chance to help someone out and keep them going forward with primal! we just have to figure out what the hell is goin on..

    so a very good friend of mine crossed over to the primal lifestyle about 1.5 weeks ago.. actually his wife who is veggie is going 80% or so as well .. he is still eating limited dairy, and eating nuts .. usually the only dairy is if he is falling asleep at work and has a milk around 5pm ..

    issue is that every day around 4pm he starts to drag ,.,, hes not hungry ... but just gets dead tired .. hes getting 7-8 hours of sleep per night

    eating is about like this daily:

    1700 calories
    80g fat
    80-90g protien
    60-70g carbs

    5'11" - was 210 at the start, down to 200 in about 1.5 weeks .. his goal is 185, but more importantly just in better all around shape and feeling better.. hes younger than i am, i think like 28? and he works on his feet and is active in his personal life with walking, biking, etc..

    hes enjoying the energy in the morning and waking up without being drowsy, but these afternoon crashes are tough.. and i dont want him giving up.. his wife is having the issues too

    hes only hungry enough for 2 meals a day ..

    i never had this issue.. what do you guys think? seems like maybe extended carb flu? but thats a while .. his wife and him ate a lot of carbs prior as he was eating vegetarian part time with her cooking... lots of sandwhiches, rice, potatoes, etc ...

    let's save one!
    started at 310 July 23rd 2011 ... workin and workin!

    my journal - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread34980.html




  • #2
    Depends on his carb delivery (and accuracy of his carb estimates), but he could just simply be doing a normal "spike and crash" if he's getting a big chunk of those carbs in one meal.

    It's also possible he's spiking insulin with the milk (lactose), and crashing thereafter. And it could very well be carb flu.

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    • #3
      couple of thoughts... that's a pretty low level of calories for a guy his size; never heard of drinking milk as a 5pm pick-me-up.

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      • #4
        yeah he doesnt drink it until he gets to the point of passing out .. no idea how it picks him up either but it does LOL

        spike and crash could work .. hmmm ...

        as far as calories i think that might be the main issue, but hard to force yourself to eat, ya know?

        we will see, any more opinions?
        started at 310 July 23rd 2011 ... workin and workin!

        my journal - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread34980.html



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        • #5
          i felt draggy & super tired every afternoon for like 2 or 3 wks when i first dropped grains. I was eating a ton of dried fruit & nuts at that crash time. Needed the sugar & fat to get thru it for those few wks. It took me 4 wks to transition & about 6 wks for my husband. Your friend is probably just deep in carb flu. 1.5 wks is not long enough to fully transition IMHO.

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          • #6
            I'm no pro- only one month in myself. My first thought is not enough protein for his size. I've been having intermittent afternoon crashing and just realized (through food journaling) that I wasn't eating nearly enough protein. I'm going to agree that 1.5 weeks isn't enough transition time. I hope he'll stick it through!

            This is another random suggestion, but I know I feel a lot more energetic with LHT. Strength exercises do it for me where even mild cardio on it's own just doesn't.
            You don't have to be sick to get better.
            Female, 31 years old, 5'8"
            Primal start: 1/2/2012
            My Primal Journal
            Living, loving and learning.

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            • #7
              come to think of it i ate less calories than that for the first 3-4 months
              started at 310 July 23rd 2011 ... workin and workin!

              my journal - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread34980.html



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              • #8
                quick bump .. im agreeing with the carb flu theories
                started at 310 July 23rd 2011 ... workin and workin!

                my journal - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread34980.html



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                • #9
                  What's he eating for breakfast?
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                  • #10
                    Probably carb flu if he just started less than two weeks ago. Have him move a majority of his protein to the early meal and most or all of his carbs to his late meal. 1700 calories is about my maintenance range, and I'm a moderately active 5'4" female. I'm thinking he's not eating enough.

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                    • #11
                      Thanks for the post Todd, I think I'm headed in the right direction just having a hard time working 2nd shift right now. Crashing is really bothering me because I work 2-10pm, and I run heavy equipment so its very dangerous to do while tired. Next week is my last week working 2nd shift as I am changing companys so hoping it will get easier with that. Here are how the last few days went with my eating, using MyFitnessPal on my iPhone to track intake. None of my food is from walmart I am just using whatever pops up on the food tracker to use the info so this is really reference only.

                      Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein
                      Roundy's - Bacon, Regular Cut, Hardwood Smoked, Pan Fried, 4 slices 180 0 16 10
                      Generic - Olive Oil, Extra Virgin , 2 teaspoons 84 0 9 0
                      Roundy's - Cage Free Omega 3 Eggs, 3 egg (50g) 210 3 14 18
                      Avocados - Raw, 0.25 avocado, NS as to Florida or California 80 4 7 1
                      Onions - Raw, 0.2 cup, chopped 13 3 0 0
                      Unico - Diced Tomatoes In Can, 0.5 cups 5 1 0 0
                      Silk - "Pure Almond" All Natural Almond Milk, 0.8 cup (240mL) 48 6 2 1
                      100% Whey Protein Whey Protein Isolate Powder Natural Flavor, 1 scoop 90

                      Lunch
                      Roundy's - Organic Fat Free Milk, 0.75 cup 68 10 0 6
                      Pistachios - Pistachio Nut In Shell, 1.5 cup (60 g) with shells 510 21 42 21
                      Silk - "Pure Almond" All Natural Almond Milk, 1 cup (240mL) 60 8 3 1

                      Dinner
                      All Natural - Lean Ground Beef 93/7 16 oz (1 lb), 8 ounces 320 0 16 44
                      Onions - Raw, 0.2 cup, chopped 13 3 0 0
                      Heinz - Organic Ketchup, 1 tablespoon 20 5 0 0

                      Totals 1,701 64 109 122


                      Breakfast - Calories Carbs Fat Protein
                      Roundy's - Bacon, Regular Cut, Hardwood Smoked, Pan Fried, 4 slices 180 0 16 10
                      Roundy's - Cage Free Omega 3 Eggs, 3 egg (50g) 210 3 14 18
                      Smoothie, 1 serving(s) 179 30 1 16
                      Horizon Organic - Lowfat Milk (1%), 0.5 cup

                      Lunch
                      Roundy's - Organic Fat Free Milk, 0.5 cup 45 7 0 4
                      Quick Added Calories, 205 calories 205 0 0 0

                      Lunch
                      Ghirardelli - Dark Chocolate Square- 60% Cacao 7 g, 2.1 g 12 4 1 0
                      Roundy's - Organic Fat Free Milk, 0.5 cup 45 7 0 4
                      Quick Added Calories, 205 calories 205 0 0 0

                      262 11 1 4

                      Dinner
                      Our Best - 1/4 Pound Frozen All Beef Hamburger, 1 patty - 4 oz 330 0 28 18
                      Heinz - Ketchup, 0.5 tbsp (17g) 10 3 0 0

                      Totals 1,221 53 61 70



                      Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein

                      Roundy's - Bacon, Regular Cut, Hardwood Smoked, Pan Fried, 2 slices 90 0 8 5
                      Eggs - Fried (whole egg), 2 large 185 1 14 13
                      Taste.Com.Au - Vegetable Fritters, 1 fritter 330 11 30 0
                      Dyna Whey - Protein Powder, 1 scoop 115 1 0 27

                      Lunch
                      Generic - Almonds Raw Approximately 29 Kernels = 1 oz, 0.5 ounce 161 6 14 6

                      Dinner
                      Pistachios - Pistachio Nut In Shell, 1 cup (60 g) with shells 340 14 28 14
                      All Natural - Lean Ground Beef 93/7 16 oz (1 lb), 4 ounces 160 0 8 22

                      Totals 1,381 33 102 87


                      Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein
                      Heb - Pork Breakfast Sausage, 3 oz 240 2 20 12
                      Eggs - Fried (whole egg), 3 large 277 1 21 19
                      100% Whey Protein Whey Protein Isolate Powder Natural Flavor, 1 scoop 90 0 0 20
                      Roundy's - Organic Fat Free Milk, 2 cup 180 26 0 16

                      Lunch

                      Walmart - Pork Loin Chop Boneless, 4 ounces 130 0 5 23
                      Kale - Raw, 1 cup, chopped 34 7 0 2
                      Banana - Medium, 0.5 banana 118 g 45 14 0 1
                      100% Whey Protein Whey Protein Isolate Powder Natural Flavor, 0.5 scoop 45 0 0 10
                      Thai Kitchen - Coconut Milk, 0.25 container (1 7/10 cups ea.) 175 4 18 1
                      Sweet Baby Ray's - Sweet 'n Spicy Barbecue Sauce, 0.5 tbsp 18 4 0 0
                      Roundy's - Organic Fat Free Milk, 1 cup 90 13 0 8

                      Dinner

                      Steamed Broccoli, 0.67 cup 20 3 0 1
                      Roundy's - Sweet Cream Butter Unsalted, 0.5 Tbsp 50 0 6 0
                      Pork Loin Chop Boneless, 4 ounces 130 0 5 23
                      Dean's - Lowfat Chocolate Milk Chug, 1 bottle (236ml) 300 48 5 16

                      Totals 1,842 126 80 152

                      Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein
                      Roundy's - Cage Free Omega 3 Eggs, 3 egg (50g) 210 3 14 18
                      Heinz - Organic Ketchup, 0.5 tablespoon 10 3 0 0
                      Pork Breakfast Sausage, 4 oz 320 2 26 16
                      Dole - Banana 117 g, 58.5 g 53 15 0 1
                      Kale - Raw, 0.75 cup, chopped 25 5 0 2
                      100% Whey Protein Whey Protein Isolate Powder Natural Flavor, 0.5 scoop 45 0 0 10
                      Thai Kitchen - Coconut Milk, 0.25 container (1 7/10 cups ea.) 175 4 18 1

                      Lunch
                      Generic - Almonds Raw Approximately 29 Kernels = 1 oz, 0.5 ounce 161 6 14 6

                      Dinner
                      Dean's - Lowfat Chocolate Milk Chug, 1 bottle (236ml) 300 48 5 16
                      Our Best - 1/4 Pound Frozen All Beef Hamburger, 1 patty - 4 oz 330 0 28 18
                      Chicken Breast , 4 oz 180 1 4 37

                      Totals 1,809 87 109 125

                      Thanks for all the ideas / comments, my wife has spoiled me rotten over the last few years and cooked almost every meal so I am trying to learn how to cook so I can make meat as she is a vegetarian and is trying her best at making this diet work for her as well. So far we have started strong and intend to stay this way. We have been eating pretty healthy for awhile, but just now took the dive into the Primal way. Quinoa was a big part of our diet before along with rice, so any meal suggestions or suggestions as to what to eat or eat more of this or that are very welcome. Thanks guys, this website has been a great resource for us.

                      Oh yea, my name is Eric and I am 27, my wife is Lisa and 24

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                      • #12
                        If you work 2-10pm, when are you eating your meals? Your lunches are not real lunches, they're snacks. I would say that you probably want to try to eat twice a day, in the morning and before work, but that means meals that are big enough at both times, but this is also dependent on when you get up. If you get home at night and eat and then go to bed, you're probably going to be storing that food.
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                        • #13
                          I eat at 6 or 7 am with my wife, then I TRY to have lunch but usually not hungry enough to eat. Problem is once I get to work I don't get a break till 7 pm and by then I'm almost dead. I've been trying to eat around 4 pm at work but its not easy with what I do. I have 4 more days of this schedule ( M-Th of next week ) and then I'll be working 530-330 so it should be easier to eat on a schedule. I do not eat when I get home ( 10:30 pm ), just shower and straight to bed.

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                          • #14
                            Just for the next 4 days, could you not eat breakfast with your wife or just have something small? That way you would probably be hungry at lunchtime and you might last until 7pm.

                            That might tide you over until you change job

                            Sugar is my nicotine...

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                            • #15
                              The fat-free milk is spiking your blood sugar. Having just that or very little else for "lunch" explains why you're crashing hard a few hours later. Make breakfast smaller and have a bigger lunch with lots more protein and eliminate fat-free dairy entirely if you want to get off the insulin roller coaster.
                              Last edited by Danielle5690; 02-03-2012, 10:43 AM.

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