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    I'm pretty new to going Primal but so far I like it a lot. I'm a little confused about carbs from good sources, fruits especially, vs carbs from other sources. Aren't carbs carbs?

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    Carbs are carbs, but its what come with them, and how much of them, and how fast they hit your blood stream

    Sugar starch and fructose all work slightly differently. Grains come with horrendous things for you digestive system, whereas veggies come with lots of nutrition.

    Dont over complicate it! It just gives you headaches....
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      • #4
        Thanks for the feedback. I'm not trying to complicate anything. As I read about eating abundent fruits and vegetables I was just wondering how I can eat abundent fruits when most of them carry a big carb load? A good sized apple has a carb load of 24gm's. That's a big chunk out the target 100! I totally get the point that natural fruit carbs are better for you than grain or processed food carbs, I guess they all count the same though when you're shooting to stay under 100.

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        • #5
          If you focus on the abundant veggies you get a lot more bang for your carb count. For instance as opposed to an apple at 24g, a cup of broccoli or 2 cups of lettuce are each about 3g each. HTH
          Last edited by Alaska Ang; 01-10-2012, 08:13 AM.

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          • #6
            Paleo/primal tag line about abundant fruit and vegetables is really misleading. Abundant vegetables, yes, but fruit is really limited to 1-2 fruit a day max. I think it comes from the fact that most paleo authors are meat-loving males that do not have the same relationship with fruit that many of us do. For me 3 to 5 fruits a day was normal. It is actually super-high.... Unfortunately, one is better off without fruit.
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            • #7
              The fruit thing is really an individual thing. For example, some people eat 2 pieces of fruit and can't seem to lose weight, while both my husband and I eat A TON of both fruit and veggies, and we're both very lean. Just as an example, some days I eat a HUGE bowl of fruit as a meal (about 100 carbs from fruit) with another 20-30 carbs later that day from veggies.

              Some people on here are VERY limited in their fruit consumption, which is fine, but it doesn't need to be that way for everyone. I'd suggest just focusing on eating real, whole food - fruits, veggies, meat, fish, and don't worry about counting carbs, at least not until you've gotten used to eating this way, and want to change things up a little. My opinion is that fruit is really beneficial, and if you can eat 4-5 servings of it a day and reach your goal, why start off by restricting too much? You can always cut back later if you feel the need.

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              • #8
                From where I stand - if you're trying to actively lose weight limit the fruit and starchy veggies. Once you're at a good place or if you're OK with losing slowly - enjoy them. I'm guessing like most other people, it wasn't that extra banana or sweet potato a day that got me to where I was in the first place. More like ben and jerrys, food prepared with cream of mushroom soup, oreos, pasta and doughnuts...... evil.

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                • #9
                  I agree with the ladies about fruit. I used to eat so much fruit, and I still eat one or 2 pieces a day, keeping within the relevant carb ration (below 100 right now, usually c.70 - 80 but up to 150 occasionally). Mark has a list of fruit by carb/sugar content in his book (maybe online?) which might help you make sensible choices. One quick thing about apples though, I have found that cooking apples in the UK (bramleys) have less sugar in them, so I make up batches of apple sauce to keep in the fridge. I have approx 1/2 an apple per sitting which is only 6.7g carbs, with ground almonds or raw cream and cinnamon etc. Also if you eat your primal carbs with some form of protein it helps prevent the sharp blood sugar spike which is so fatigueing, e.g. banana in a protein shake, steak with your sweet pots, nuts with your applesauce.
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                  • #10
                    Thanks to all for the great advice! I was pretty sure I had the idea right, just wanted to make sure. I do not have any problem with eating Primal. I went off grains and legumes cold turkey without a hitch. I've got the 4 level exercise program going and feeling very good. I'm being careful with what I eat just because I'm trying to adhere to the rules so that I get the most benefit from the program. I've found some great nutritional sites on-line and I'm tracking my daily intake. Once I've got a few months experience at this I think it'll all just flow naturally. Again, thanks for the great advice.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DaveN View Post
                      Thanks to all for the great advice! I was pretty sure I had the idea right, just wanted to make sure. I do not have any problem with eating Primal. I went off grains and legumes cold turkey without a hitch.
                      Absolute 1st post here so please excuse my ignorance, but does primal lump legumes in the same catagory as grains?
                      Used sparingly I would think legumes would be a pretty good source for fiber rich, nutricious foods (thus a "better" carbo, aka, glycemic index friendly food source option) and relatively easily found in organic forms while also being very affordable.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DaveN View Post
                        Thanks to all for the great advice! I was pretty sure I had the idea right, just wanted to make sure. I do not have any problem with eating Primal. I went off grains and legumes cold turkey without a hitch.
                        Absolute 1st post here so please excuse my ignorance, but does primal lump legumes in the same catagory as grains?
                        Used sparingly I would think legumes would be a pretty good source for fiber rich, nutricious foods (thus a "better" carbo, aka, glycemic index friendly food source option) and relatively easily found in organic forms while also being very affordable.

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                        • #13
                          I really like this post from Dr. Kurt Harris:

                          Archevore - Archevore Blog - No Such thing as a macronutrient part II - Carbohydrates*(revised)

                          As for legumes, they are generally avoided by most paleo/primal eaters. But again, it's not smart to throw out a whole category of food just because of botanical classification. Green beans for example are legumes, but they are mostly pod and very little bean so they aren't really bad for you. Also, properly prepared (soaked, pressure-cooked, as canned beans are) beans are kinda ok. They shouldn't be a staple, but they aren't as bad for you as wheat.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by karlkrass View Post
                            Absolute 1st post here so please excuse my ignorance, but does primal lump legumes in the same catagory as grains?
                            Used sparingly I would think legumes would be a pretty good source for fiber rich, nutricious foods (thus a "better" carbo, aka, glycemic index friendly food source option) and relatively easily found in organic forms while also being very affordable.

                            Cordain/Paleo advises to stear clear of legumes. Mark has written that in general he avoids legumes, but sometimes uses fermented soy (miso, tempeh, tamari) sparingly, and has green beans occasionally. Some people here are okay with those legumes, in limited amounts, or even eating well soaked/cooked beans on occasion.

                            From my reading, it seems that the proteins in legumes can be problematic and can contribute to autoimmune issues, so I avoid ALL forms of legumes - I just realized that 'guar gum' is a legume derivative, which is a common thickener in almond/coconut milk, so I gave them up

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