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  • #16
    Hi! I can relate to your suffering, my GB was a painful mess for a few years before I went Paleo..I didn't even know what Paleo WAS back then, ha ha...Every woman in my family over the age of 30 has had it out, I was not going that route. I flushed my system with copious amounts of fats, no grains, or sugar or dairy, actually I didn't eat for a week...I swear something rolled out under my hand while I had it pressed to my GB area doubled over from the pain. Ultrasound before surgery showed my GB to be happy and empty, no surgery for me!
    During all my research, I had a few dietary mishaps, that gave me pain...junk..ie dunkin donuts munchkins someone (horrid person) brought to work killed me for DAYS!! Why? I eat tons of fat...One of the forums I was on (not here) for GB issues had addressed how upper small intestine pain/inflammation (duh, grains/gross frankenfats) can be in close enough proximity to mimic GB pain. The fact that Drs love to just yank it, no questions asked, should let you in to how profitable a surgery this is.
    Pancreas issues are very serious, so do look into it!
    I'm going to have to back to researching it again, my little bro (age 36) is having a tough time with gut pain right now, he thought it was GB, but tests came back neg, He has gone gluten free before and felt better, but he has got it all wrong, he's drinking gluten free beer and making gluten free bread...sigh. He is allergic to lots of stuff....
    Good luck, be careful and keep us posted...and, yeah, don't eat the grains..

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    • #17
      The bodys reaction to things can also work on a scale. Like with being lactose intolerant, or allergic to things.

      As a child I drank milk and digested it fine, as I grew older I stopped digesting it so well up to the point where it began to make me sick and I stopped consuming it. Like most people who are lactose intolerant I became that way progressively as I aged.

      The same thing occurs with many allergies. A person can eat something like shellfish, it makes them fell very nauseous and spend a lot of time in the loo the first time. They figure it was just a "bug". Later they eat shellfish again and they develop a rash a vomit for a couple of days... at this point they have probably caught on. But maybe not. If they try to continue consuming the problem substance their face may swell and they may end up in the hospital in an emergency situation. After that, they had probably better carry an epi-pen around with them just in case they accidentally have a bit of crab in a stuffed mushroom.
      Each time the body comes into contact with an offensive substance it reacts a little more strongly. The same thing can and does happen with grains. The damage builds up, and the body tries to give you warnings.

      I take lactaid VERY rarely in order to enjoy a bit of something dairy. Usually eggnog between T'giving and X-mas. Other than that I have NO trouble avoiding dairy. I find that I can eat greek yogurt (especially if I buy it and let it get tangier for a week or two before eating it) and harder aged cheeses in small doses (just for flavoring, not large pieces) without any problems. But I still don't eat them daily. Maybe 2x per week.
      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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      • #18
        So this thing, could also happen if I eat other things like... potatoes or tomatoes? Or an apple? (raw apple seems to upset me, cooked seems ok)
        I guess if the pancreas is burned out of its enzymes, then it could be anything.


        So a little offtopic,
        if I take some enzymes, I could eat, say... ice cream?
        You might think this is silly, but I'm a little freaked out that I can't have any snacks. Not that I need to snack, I'm not hungry. If I were hungry, I could just eat a hard boiled egg, or bacon or something.

        But I'm a bit freaked out that I can't have a snack easily available at stores, say, when spontaneously deciding to watch a movie with a friend at their house. Movies are nice, but movies and a nice snack are much better :-)

        Even potato chips made me sick yesterday!

        *shrug*
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        • #19
          A good treat is a bowl of berries with heavy cream, either whipped or just poured over. Since berries aren't in season, I've been buying frozen blackberries and letting them thaw in a container in the fridge. They get a large pool of blackberry juice. I suppose if I wanted it sweeter I could put stevia on it or something, but I think they're great as is with a little cream.

          As for the allergic reaction issue, if you perhaps do have some kind of reaction to grains, wouldn't the reaction be systemic in nature? And if it's systemic, then it would have the ability to cause a reaction in your gall bladder. When people allergic to bees are stung and their tongues swell up, it isn't because they were stung on their tongues. It's a systemic allergic reaction. It kind of sounds like your body has decided your gall bladder is a good outlet for reactions. Kinda like me and my skin. If I'm going to have some kind of reaction to something, it's going to come out on my skin.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
            A good treat is a bowl of berries with heavy cream, either whipped or just poured over.
            Ah yes! I just posted that on my journal! Bought some frozen fruits today: apricots, blackberries, and strawberries.
            Milk upsets me too, so I think I will do whipped coconut milk instead. Cream and berries is such a treat, isn't it? <3
            As for the allergic reaction issue, if you perhaps do have some kind of reaction to grains, wouldn't the reaction be systemic in nature?
            Eek.. strange, didn't know grains could cause such a reaction. But honestly I think this could be that "limited pancreatic enzyme production" thing mentioned earlier, since this is happening with so many foods, and so suddenly... It seemed at first like it's just grains, but dairy, nuts, tomato, potatoes, and other things are causing trouble. I feel like a hypochondriac :P


            Sihana:

            Once the cows start being milked again, I'm definitely going to try raw milk again. I can hardly wait!
            I know I can fast while watching a movie, I'm not hungry at all. But I really like a snack (everyone does) when watching movies. Today I tried dried banana chips, which is something I can easily pick up while friends and I stop at a gas station or grocery store. I'll see how I react to those.

            I'm not even sure what kind of snack I could bring from home, and I got a long list of snacks ^^ Banana chips are crunchy so if I don't get sick tonight, that's probably going to become my staple.
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            • #21
              Pancreatitis - National Digestive Diseases Information Clearinghouse
              • Pancreatitis is inflammation of the pancreas, causing digestive enzymes to become active inside the pancreas and damage pancreatic tissue.
              Suddenly I'm not hungry anymore. I think I'm gonna be sick.
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              • #22
                There is a direct link between gluten intolerance, thyroid antibodies and gallbladder problems. Most people who react to gluten also react to other grains, esp. corn. So, you eat grains, it affects your thyroid, which then affects your gallbladder: Could Your Gallbladder Problem Be the Result of Hypothyroidism?

                Mystery solved
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by hazyjane View Post
                  Most people who react to gluten also react to other grains, esp. corn.
                  Didn't know that, thought gluten was only in wheat (unless there has been cross-contamination)
                  I have Grave's disease (hyperthyroidism) and I read that too can cause gallbladder problems.

                  So, you eat grains, it affects your thyroid, which then affects your gallbladder: Could Your Gallbladder Problem Be the Result of Hypothyroidism?
                  Mystery solved
                  I know that, but the reason I posted in the first place was because I wanted to know (as close as possible to scientific detail) what makes that happen.
                  If I asked you: "How do you fall asleep?", you might reply "I close my eyes and wait. Duh."
                  That much is obvious, but that's not what I'm asking, I would be trying to understand, in detail, what happens in your body for that makes it fall asleep.

                  The thing I quoted sort of explains why I have pain (pancreas, actually, not gallbladder) by saying that inflammation makes it so the digestive enzymes activate inside the pancreas, instead of coming out as they should.
                  Creeeeeeepy...! I'm a self-eating zombie...! Someone splash me with holy water!
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                  • #24
                    All I know is that the gallbladder doesn't empty its bile on grains.
                    Gallbladder responds to saturated fat.

                    When I was a kid I remember my belly and things under my rib cage making weird noises. Girgling, blubbery, cute and funny sounds together with a feeling of fresh mint and cleanliness (don't know how else to describe it).
                    As a teenager and then adult these cute little digestive sounds completely vanished.
                    It wasn't until I went primal that ALL of those sounds and bubbley feelings came back...together with that 'minty freshness'.

                    I'm guessing my glands have been awoken and are all doing a happy dance.
                    After 2 years of eating primally I had a bile duct/gland test done and it all came back perfect. Nothing is blocked.
                    It's too bad I have nothing to compare it to since I didn't have any blood work done prior to going primal.

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                    • #25
                      My question is (and only out of curiosity, I am not trying to find a cure. I'm not trying to find a diagnosis. I know the cure, stop eating grains) why I only get pain (whether or not I still have gallstones/sludge) when I eat grains a few days in a row.
                      So, from what I understand, after you eat grains, you body converts the protein. In unfortunate cases, your body has an inflammatory reaction to rid itself of these proteins, in very unfortunate cases, it mistakes some of the intestinal lining as enemy protein and attacks it, leading to "villus atrophy" or cropping off of the villi. This happens in the small intestine, which is responsible for producing CCK, the hormone that signals the gall bladder to contract and release bile. Then your gallbladder can't respond properly to fats.

                      Anyway - it may just take a little while (and repeated exposure) to ramp up the inflammatory reaction to where it causes enough small intestine damage to affect the gall bladder.
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