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  • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
    And on the bright side... a new set of healthy gut flora is pretty easy to recultivate with probiotics after the antibiotic medication has done it's job beating back the bad bugs so that your stomach can heal.
    It's a bit of a give and take process. Getting new healthy flora started post treatment is important in preventing recurrences.
    Agreed. I've had massive antibiotics in the past, beads implanted in my knee during reconstructive surgery, as well as heavy oral dosages before, during & post-operatively along w/ steroids to repress my immune system so grafted parts wouldn't be rejected. When it was all over, I regained my gut flora & all was well again in time. Ulcers are now curable with antibiotics, so why suffer & damage your health with leaky guts when you ought not to.
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    • Originally posted by Raiken3712 View Post
      Maybe I was imagining reading that there was such a thing as good H.pylori...oh well..I don't have it by the way..or I'm pretty sure I don't. No ulcer issues or anything...not sure what I said to make someone think that...oh well.
      It's not a matter of good or bad H. pylori. That said, where it is in the body will be important. See How Antibiotics Make You Fat | Mark's Daily Apple for the post that you were probably thinking of.
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      • Medscape: Medscape Access
        Interesting find. Looking for more..so much stuff out there.
        http://lifecarechiropractic.com/blog/2011/4-reasons-why-the-ulcer-bacteria-h-pylori-is-good-for-you/
        http://www.corecharity.org.uk/Helicobacter-pylori.html

        I tried googling this before and didn't get so much...I wonder if I used different terms or if its new...need to check dates on this stuff I guess.
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        • Originally posted by oxide View Post
          I know that MDA eschews conventional medicine, but ulcers is one thing that conventional medicine has figured out.
          Are you considering antibiotics for the H. Pylori?
          Yes, it's antibiotics, but how much worse can it be than an ulcer?
          My wife cured her ulcer and got rid of the H. Pylori with manuka honey. Manuka honey is from New Zealand and is very strong. She ate so much she has not gotten back to eating honey any longer.
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          • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
            You are reported again ! Lets hope the administrator revokes your membership for being INSULTING, RUDE and a WiseGuy.

            IMO, the administrator needs to start revoking a lot of memberships to eliminate all the RUDENESS that has taken over in this board.

            Grizz
            I agree. I'd start with banning you Grizz. Your behavior and treatment of people is atrocious. Look in the mirror, you are far nastier than anyone you've accused.
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            • Originally posted by ljbprrfmof View Post
              My wife cured her ulcer and got rid of the H. Pylori with manuka honey. Manuka honey is from New Zealand and is very strong. She ate so much she has not gotten back to eating honey any longer.
              Apparently Kanuka honey is even better. On the other hand, I'm not sure how easy it is to find, even in NZ. (http://mro.massey.ac.nz/handle/10179/2997)

              Edit: Add a link
              Last edited by Sceptic; 07-30-2012, 10:33 PM.
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              • Originally posted by oxide View Post
                If even the questioners of iodine are labeled trolls and filtered out, then what else is being filtered out? I don't know... because it's filtered out. There's enough evidence that Megadoses of iodine is not lethal, but that's about all I know. 2 mg is about 1 big piece of seaweed. I figure that's enough
                Curezone doesn't filter out people who question iodine. They just don't allow the incivility that is in this thread.

                Originally posted by Raiken3712 View Post
                What I would really like is a breakdown of the different good beneficial bacteria and where to find them. What they are good for etc..I'm guessing more information will be out there at some point...bacteria is an evolving science just like everything.

                Some yogurt has such and such cultures...while other yogurts have different ones...same with different cheeses, Kefir, Kombuncha etc.. etc.. I'd love to know more about what strains are most important and where to get them.
                I had the GI Effects test, which tells you what kinds of bacteria, yeast, or other organisms are in your gut. Here's a sample report:
                http://www.metametrix.com/files/test...unction-SR.pdf
                You can see the green zone is desirable, lower or higher is bad. You can have too much of the good bacteria, too.
                Here's the interpretive guide for the test, which explains about each bacterium: http://www.metametrix.com/files/test...Effects-IG.pdf

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                • Originally posted by oxide View Post
                  Before anyone deletes the thread, I MUST comment on this:



                  I find this extremely disturbing. EXTREMELY.

                  What if someone on Curezone tried an N=1 iodine protocol, and for some reason it didn't work for them, and they came back and say it didn't work? Would Curezone call them a "troll" and ban them? (Because, Grizz, this is exactly what you are threatening here.)

                  If that's what they do, then no wonder Curezone is full of success stories... because they filter out all the failures! Purposely hiding negative results, and then claiming that the positive results are "research," is dangerous, immoral, and possibly illegal. Haven't Pharma companies been sued for stuff like this?

                  Based on this comment alone, Curezone cannot be trusted.

                  Nor am I sure that putting in the disclaimer to take supplements -- as Grizz often does -- is sufficient.
                  Brilliant - I hadn't thought of this, but you are absolutely right. Positive discrimination, in effect.

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                  • Originally posted by Happy Paleo Girl View Post
                    Great stuff! That seals the deal for me. I'm going to make sure that I do the salt loading first thing in the morning, an hour or 2 before my iodine. I don't know if the comment by Monica999 that it increases bromide elimination 10 fold is backed up by anything, but Savegrace's story of his receptionist is enough to convince me that the salt is what I've been missing.
                    I've got the good pink himalayan stuff.
                    Do you have a blood pressure monitor? It might be a good plan to check your BP before starting the salt loading, and keep checking, just in case you are sensitive to salt. In my own case, my blood pressure shot up to the extent that I had to totally cut out salt - totally - to get it back down to safe levels. I don't say this to be alarmist - just as a safety net.

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                    • Originally posted by Sceptic View Post
                      Shouldn't a debate forum be for people interested in finding out the truth as opposed to just taking things on faith (either for or against)? We should ask questions and not be afraid of hearing the answers, because to do otherwise is to stick our heads in the sand. Perhaps iodine in large amount is injurious to the health over the long term. Perhaps not taking iodine in large amounts causes health issues in the long term. To avoid a rational debate is to ignore the possibility that our preconceptions are simply wrong. And that would be a mistake.
                      Exactly. But please note - if you post anything rational on this thread, you are likely to be labelled as a troll.... And your above post is eminently rational...

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                      • Originally posted by ElaineC View Post
                        I agree. I'd start with banning you Grizz. Your behavior and treatment of people is atrocious. Look in the mirror, you are far nastier than anyone you've accused.
                        Thanks Elaine! Needed to be said.

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                        • Originally posted by breadsauce View Post
                          Exactly. But please note - if you post anything rational on this thread, you are likely to be labelled as a troll.... And your above post is eminently rational...
                          Well we can't be having that, can we? Ad hominim attacks seem to be in fashion, and anyone who disagrees with me is clearly a rabid baby eating sugar snorting leper with bad breath, poor fashion sense, and acne. Probably as a result of using the wrong amount of iodine
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                          • Originally posted by Sceptic View Post
                            Well we can't be having that, can we? Ad hominim attacks seem to be in fashion, and anyone who disagrees with me is clearly a rabid baby eating sugar snorting leper with bad breath, poor fashion sense, and acne. Probably as a result of using the wrong amount of iodine
                            I was actually agreeing with you...! I think your comment is totally right.

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                            • Originally posted by breadsauce View Post
                              I was actually agreeing with you...! I think your comment is totally right.
                              I know. And I was exercising what passes for my sense of humour
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                              • Originally posted by Sceptic View Post
                                Would potassium chloride be effective for flushing out the bromides etc? If the sodium content is the main factor in upping blood pressure (which I wouldn't necessarily bet on, but still...), and the chlorine content is what's displacing the bromine and helping to flush it out, then presumably it would be a slightly safer alternative for those who can't handle an increased sodium intake.
                                I saw someone saying on Curezone that it's the chloride that flushes the bromine, & I've seen it mentioned here a few times, but not with any references that I recall. The trouble is the only study I've seen on the subject concludes that it's the sodium doing the flushing, not the chloride http://www.biomed.cas.cz/physiolres/pdf/54/54_639.pdf

                                Originally posted by Sceptic View Post
                                Plus, I vaguely recall reading something about increased potassium intake lowering blood pressure.
                                Indeed. Bananas are often recommended for lowering blood pressure due to their potassium content. This is quite interesting http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...00474-0081.pdf

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