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  • Unforgiving high GI fruit cravings - am I doin it wrong?

    hi again!

    I've noticed that I have these really intense cravings for the higher GI fruits like oranges and grapes. I do not partake in the grape but the oranges are nearly impossible. They are locally grown and really impossible. I have been eating 80%-ish primal since June and thought by now the sweet tooth would be gone. Even the lower GI fruits call my name - especially local strawberries. I indulge every day in fruit as I feel this need to eat something sweet after I've had something fatty or salty. Is this remaining insulin insanity? Could it really be this long and drawn out? Since June I have had some failures. I mean, Christmas and Thanksgiving and the Mardi Gras king cake season and ugh but they were very few and far between. But I don't get cravings for traditional sweets and breads it's just fruit and it's unrelenting. Does this go away? I know it's hampering weight loss but on the good side it does nothing to curb my insane energy.
    thanks!
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    Have you tried cutting out sugar (including fruit) for some time (say a month) and seeing if that goes away? Every time you eat sugar, you are just feeding the cravings and they will come back. It could also indicate a yeast overgrowth in your system, in which case you REALLY need to cut out all sugar in order to kill off the yeast.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
      Have you tried cutting out sugar (including fruit) for some time (say a month) and seeing if that goes away? Every time you eat sugar, you are just feeding the cravings and they will come back. It could also indicate a yeast overgrowth in your system, in which case you REALLY need to cut out all sugar in order to kill off the yeast.
      What nameless said! As long as you feed the monster, you'll have the cravings. You don't have to hold back on the low GI ones. That's the whole idea. Meats, fish, fats, nuts, seed and lot's of colorful vegetables and fruit. The higher the GI the more glucose then insulin will be produced and the cravings will continue. Take 'em all out for awhile, then feel free with the lower GI ones in moderation.

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      • #4
        A bit of advice from what I've learned:

        A "sugar craving" isn't actually a craving for "sugar". What it really is is a craving for carbohydrate. Your body wants glucose - not fructose - but it can't crave starch because it's essentially flavorless, so it craves the most simple, essential flavor - sugar. If you're only listening to your tongue, you'll reach for something sweet when your body will be just as happy with starch since it's the carbs it actually wants.

        What I recommend is next time you have a sugar craving - and this is important - eat white rice or white potatoes. And it's very important you use either of these two. Don't use sweet potatoes because they still taste sweet. Don't reach for fruit. But don't ignore the sugar craving and try to tough it out. White potatoes and white rice are two of the purest forms of glucose available and contain virtually zero sugar. Killing your carb cravings with pure, sugarless starch will eventually get you off the "sugar" addiction. From there, it will be much easier to kill the carbohydrate addiction since it won't manifest as an intense craving for sweetness. It's very important that you do not ignore the crab cravings and feed them with white rice or white potatoes in order to get over sugar first. Just don't eat a lot. A cup of cooked white rice or a medium white potato is all you probably need, which will still make it very easy to keep it under 100g of carbs a day.
        Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 01-31-2012, 12:27 PM.
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        • #5
          i've come around to thinking that the fruit fear is almost totally overblown. don't be scared of oranges! or bananas! if you eat them at a meal, use them to replace something you otherwise would have had. i think people run into trouble when they simply start snacking on fruit, or eat it in addition to everything else they had planned. if you work it into the meal, i don't think it's a problem.

          my evolving take on this primal thing...
          Last edited by jakey; 01-31-2012, 12:45 PM. Reason: a missing 'y'

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jakey View Post
            i've come around to thinking that the fruit fear is almost totally overblown. don't be scared of oranges! or bananas! if you eat them at a meal, use them to replace something you otherwise would have had. i think people run into trouble when they simply start snacking on fruit, or eat it in addition to everything else they had planned. if you work it into the meal, i don't think it's a problem.

            my evolving take on this primal thing...
            You are 100% right dude. People should be eating as much fruit as they can, along with healthy meats and veggies, good oils. Some of us here get tired of they people who are afraid of fruit. It is just another obsession to eating that is not healthy.

            EAT YOUR FRUIT

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            • #7
              ^Yeah, it's not a made up thing. Sugar is an issue. I have a yeast overgrowth and have to avoid sugar as much as possible to kill it off. I can't speak for cravings personally because I tend to crave fatty things, and I've always had a "sweet tooth", and I think it's unlikely that I've always had a yeast overgrowth, but who knows.

              I'm not denying that some people get a bit fruit-phobic, but it is sugar, and some people do go overboard with it. Since the OP said she feels it's hampering weight loss, I assumed she was eating it to excess.
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              • #8
                Could be you are craving the Potassium!

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                • #9
                  I am eating it to excess haha (I say as I finish an apple) I just thought I could be on a vicious cycle.

                  I think this may be more psychological than anything. Hey and I didn't know that fruitophobia was common here. Good to know.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    A bit of advice from what I've learned:

                    A "sugar craving" isn't actually a craving for "sugar". What it really is is a craving for carbohydrate. Your body wants glucose - not fructose - but it can't crave starch because it's essentially flavorless, so it craves the most simple, essential flavor - sugar. If you're only listening to your tongue, you'll reach for something sweet when your body will be just as happy with starch since it's the carbs it actually wants.

                    What I recommend is next time you have a sugar craving - and this is important - eat white rice or white potatoes. And it's very important you use either of these two. Don't use sweet potatoes because they still taste sweet. Don't reach for fruit. But don't ignore the sugar craving and try to tough it out. White potatoes and white rice are two of the purest forms of glucose available and contain virtually zero sugar. Killing your carb cravings with pure, sugarless starch will eventually get you off the "sugar" addiction. From there, it will be much easier to kill the carbohydrate addiction since it won't manifest as an intense craving for sweetness. It's very important that you do not ignore the crab cravings and feed them with white rice or white potatoes in order to get over sugar first. Just don't eat a lot. A cup of cooked white rice or a medium white potato is all you probably need, which will still make it very easy to keep it under 100g of carbs a day.
                    This is very true.
                    Last summer I was a fruitaholic, buying baskets full of different fruits to last a month (yet I ate them all within a week).
                    When fall hit, and the fruit disappeared, I did not want to feed the long distance, out of state fruit monster. I bought a couple green apples from WA state and added white rice to my diet. The fruit cravings have completely stopped. On top of the milk craving. (No milk atm either since the goats are pregnant).

                    I just noticed the 2 oranges I have sitting in my fridge, I totally forgot all about them.
                    So it's true, you up your glucose and down goes your fructose cravings.

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                    • #11
                      I think I'm actually going to do that. I love fruit but my consumption of it is interfering with some fat trimmage I think. Maybe wild rice would be better? Instead of white rice?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by barefootbaby View Post
                        I think I'm actually going to do that. I love fruit but my consumption of it is interfering with some fat trimmage I think. Maybe wild rice would be better? Instead of white rice?
                        Wild rice is high in anti-nutrients. It makes no sense to me to use starch as a source of nutrition. All of it is low-nutrient. It is a source of glucose to me, nothing more, so the nutrition profile is meaningless to me. I care about the anti-nutrient profile, and white rice blows wild rice out of the water. It's pretty much the cleanest starch you can eat.
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                        • #13
                          I third the idea of adding some rice to tame the sugar monster based on my own experience. I cut out all grains and sugar per the Primal protocol and started getting uncontrollable sugar cravings the likes of which I would imagine only a drug or alcohol addict would experience. I tried everything. More fruit, more fat, coconut this or that until I finally gave in and just gorged on the dark chocolate. The result was simply more fat gain and worsening sugar cravings. Then I started eating a cup of white rice here and there (but not everyday) and I noticed that my sugar cravings and ravenous hunger went away significantly. I think some of us just don't do well on very low carb and need to have a little bit of starch. Listen to Choco, the dude has a wealth of knowledge when it comes to these things.

                          I don't know much about the candida issue but if the fruit cravings are not something you had before and coincide with the elimination of grains when you started PB, I'd try adding a bit of rice or potato and if the problem is not better after a week or two, might be worth looking into it.
                          Last edited by Fiji; 01-31-2012, 07:40 PM. Reason: typo

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                          • #14
                            I agree about adding the white rice.

                            Starch and fructose are processed very differently by the body and some individuals tolerate fructose better than others. Starch is much better for you on so many levels. If you want to optimise your blood sugar regulation, liver function and glycogen loading in your muscles, replace all fruit in your diet with vegetables or safe starch. It will also help increase muscle gain when carb-refeeding post-workout and improve quality of sleep. Focus starch intake on post-workout and evening meals.
                            F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                              A bit of advice from what I've learned:

                              A "sugar craving" isn't actually a craving for "sugar". What it really is is a craving for carbohydrate. Your body wants glucose - not fructose - but it can't crave starch because it's essentially flavorless, so it craves the most simple, essential flavor - sugar. If you're only listening to your tongue, you'll reach for something sweet when your body will be just as happy with starch since it's the carbs it actually wants.

                              What I recommend is next time you have a sugar craving - and this is important - eat white rice or white potatoes. And it's very important you use either of these two. Don't use sweet potatoes because they still taste sweet. Don't reach for fruit. But don't ignore the sugar craving and try to tough it out. White potatoes and white rice are two of the purest forms of glucose available and contain virtually zero sugar. Killing your carb cravings with pure, sugarless starch will eventually get you off the "sugar" addiction. From there, it will be much easier to kill the carbohydrate addiction since it won't manifest as an intense craving for sweetness. It's very important that you do not ignore the crab cravings and feed them with white rice or white potatoes in order to get over sugar first. Just don't eat a lot. A cup of cooked white rice or a medium white potato is all you probably need, which will still make it very easy to keep it under 100g of carbs a day.

                              Thank you so much. It makes all the sense in what concerns to my case!
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