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  • Is there any kind of a basis to a "gluten free = risk" argument?

    I just a read in a seemingly nonsensical CW article this: "Penny Dellsperger, a dietitian at Coeliac NSW, said there were significant medical risks to people adopting gluten free diets without first ascertaining whether they suffered coeliac disease."

    Diets based on a grain of truth

    Is there any kind of rational, evidence supported argument that gluten free can be risky? The only thing I can think of is replacing your grains with something just as bad or worse.

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    That article is a bit airy-fairy. It mentions Celiac disease and it mentions that limiting gluten can help some other instances. They then give no reason for gluten being good for you....just the claim it is.
    I do agree with their point that if you are not Celiac and give up gluten and see improvements it is worth checking if there is some other problem just to be safe but that is not a reason to keep eating it.

    Read Wheat Belly (and many other supportive studies) if you have any more questions about the effects of gluten...nasty stuff.
    Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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    • #3
      Yeah, I read that and thought it was a very badly written article.
      So I pretty much ignored it.

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      • #4
        I actually thought that she might mean it was risky to assume that gluten was a problem when it might be something else causing the person's symptoms/issues. I didn't interpret what she said as meaning we have some physical need to eat gluten which would cause health problems for someone on a gluten free diet.

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        • #5
          My MIL, on advice from her doctor, eats gluten on weekends so she wont keel over and die if exposed to it by accident... *eye roll*

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Glamorama View Post
            My MIL, on advice from her doctor, eats gluten on weekends so she wont keel over and die if exposed to it by accident... *eye roll*
            Please tell me she does not have actual Celiac disease......if she does, her doctor is slowly killing her.
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            • #7
              This article does bring up an interesting question. Has any study been done to isolate the effects of gluten verses all the other toxic crap in wheat? I'm not about to try it myself, but I'd love to read about someone who did a primal diet + seitan. We've established that primal + rice can work for some people, primal + fermented soy can be okay for some people with n=1 trials. Anyone still doing wheat-based cheat meals want to switch to pure gluten for a bit and tell me what happens?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sroelofs View Post
                Yeah, I read that and thought it was a very badly written article.
                So I pretty much ignored it.
                +1
                Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

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                • #9
                  Traditional gluten-free diets that are rice-based are clearly associated with better health, e.g. Japanese, South-East Asian.

                  Gluten grains have traditionally been grown as a cheap source of calories to feed slaves/peasants/animals. Has the aristocracy ever eaten them in quantity, especially wholegrains? Nope.

                  That's all the evidence I would need, if I weren't obviously gluten intolerant.

                  A potential hazard is if one were forced to eat lots of gluten grains in the future due to hospitalization, living in a care home for the elderly etc. yes, it's possible that cutting out gluten could reduce tolerance. However, I'd opt for better health now.
                  F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                  • #10
                    That article does not provide one reason why avoiding gluten is a bad idea, as opposed to a possibly unneccessary idea. It acknowledges that medicine knows too little about non-celiac gluten intolerance, mentions some evidence that many people are helped by going gluten-free (including Djokovic!) even without a diagnosis of celiac.
                    In other words, it makes no sense - it advocates that people NOT try gluten-free while providing no actual reasons to not try it.
                    If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                      That article is a bit airy-fairy. It mentions Celiac disease and it mentions that limiting gluten can help some other instances. They then give no reason for gluten being good for you....just the claim it is.
                      I do agree with their point that if you are not Celiac and give up gluten and see improvements it is worth checking if there is some other problem just to be safe but that is not a reason to keep eating it.

                      Read Wheat Belly (and many other supportive studies) if you have any more questions about the effects of gluten...nasty stuff.
                      Books like "wheat belly" and Taubes' garbage that seem to go against everything that 95% of the established scientific community believes are propaganda pieces.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
                        Books like "wheat belly" and Taubes' garbage that seem to go against everything that 95% of the established scientific community believes are propaganda pieces.
                        95% of the established scientific community has never questioned the dogma that wholegrains are good for you.
                        F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                          95% of the established scientific community has never questioned the dogma that wholegrains are good for you.
                          +1

                          Especially when you consider that 95% of the established scientific communities work is based around government recommendations that were based on the work of Ancel Keys who cherry picked his data to support his flawed lipid hypothesis condemning a whole generation.

                          “Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.”
                          ― Leo Tolstoy
                          Last edited by Dirlot; 01-30-2012, 07:29 AM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                            +1

                            Especially when you consider that 95% of the established scientific communities work is based around government recommendations that were based on the work of Ancel Keys who cherry picked his data to support his flawed lipid hypothesis condemning a whole generation.

                            “Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.”
                            ― Leo Tolstoy
                            Indeed.

                            I was earwigging part of a nearby conversation while I was out the other night. It went something along the lines of 'We found that children eating wholegrains as a regular part of a meal had a higher incidence of calcium deficiency. After doing some research I discovered that it's common knowledge that substances in wholegrains block absorption of calcium. Now I don't know what to do about it.' I didn't catch what the response of her friend was. Then the subject changed.

                            I'm guessing this was a medical researcher speaking - she sounded very educated and articulate. If so, what are the chances of her putting her whole career on the line by publishing this observation?
                            Last edited by paleo-bunny; 01-30-2012, 07:46 AM.
                            F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                            • #15
                              Here is a one page article on what gluten can do for you written by Mike Roussell. Its pretty convincing that it is nasty stuff and I only found out that I have problems with it once I gave it up and tried it again (why is pizza so good? lol).
                              link

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