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  • The end of Illness? (Maclean's article)

    Hi everyone,

    I recently stumbled accross this article (The end of illness? - Health - Macleans.ca) and thought I would post it here to see what others think of it.

    I'm most interested in his idea behind ditching vitamins. I take Mark's Advanced Health Formula as well as his Omega 3's. I get quite a few people telling me I'm effectively paying for expensive urine -- is this really the case? I think I feel better on the vitamins compared to off but could that be some sort of placebo effect?

    I don't care much about this guy's opinion since he seems to push the use of statins but I thought it might be a good discussion piece.

    Any opinions on this?

    Thanks for any input you might have!
    --Chris
    Living the primal lifestyle and loving it! On a constant quest of optimal health and living life to the fullest :-).

    You can have excuses or results -- not both.

  • #2
    Seems like pills would be the antithesis of a Groking lifestyle.

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    • #3
      His push for statins set off alarm bells in my head. See Mike Eades on the subject of statins and diabetes. The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D. Ľ Statins and diabetes

      Statins are dangerous. The fact that they are being so heavily promoted for well populations, including children, is frightening. At some point, I think we have to ask ourselves, Is it just greed, or stupidity, or is someone TRYING to make us all sick?
      Last edited by Martha; 01-24-2012, 12:03 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Martha View Post
        His push for statins set off alarm bells in my head. See Mike Eades on the subject of statins and diabetes. The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D. Ľ Statins and diabetes

        Statins are dangerous. The fact that they are being so heavily promoted for well populations, including children, is frightening. At some point, I think we have to ask ourselves, Is it just greed, or stupidity, or is someone TRYING to make us all sick?
        I vote greed.

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        • #5
          Not only the use of statins but also the use of vaccines. I never had the flu vaccine and never had the flu either. Yet there are many people I know who get their shots and still end up sick winterlong. They are in chronic state of inflammation and I am not.

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          • #6
            re: vitamin supplementation, it's very similar to Cordain's chapter on the same subject in "The Paleo Answer", and they each reference similar, if not identical, studies. Though Cordain does advocate Fish Oil and Vit D.

            I'm in that boat as well. I no longer take a multi-vit or individual supps either.

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            • #7
              Yeah I think I'll just stick with my fish oil. I always felt that popping 8 pills a day was a little....un-grok like!
              I live in Winnipeg, MB (Canada) so I might add Vit D since our winters are extremely long and cold...

              I've always felt the same way around the flu vaccine -- never had one and I've never gotten sick. But I guess that's just what happens when you follow this lifestyle :-).
              Living the primal lifestyle and loving it! On a constant quest of optimal health and living life to the fullest :-).

              You can have excuses or results -- not both.

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              • #8
                Knowing full well that Iím about to get hit with unending posts about the evils of statins, why are people, who would have dropped dead from heart disease 30 years ago, living so much longer? Numerous people with history of heart disease, the granddad died at 50 of heart problems, the dad died at 55 from heart problems, now the son, who according to Primal would be eating worse than the two previous generations because he follows CW, takes statins and is presently 75. How does this happen?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dboxing View Post
                  Knowing full well that Iím about to get hit with unending posts about the evils of statins, why are people, who would have dropped dead from heart disease 30 years ago, living so much longer? Numerous people with history of heart disease, the granddad died at 50 of heart problems, the dad died at 55 from heart problems, now the son, who according to Primal would be eating worse than the two previous generations because he follows CW, takes statins and is presently 75. How does this happen?
                  Statins have not been shown to provide ANY benefit to women AT ALL, and none to men who do not already suffer from heart disease. The benefit to this last group is minimal. As with all prescription drugs, there are side effects, one of which appears to be a greatly increased risk of diabetes. No thanks.

                  In your example, you assume the increased longevity is solely due to the statins. Odds are, he has also undergone multiple bypass operations and takes so many prescription meds he has a hard time keeping track of them. He is very overweight and his activities are limited. He is alive but he is not healthy.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dboxing View Post
                    Knowing full well that I’m about to get hit with unending posts about the evils of statins, why are people, who would have dropped dead from heart disease 30 years ago, living so much longer? Numerous people with history of heart disease, the granddad died at 50 of heart problems, the dad died at 55 from heart problems, now the son, who according to Primal would be eating worse than the two previous generations because he follows CW, takes statins and is presently 75. How does this happen?
                    The dramatic drop in smoking, excessive drinking and acute stress(am I going to eat tomorrow) come to mind, though it's likely an extremely complicated answer.
                    Lifting Journal

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                    • #11
                      i ended illness in 1990.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Martha View Post
                        Statins have not been shown to provide ANY benefit to women AT ALL, and none to men who do not already suffer from heart disease. The benefit to this last group is minimal. As with all prescription drugs, there are side effects, one of which appears to be a greatly increased risk of diabetes. No thanks.

                        In your example, you assume the increased longevity is solely due to the statins. Odds are, he has also undergone multiple bypass operations and takes so many prescription meds he has a hard time keeping track of them. He is very overweight and his activities are limited. He is alive but he is not healthy.
                        While it could be a hypothetical (because this has been the case for thousands of people), in this case it is not. So, no, he is not overweight. He is fairly active. He has had a bypass, however that was 20 years ago, with the promise that he would need another in 10 years, but the statins (per the cardiologist) have allowed him to put it off indefinitely. He is alive and moderately healthy (retired airline pilot, but having a second career as a photographer). Again, he has added 20-25 years as compared with the other men in his family (whose diets would no doubt be more Primal). And, no, none of them smoked (although he has a cigar now and then). Take this case and multiply it by most of his buddies as well. I’ve just heard too many doctors say that if it was not for statins these people would be dead to think that they aren’t helpful to some degree (obviously in accordance with the applicable health conditions).

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