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  • #16
    Originally posted by dboxing View Post
    You may want to check out this study:

    Low-fat, schmo-fat. Only the calories count - Health - Diet and nutrition - msnbc.com

    Notwithstanding that I agree we should feed children food as close to the earth as possible (meaning minimally processed), there is a big difference between the nutritional requirements of a child (growing and active) and those of an adult (grown and inactive).
    Oh hey guys! Been floating around but not posting. Anyway, I had to laugh at this because I've been fighting with some jackass "cardiologist" in the comments area all day for that article. Thought you'd enjoy it if you go look. I eventually had to give up, I don't have anymore time to devote to getting into the ins and outs of the drugs he was discussing. Still. Absolutely hilarious.

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    • #17
      I definitely agree with a few people around here that have a problem with the apparent condescension of calling others sheep or sheeple.

      Don't get me wrong, I understand the frustration that is felt due to the "unenlightened" masses that surround us every day, but really, aren't we all unenlightened? You and I may know more about diet and nutrition than most of people do, but I bet you take the mechanics word on the condition of your car after an accident, or an astronomer's word on how far the moon is away from the earth, or your grand mother's word on how to cook a perfect turkey. Just because you're listening to someone about a topic they supposedly know more about than you, does not make you some sort of human/ungulate hybrid. The same can be said for most people's understanding of health and nutrition. Thy learn about it from doctor's and the media, we can only work at changing the current paradigm, and hope that the work pays off.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by carlh View Post
        Angry post warning.

        I f*cking hate this condescension of calling people who don't agree with you "brainless sheep". It's so friggin' holier-than-thou. Instead of insulting people who haven't learned what you've learned why not show a little patience and compassion? Human society has it in its best interest for individuals to trust each other, yes, something akin to herd mentality. It's gotten us this far. For a lot of things that works. When things are wrong with that it takes time to change the way of thinking. It's got mass and it's got momentum. Anyway, the primal/paleo-whatever mindset is gaining in huge leaps and bounds recently. You know what probably 98% of people here did before they learned about primal/paleo? The standard 'merrikan diet. Then they learned this mindset and diet plan. It feels extremely hypocritical to rant about people (ugh, "sheeple") who are doing exactly what you were doing a year or two or five ago because they haven't kept up with you.
        Totally agree. In a way we could all be considered sheep for following the dietary advice we follow.
        We all pick and choose and have our biases to some extent, it always pays to be humble. No one is totally infallible.
        Last edited by J_walking_jonny; 02-01-2012, 03:23 AM.

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        • #19
          I keep telling her she needs to eat more fat, but it's like she pretends I didn't say it and proceeds to ask a different question instead of facing that one.
          You are not giving her the full advice. She also needs to stop eating grains and sugars. Not just toss more butter in her toast. This is not "eat fat" diet. This is the cut the grains and sugars and eat whole foods diet, and not worry about fat. If you happen to be eating SAD with more fat thrown in, you are not eating Primally- you are eating Southern....

          I'd ignore you too if you told me to eat more fat.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
            I think we're actually closer to lemmings than sheep. I mean, a long time ago I learned that birth defects can happen to the third generation. In other words, you can be affected by something your grandmother did. Well, when I was a child, diabetes was really uncommon and mostly something you got in childhood. Eventually I heard a lot about what was called "Adult Onset Diabetes". Seemed really common in the boomer generation. Now it's called Type II diabetes because children are getting it. There are lots of studies where the first generation is exposed to a bad substance, the 2nd generation is somewhat affected with birth defects or other problems, then the third or fourth is unable to reproduce. So now we have what used to be an adult disease happening in children. We have Low T commercials on TV. We have PCOS. Infertility treatments are common. So many problems with our hormones. How much you wanna bet the young people being born now find it very difficult to get pregnant 25 years from now? How much you wanna bet their children will find it almost impossible? A freakin' farmer could see something was up if he saw this sort of progression happening in his cattle or pigs but we can't see it in the human population? I'm not going to call people who can't see this trend sheeple or whatever. I wouldn't even expect anyone to link it to something as mundane as sugar and industrial seed oils. The first thought would be cancer-causing chemicals or GMO or something scary-sounding, not stuff associated with happiness and health. But you'd think university professors or doctors or SOMEBODY with brains would notice what is happening to us and figure it out.
            Children getting type 2 diabetes has everything to do with their diet NOW and not what their parents or grandparents ate. Please find me an active kid that isn't obese with type 2 diabetes. I don't think even one exists. As for fertility drugs being more prevalent now; I think that has more to do with people lacking patience than an actual issue. They talk about infertility in the Bible...this isn't some new phenomenon.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
              Children getting type 2 diabetes has everything to do with their diet NOW and not what their parents or grandparents ate. Please find me an active kid that isn't obese with type 2 diabetes. I don't think even one exists. As for fertility drugs being more prevalent now; I think that has more to do with people lacking patience than an actual issue. They talk about infertility in the Bible...this isn't some new phenomenon.
              Prof Marcus Pembrey's research has shown that epigenetic adaptations to counter environmental stressors are inherited and take several generations to return to base, even after that stressor is removed.

              Time to take epigenetic inheritance seriously

              http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v.../5201567a.html

              There is strong evidence that rationing during WW2 in the UK followed by post-war rationing has produced an inherited thrifty phenotype for subsequent generations. Thus inherited epigenetics can be a contributing factor to obesity and diabetes for some individuals at least.
              Last edited by paleo-bunny; 02-01-2012, 07:36 AM.
              F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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              • #22
                You know, what is disturbing is a rise of insulin resistance, cushings and hormonal disorders in horses. They used to be very uncommon and relegated to old horses. Now you see younger and younger horses inflicted. Mine was just diagnosed with hormone shortage (it manifested itself in anxiety with her, but other mainfestations include a lack of circulation to the feet causing issues, inability to lose weight, decrease in muscle, inability to put on muscle, anxiety, fatigue). Looking back, sweet feeds - with high sugar percentages- always set her off, so I focus on giving her higher protein/fat feeds.

                What's changed? Horses now get less activity- many are stalled and few have the hard work of a farm horse. And they are fed feeds that are concentrated in starches and soy products and they have in large part replaced a diet that used to be grass and hays, with some whole grains like oats, corn or bran fed to support work.

                Totally different system than humans, but a similar change to a diet more concentrated in sugar, starch and soy, coupled with an decrease in activity leads to a similar disease type.

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                • #23
                  Yes the diet has changed a lot as the diabetes has gotten younger, but don't forget what the 50s was like when people drank kool-aid and used margarine and it's not like we didn't have those things plus tons of packaged crap and fast-food in the 70s either. I ate a lot of pop-tarts and cereal with skim milk and sugar growing up. Don't forget about Tang. This dietary change has been going on for a while, and yes it has been increasing, but it has been a long time that people have not been eating real food because fake food (not to mention stuff like DDT) was associated with "Progress". When it first came out, it didn't seem to hurt people of my parent's generation. It hasn't harmed me as much as some of the younger folks on this forum. I've been eating the same dwarf hybrid wheat as everyone else my whole life. The harm seems to be accumulating. Even all those kids nearby me in wealthy Montecito with their pasty skin and pudgy bodies and vegan chefs don't look normal.
                  Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                  • #24
                    Putting a horse in a stall and feeding it granola is not ideal - but it's now the norm - so people automatically assume that it's fine - because everyone else is doing it. Again, that falls under sheep mentality.

                    It's always sheep mentality when you don't seek your own information and knowledge. When you just accept what's in front of you and have no drive to search deeper/broader.

                    Knowledge seekers are rare.

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