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  • I love Primal, but Primal doesn't love me :(

    A typical eating day:

    Breakfast:

    Either 2 eggs and 4 strips of bacon and a banana ( i have low potassium)
    OR
    Mixed Berry Protein Smoothie, Mixed Berry Smoothie w/out protein


    Lunch:

    Organic Nitrate Free Deli Roast Beef w/ avocado and mustard and veggie of the day
    OR
    Salad with feta or bleu cheese and oil/vinegar dressing ( various veggies added on occasion)

    Dinner:

    A meat such as pork, ground beef or chicken and a veggie
    Usually do crockpot meals, beanless chili, burger without the bun, ribs, pulled pork etc


    I usually snack on cashews, almonds or seeds and raisins

    Overendulge on dark chocolate some days.


    NOW HERE IS MY PROBLEM:

    I feel AWESOME! eating primal, i tend to still be hungry which is why i need to add more fats but otherwise I feel alot better but I went and had bloodwork and a 24 hr urine screening done ( because two months after being primal I had kidney stones) and I hae extremely high levels of oxalates and creatine in my body. I have done some research and basically in order to bring those levels down I have to not eat anything that I have written above. So basically long story short eating Primal has given me unhealthy levels of oxalates which could lead to further kidney problems......I dont want to abandone primal but I don't know what else to do .......Any suggestions !?!?!??! Thanks!

  • #2
    Having low potassium levels can cause kidney stones.

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    • #3
      How much are you hydrating? I would try a larger breakfast to see if that helps reduce the need for snacking.
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      • #4
        The food isn't the problem. The process that breaks down oxalates isn't working and that is the problem. You can still eat a Primal diet while you address this, just change the foods. For instance, where's the bone broth and fermented foods? Google for a list of low oxalate veggies. Research how to improve this process in your body instead of just blaming it on the food. this is my friend's blog:

        http://roosclues.blogspot.com/2009/1...late-diet.html
        http://roosclues.blogspot.com/2010/1...-of-foods.html
        http://roosclues.blogspot.com/2012/0...-starches.html
        Last edited by jkr; 01-31-2012, 11:25 AM.

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        • #5
          Mmmm. I had kidney stones after 4 months on primal. Mine are caused by high Uric Acid, and can be controlled by following a low-Purine diet; which rules out Primal!
          Purine table
          Wow was I disappointed! On top of that I have IBS and cannot eat coconut milk or a lot of fats.
          The point being that you need to listen to your body and do what is right by it. I still adhere to some Primal principals, by eating a whole-foods organic diet high in fresh vegetables and fruit, and I don't eat grains, legumes or dairy.

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          • #6
            So would a diet high in citrus fruits desolve the stones? or prevent them?

            I wonder why the organ meats and fish are the highest on the list for creating kidney stones....makes no sense. That means Neanderthals, Eskimos and the Masai all carry tons of stones...but ironically the primitive eskimo and masai are in perfect health.

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            • #7
              I find it hard to believe that 2 months of any diet would do that.... How can you be sure that it's not as a result of the previous years of eating and just happened to occur 2 months after switching to primal?

              Seems like saying "I switched to primal and 2 months later I had a heart attack, so I'm switching back to how I ate before?" to me. Makes no sense at all.

              Just my opinion though
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              • #8
                Meat & organs are not to blame for uric acid excess. Research this thoroughly; search the popular paleo sites for info on this. Excess carbs are to blame, and/or a dysfunctional inability to excrete. Usually the former, but look into the latter. We are made for organs.

                And since when is coconut bad for IBS? Coconut oil (not necessarily the milk) is crucial to restoring proper gut function when it has gone awry.
                5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
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                • #9
                  Just interjecting here to point out mushrooms are also a great source of potassium. As is broccoli and walnuts.

                  Throwing ideas out there for you to help you get the vitamin you need.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post
                    And since when is coconut bad for IBS? Coconut oil (not necessarily the milk) is crucial to restoring proper gut function when it has gone awry.
                    I think it's because it usually full of fiber. Regular coconut has plenty of it, and coconut flour is probably 100% made of it. They probably tell people to avoid it completely, even though they would be fine with coconut oil. There's also the old ''it's saturated fat you'll die'' refrain.

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                    • #11
                      Makes some sense out of the fact that coconut milk & coconut shreds are addictive and bloating for me. But I use coconut oil by the gallon and highly suggest it for all gut woes!
                      5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                      Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                      Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                      Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                      ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                      • #12
                        I developed kidney stones about 9 months after going primal. I have not rechecked my urine lately to see if I still have an oxalate problem. But I try to stay more hydrated and I take a potassium supplement now. I did read that vitamin D can increase your risk and I was taking tons of it without any K2.

                        I don't know what caused them for sure, or if I am still making more. For now, I am not changing my diet. My doctor told me that the diet stuff is very rarely found to actually have a real impact - she said it is mostly hydration. I take some apple cider vinegar every other day or so and take K2 or eat ghee with my vitamin D.

                        Kidney stones were pretty horrible. But nothing compares to how utterly awful I felt every day before going primal.
                        Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                        http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                        • #13
                          Excess calcium without sufficient Mg, D, and K2 can cause calcium stones. I had a kidney full of them (found the week I went grain-free for the first time, must have been building them for a long time!), but have had no episodes in the three years since then except two times I had very red urine with no pain, and one urinalysis showed crystals & trace blood (again, no pain). I suspect that the raw apple cider vinegar I take daily is dissolving them slowly and allowing them to pass harmlessly.
                          5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                          Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                          Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                          Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                          ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                          • #14
                            Misabi "I find it hard to believe that 2 months of any diet would do that.... How can you be sure that it's not as a result of the previous years of eating and just happened to occur 2 months after switching to primal?

                            Seems like saying "I switched to primal and 2 months later I had a heart attack, so I'm switching back to how I ate before?" to me. Makes no sense at all.

                            Just my opinion though"


                            I am not positive it is because of Primal, I just linked it to that because the foods that I am not allowed to eat are all foods that I started eating in large quantities as a part of the Primal diet. I don't want to switch back because I do feel great when not on grains, but I also do NOT want to pass another Kidney Stone or damage my kidneys and livers with the amounts of Oxalic Acid being produced in my body. My amounts are quadruple the normal range. I am looking for a way to alter the diet so that I can take care of the problem but not have to go back to SAD eating that's why I am on here asking for help.

                            As a result my doctor has me taking a Vitamin B6 supplement daily about 500mg
                            Besides that I take:

                            4,000IU Vitamin D ( I live in Buffalo, NY where the sun doesn't shine and no one goes outside in the winter)
                            1 Tablet Vitamin B- Complex
                            1 Tablet of Probiotic
                            1 Tablet of Magnesium 2 hours before bed

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                            • #15
                              Your supplement are not too far off of mine. I think taking D without K2 is an issue. You may want to get add a K2 supplement to that. I added one - it's only been 7 months but so far no more stones that I know of.
                              Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                              http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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