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    Seems like we all agree the carbohydrates is the reason we gain weight, get fat, etc.

    Raw foodists eat enormous amounts of fruit (think 15-20 bananas a day), but most of them still loose weight. Why is that?

    As far as I know, most fruit contains lots of carbohydrates, so shouldn't raw foodists gain weight instead of loosing it?

    Thanks,
    Mads

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    fruitarians eat 15-3000 bananas a day, raw foodists eat a lot of raw vegetables and fruit

    my guess is it's because their bodies feed off their fat reserves, which is why everyone i saw on a fruitarian site were very thin (gorgeous skin, but i couldn't eat just fruit every day)

    the raw foodists i've seen have ranged from average body weight to chubby
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    • #3
      Shouldn't all the fruit give them the energy they need? As far as I can see, 30 bananas a day should be enough to supply you with energy to live a normal life (not saying it would be healthy, just saying it would be possible)

      If they get enough energy from the fruit, etc. they are eating, their bodies shouldn't feed off their fat reserves, but still, many of them loose weight.

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      • #4
        if you eat them spaced out, maybe. if you eat them all at once then usually there's a sugar crash, you eat more fruit, sugar crash, you eat more fruit, ad rinse repeat which is why i guess many of the people i saw were talking about the multiple pounds of fruit they ate every day. i imagine diarrhea plays a part in that, as well as fruit being water for the most part

        i'm not a doctor, jim, but when the body doesn't get the nutrition it needs it will feed on itself, hence the very very lean fruitarians
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        • #5
          Carbs don't 'cause' us to gain weight. They just enable the body to more easily store excess calories. If there's no excess, there's no storage, and no weight gain.

          Many raw foodists eat sparingly and thus don't gain.

          Unless you're carb sensitive (as I happen to be) all those carbs don't necessarily stimulate your appetite and cause you to eat more. Many people manage to maintain an optimum weight on a high carb diet. It all depends on the individual's unique physiology.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by phixx View Post
            Seems like we all agree the carbohydrates is the reason we gain weight, get fat, etc.

            Raw foodists eat enormous amounts of fruit (think 15-20 bananas a day), but most of them still loose weight. Why is that?

            As far as I know, most fruit contains lots of carbohydrates, so shouldn't raw foodists gain weight instead of loosing it?

            Thanks,
            Mads
            No, excess calories is the reason we gain weight. Raw foodists LOSE weight because the calories are lower.
            The word LOOSE means something is not tight.

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            • #7
              a long time ago (in a galaxy far away) i attempted a raw vegan diet. i thought it would be good because it was environmentally sustainable. it went down something like this

              - I did lose some weight. at first, rapidly, probably from inflammation, and cutting breads etc. from my diet
              - after about a week, I felt really like ass. I thought i was "detoxing." My running, which I've been doing for 15+ years, essentially stopped. I decided people weren't made to run a lot and that I was getting "older" (i was in my early 20's)
              - after about a month I was gaining noticeable weight. this was despite eating very little.
              - after a few months, I could no longer wear all my clothes because i had gained so much. i started to get acne. waking in the morning felt awful. i was hungry all the time. i once calculated my daily protein at 7 grams. my daily carb count, on the other hand, was easily over 300. i again attributed this to getting "older." people made comments like, "you know, exercise is important." but all I wanted was to sleep. i would generally eat every day fruit, raw vegetables, and (this is not raw vegan) "envirokids cereal" in homemade almond milk.
              - i took a biogeochemistry class where something was mentioned like, "plants that are in nitrogen deficient soils store more carbon in their storage parts, roots, than in their active parts"... suddenly i thought, "i bet i'm "nitrogen deficient"". i began to eat protein again. first, only from tofu and soy powder. within a few months, i could wear some of my old clothes again. i was eating nearly 3x as many calories and massive amounts of artificial sweeteners, plus i had at least one meal a day at "yogurt extreme" frozen yogurt and i did not skimp on "healthy" toppings like candied fruits. just the addition of protein helped.
              - slowly i learned that sugar was not helping and reduced it (well other than what was found in fruit and trace amounts), replacing it with "better" alternatives like extremely fake protein powders from whey and soy. i lost more weight. i stopped going to yogurt extreme.
              - i learned i had really bad fasting blood sugar. i read the whole 30. i did the whole 30. at the end of whole 30 i promised to myself "i will get yogurt extreme"
              - by the end of whole 30 i decided i wanted to get new running shoes instead. during the 30 days i had gone from non-exerciser to running and lifting 3-5 times per week, even in our winter here in oregon, which uhm SUCKS
              - i never looked back. raw vegan may be sustainable for the planet. but it's not sustainable for me.

              in short-- raw vegan nearly ruined my health. it made me "thinner" for a week. i probably kept at it stubbornly for around... oh i guess about 6 months? it made me have to learn to be healthy and work to get "unfat" for almost a year and a half.
              just as background info: i grew up in a household where meat consumption was very high (my dad's idea of "snack" was go to the deli counter and get 1/2 lb of roast beef), and no one in my house was fat, nor was i. we all were fairly active-- walking, jogging, martial arts-- but not "sporty"-- so i'd say i am somewhat programmed to eat meat, but not really naturally athletic or sedentary.
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              • #8
                I guess having to run to the toilet on a regular basis must burn off a few extra calories.

                And yeast overgrowth in the gut will turn a lot of the fructose ingested into alcohol, so the liver and immune system have to work a lot harder.
                F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                • #9
                  raw foodists will also drop muscle mass fairly rapidly. weight.....can mean anything from fat,muscle to bone structure. i loose weight when i get my hair cut, however i dont loose fat.
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                  • #10
                    At a guess, a person who manages to adapt and survive and thrive on a frutarian or raw vegan, is genetically predisposed to thrive on carbs in the absence of meat. Most people would experience negative impact and will get off the diet. I would think the same holds true for other overly restrictive diets, be it 'yellow foods only', Zero carb, Atkins... what have you. My 2 cents. I like Primal/Paleo because it acknowledges the omnivorous nature and cuts out the stuff that is damaging.
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                    • #11
                      I wrote an article for a magazine about raw foodists. Did my interviews by phone. The people I interviewed went on and on about how they lost weight, felt great, looked great, etc.

                      Imagine my surprise when I see the final copy in the magazine, and the photos of the people look... horrible. One was still chunky (definitely overweight). Two had terrible skin and looked old, wrinkled and sickly (even though they shouldn't have at their young ages).

                      Seeing those pictures pretty much ended any ideas I had that raw foodists are healthy.
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                      • #12
                        I was thin when I tried a raw vegan diet, but I didn't feel as good as I do now, and it didn't resolve any of the minor health issues that Primal has for me. Once again, "skinny" is not the same as "healthy".

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                        • #13
                          I believe it is very difficult to get enough calories if all you eat is raw vegetables and fruit. Here is a chart of how much food you must eat to obtain 2000 calories: The Raw Vegan Paradox--Too Much Food Without Enough Calories

                          This is how many pounds you must eat to get 2000 calories of each kind of food
                          Code:
                          Category 	Kcal/lb. 	Lbs required
                          Common Veg. (avg.) 	100.00 	20.00
                          Sweet Fruit (avg.) 	300.00 	6.67 
                          Cucumbers 	58.97	33.92 
                          Tomatoes 		86.18	23.21 
                          Sprouted legumes (avg.) 	444.53	4.50 
                          Wheat, Sprouted 	898.13	2.23 
                          Avocados 	800.00	2.50 
                          Nuts Soaked / Sprouted 	1,250.0	1.60 
                          Nuts Dry 	2,500.0	0.80
                          So if you are not eating much avocados and nuts you are basically spending the day eating tens of pounds of food as if you were a gorilla. Of course nobody can actually eat that much food, so these folks are eating the rich saturated fat stored in their bodies. That's probably the only reason they look so healthy, at first anyway.
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                          • #14
                            I used to be part of a raw vegan community. Yes, the first impact of a raw food diet is that it makes you feel "terrific" - because you eliminate so much junk and allergens. But in the long run it made me terribly, terribly sick and I'm still trying to recover some of that (including my pancreas and insulin :-(

                            There's some raw foodists that are skinny. They also don't have any muscle mass. They look old and wrinkly. And then there's a whole crowd that either is still fighting weight gain with constant fasts or whatever, or the people who came into the whole game morbidly obese and are happily feeding off their bodies.

                            I think go raw all you want for a "cleanse" but it's just not sustainable. Body needs so much more than fruit and a few veggies.

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                            • #15
                              Lack of calories requires your body to feed on fat stores. Lack of protein requires your body to feed on muscles. Lack of minerals requires your body to feed on bones.

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