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  • Originally posted by Radialhead View Post
    1) You have pushed the use of ATP Cofactors hard though, presumably because Brownstein does?

    2) Exactly. And the Brownstein protocol recommends the highest doses as far as I'm aware.
    1) I have not pushed ATP Cofactors. Dr. Brownstein suggests ATP cofactors as a replacement for Vitamin B2 & B3.
    You can see all the details in Iodine References, chapter "Taking The Required Supplements" if you care to look.
    You can also save money by buying B2 & B3 instead of ATP Cofactors !
    http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

    2) If you don't like Dr. Brownstein, then what is your recommended alternative?
    Do you have anything at all to offer? If not, then stop complaining.

    Grizz

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    • Hi all,

      Please do not blame Grizz for making any comments about the Chemtrails. The fault is totally mine. I know that my wife, daughter and I are deficient in Vitamin D3. I choose to believe “anything” that contributes to people being made sick for profit is possible by most of the governments of the world.

      What I find strange is that NO one jumped on top of my post regarding the doctors giving me amiodarone which has high doses of iodine in it. Is it because a DOCTOR gave me a high dose Iodine medication without telling me to supplement with selenomethionine that made the high dose of iodine alright???!

      Besides radioactive iodine, amiodarone is the most toxic form of iodine one can take. I took it for over eight months and as I said, I later read that it can turn the skin permanently grey. So I stopped taking it on my own. I told my heart doctors the next month that I quit taking it and they just said: “okay”… It has a very LONG half life.

      Mark Hyman, MD: Vitamin D: Why You Are Probably NOT Getting Enough and How That Makes You Sick

      Debunking Chemtrail Debunkers - The Government's Quisling Shills

      I am NOT saying that ALL doctors are bad. But my belief that most Doctors KNOW all the right answers was blown apart when I had two separate heart attacks. And I was put on amiodarone and many other “medicines” that made me sicker than not taking “them.”

      Why did the British government NOT go with dronedarone a newer safer drug than amiodarone?
      This being the case, it might be instructive to examine the preliminary decision made by NICE last week to disallow the use of the new antiarrhythmic drug, dronedarone (Multaq, Sanofi-Aventis) for British patients with atrial fibrillation (AF). Dronedarone is a long-awaited drug, painfully developed and tested over a very long period of time, as a potential replacement for the drug amiodarone (which, despite its many drawbacks, is the most commonly prescribed antiarrhythmic drug for AF).
      AF is a common heart rhythm disturbance in the elderly and in patients with underlying heart disease. It can cause palpitations, dizziness, poor exercise tolerance and – because blood clots tend to form in fibrillating atria – often leads to stroke. Unfortunately, the antiarrhythmic drugs that are used to treat AF are either incompletely effective, or have potentially dangerous side effects, or both.
      Indeed, as a group, antiarrhythmic drugs tend to be only moderately effective, and are toxic and poorly tolerated. Worse, one of the very nasty side effects sported by most antiarrhythmic drugs is the propensity to produce (paradoxically), sudden death from cardiac arrhythmias – a phenomenon we electrophysiologists like to call “proarrhythmia,” since this seems a less unnerving term than “sudden death.”

      The reason amiodarone has become the most commonly used antiarrhythmic drug for AF is that it is measurably more effective than any of the other drugs, and better yet, tends not to cause proarrhythmia.

      However, if Satan had wanted to invent an antiarrhythmic drug, he would have invented amiodarone. There are at least three features of amiodarone that render it diabolical.

      First, as mentioned, the drug is obviously far more effective than other antiarrhythmic drugs, and does not cause proarrhythmia. So on its face, like most entrapping vices, it spins a certain appeal, one that lures doctors into using it far more blithely than they should.

      Second, amiodarone has bizarre pharmacokinetics. Before it becomes fully effective, amiodarone needs to completely saturate the tissues of the body. During this “loading period,” which is generally several weeks in duration, large doses are typically used. Once the drug is deemed to be loaded, a relatively small daily maintenance dose can be used. This is because amiodarone is not excreted from the body like most drugs are, by the kidneys or the liver. Instead, amiodarone likes to stay in the cells “forever,” and for practical purposes you get rid of it only through the normal shedding of your body’s cells, such as skin cells and gut cells. This means that once you are loaded with the stuff, it’s a part of you for a long, long time – just about forever. (Amiodarone can still be detected in the blood for at least a year after the last dose.) Once you are on amiodarone, you’re on it.

      And third, amiodarone has a unique and disturbing toxicity profile. Because it is stored in essentially every organ of the body, its side effects can affect almost any organ. And because amiodarone continues accumulating in your body as long as you continue taking it, the side effects can develop weeks, months, or even years after you begin the stuff. The side effects of amiodarone are almost too numerous to describe, but some of the more unique ones include:
      • Amiodarone commonly causes deposits to form on the cornea – often leading to “halo-vision,” where looking at bright lights at night is like looking at the moon on a foggy evening.
      • Amiodarone can cause a very striking and quite disfiguring blue-grey discoloration of the skin, generally in parts of the body exposed to the sun, producing an appearance which has been unkindly termed “Smurf syndrome.”
      • Amiodarone often greatly sensitizes the skin to sunlight, so that even trivial exposure can cause a nasty sunburn.
      • Amiodarone often causes thyroid disorders, both hypothyroidism (low thyroid) and hyperthyroidism (high thyroid). These thyroid problems are common with amiodarone, can be unusually difficult to recognize and treat, and are often disabling and even dangerous.
      • Amiodarone can cause neuropathy of the peripheral nerves, and more disturbingly, significant ataxia (a severe gait disturbance and loss of balance).
      • But the most serious side effect of amiodarone is pulmonary toxicity – lung disease. This can take several forms, from an acute respiratory distress syndrome that makes patients desperately ill, requires intensive care, and often results in death, to a more insidious, gradual, unnoticeable, “stiffening” of the lungs that both the doctor and patient can overlook until finally severe and irreversible lung damage is done.
      And of course, given the drug’s extremely long excretion period, if any of these side effects should occur (and one or more of them occur in at least 25 – 30% of people who take the drug), you may be living with them (if indeed you remain alive) for quite a while
      Amiodarone and NICE - NICE and Amiodarone

      Amiodarone (Cordarone, Pacerone): Not FDA-approved for A-Fib. Moderately effective for conversion from A-Fib to normal rhythm, but onset is slow. Good rate slowing in A-Fib. This is usually the last drug tried on patients because of its toxic side effects particularly in the lungs, thyroid, and liver. (Class III drug but it also blocks Sodium Channels like a Class I drug.)

      amiodarone (Cordarone) - drug class, medical uses, medication side effects, and drug interactions by MedicineNet.com

      P.S. My next post will be about toothpaste and how it almost put my daughter in the hospital. No theories, no speculation, just the TRUTH plain and simple that altered my view on fluoride in an event of pure terror.

      Something that is far reaching for anyone who has fluoride toothpaste in their homes. A safety issue indeed…!

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      • @Grizz: Quick question...I am quite sure you have answered it before. This is the dosage mentioned. Do I need to up all the rest (selenium, magnesium and ester-C) accordingly if I up the iodine? Only ATP co-factors is mentioned.

        * ½ tsp Natural Salt in water: Celtic Gray, Himalayan Pink, Hawaii Black, Redmonds Salt
        - - - If the sea salt is pure white, it is unacceptable ( minerals have been stripped out )
        * 200 mcg selenium (L-selenomethionine preferred)
        * 400 mg Magnesium - Glycinate preferred
        * 2,000mg Vitamin C - Ester-C preferred
        * ATP Cofactors caplets by Optomix - Take 1/2 caplet up to 25mg iodine, then one caplet for each 50 mg iodine

        By the way, thanks for your constant nagging/reminders/preaching in this forum (they stuck with me... you will see how later in my post), and the wonderful job of collating the iodine information. I do do my own research, but I never bother to organize and save them the way like you do. Sometimes I read and I forget (and the links are often lost). I often go through your resources and refresh stuff, I often use that as a jumping point to find more stuff that interests me.

        I read about iodine long time ago. And I long suspected that is ONE of the factors of my breast cyst and uterine fibroids. I also believe my diet and lifestyle and personality are contributing factors (another post altogether). I don't get enough iodine even though I'm from an Asian country, as our diets are very Westernized, but just perhaps more than a regular American.

        I read about iodine while thinking of ways to treat my fibroids (cos' I don't want any invasive surgeries). There was one time between 10-7 months ago, I tried taking iodoral at 100mg a day. No reaction -- nothing good and nothing bad. I dropped it cos' it was bothersome (became another pill to take).

        A few weeks ago after doing another round of research, I chanced upon this thread, I read it with interest. I found your instructions tough, mainly because I don't live in the US, and getting the right co-supplements are difficult. Thus, I usually don't do things to a T. But one day, I decided to just order the stuff from iHerb just to try out the protocol. I figured I gave it a chance.

        Long story short. The package took forever to arrive, so I experimented with 12.5mg Iodoral, and some of the stuff that I have. I already have selenium (so that's not a problem), Vit C. I found out that I had B6 (OK, don't scold me, that was the only Vit B I had at the moment -- I was already imagining you lecturing me while I pop them in), and oil of magnesium (I sprayed on myself everywhere liberally). Within 30 mins, I had a reaction... I realized that I was scratching my neck (on my left) unknowingly. Quickly, I stopped myself and looked in the mirror, the lower left part of the neck was pinkish. I realized that it MIGHT be my thyroid reacting. Of course I stopped scratching and sprayed more mag oil and drank tons of salt water. The itch lessen and the pink faded. Then probably between 1 hr to 1.5 hours, I realized that my right side was itching. I looked into the mirror and realized that right side was pinkish and the line that connects to the left and right thyroid was pink too. Somehow I knew that it was working and that my thyroid loved the iodine (with the supplements). I also observed my pee was super brown (and that's even after drinking lots of salt water). My hands and feet are no longer cold. FYI, I had NO reaction when I took 100 mg/day months ago. Through this experiment, I felt that it confirmed that I was iodine deficient.

        Anyway, I did that on and off for the last week -- didn't want to overdo it since I my co-factors and mag gylcinate haven't arrived. The good news is I got home just now and found that my package have finally arrived after 2.5 weeks.

        Just want to let you know that I taken the recommended dosage! I am confident that I wouldn't die from iodine toxification -- I have once eaten a huge bowl of kelp vegetable soup last week while dosing on 12.5mg/day and doing Lugol's iodine painting on my breasts (cysts are still there but they are no longer painful). Iodine is water soluble, and excess of it is peed out.

        Of course, there are other diet, nutritional and lifestyle changes that I've implemented over the last 6 months that helped me tremendously. I have done several detox (liver cleanse) under the watchful eyes of my naturopath/ physiotherapist. Right now, I am confident iodine is one of the critical missing puzzle, and it is the right time to do it as I feel that the detox prepared my body and system to absorb and metabolize the iodine and co-supplements better. The only negative side effect is that I find that my hair is shedding more than I would like to -- which I think it might be the selenium. I wonder if that's a detox reaction.

        On reflection, I realized that I was exposing myself to tons of chemicals unknowingly (you will be shocked at the rate I was using household cleaners etc), unhealthy food (fried chicken, ramen, non-organic meats and caffeine) and lifestyle. For instance I had BELIEVED that fluoride is an essential thing for my teeth because that's what my dentist told me and it supported by advertisements. Or how my government justified why it's necessary to have chlorine in the water. I have no reason to question them cos' I trusted them completely and I believed I had better things to do. (Oh by the way, I also believed that margarine and canola oil was better too!). Well of course, look what happened.

        The cysts and fibroids are a wake-up call. Even though cysts and fibroids do not necessary mean cancer, the probability of it is enough for me to want reverse it, naturally and holistically. This is just my experience and my journey to reclaim my health. Pure opinion, and no scientific backing behind it. Of course, I am still seeing my regular doctor. They are good for doing ultrasounds and such. In fact I am due for my half-yearly followup this Friday, although it might be too early to see any significant changes from iodine. Some people, including some family members, skeptical and wanted me to go for conventional medical procedure -- an operation. I've checked with the doc on it, she can't guarantee that the fibroids won't grow back. To me, this is NOT solving the root of the problem, it's just merely getting rid of the symptoms.
        Last edited by chahaya; 07-25-2012, 07:51 AM.

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        • Originally posted by breadsauce View Post
          And here we have it - you are recommending that people take the amount recommended by Dr Brownstein - 50 mg daily. Mega dose. Daily.

          The recommendations that I have read and feel safe with is no more than 1.1 mg, daily. Or about 7.7 per week. And yes, it is from a Doctor who recommends this.

          Forgotmylastusername is making a perfectly valid point - he is not saying people should take 5 bottles of Lugol's each day. He is saying that - IF YOU ARE RIGHT and any excess just moves to urine - then to do that once wouldn't cause harm.

          Personally, I wouldn't bet on that!
          What doctor? What is his name & where is the link to his protocol?
          What are his required co-supplements?

          Yes, everyone knows that I recommend the Dr. Brownstein protocol. So what?
          Now give us the details to your doctor & his protocol, and I will list it as an alternative in Iodine References.

          We are all waiting on bated breath for your answer..

          Grizz

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          • Originally posted by Owly View Post
            50mg is a mega-dose of iodine by accepted standards. The standard upper daily limit recommended by most sources is 1100mcg, or 1.1mg. Even when you look at iodine doses consumed in some places such as Japan where food source iodine intake is much higher, we see intakes of 1-3mg per day by the most recent research results (Assessment of Japanese iodine intake based on seaweed consumption in Japan: A literature-based analysis).

            I am wary of any protocol that would suggest dietary intakes vastly beyond what is found in a normal human diet even in a high-iodine region. You are talking about a dose approximately *fifty times* the suggested daily maximum for most people. Yes, higher doses are used to treat particular conditions such as fibrocystic breast disease (Iodine replacement in fibrocystic disease of the ... [Can J Surg. 1993] - PubMed - NCBI) but high doses do come with risks which are well documented in a sizeable body of peer-reviewed research, some of which I cited above.

            I am not opposed to iodine supplements, but I think the Brownstein protocol looks very risky in light of the journal articles I have read examining the risks of high doses of iodine. I am far more confident in the results of numerous controlled studies published in credible journals than I am in one internet doctor's advice.

            And you don't just pee out excess iodine. Iodine toxicity is real, and its symptoms can look very much like the "iodine detox" symptoms discussed on this thread. I worry that people are overdosing on iodine and then being led to believe that their symptoms are a sign that they're getting healthier when the "detox" is actually evidence of real harm being done to the body.
            I really wanted to bold all of this post, but time and again ^ this bold part comes into my mind. I must look at the multiple links you provided in a prior post, but for a while now I, too, read about the 'detox' effects listed by some folk and worry/wonder how many might possibly be caused by toxic levels of iodine. I hope other open-minded people discuss this, too.

            Thx for posting this, Owly.
            SW: 243
            CW: 177
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            • Here's a sensible alternative: take .5 to 1mg daily depending on the iodine level in your diet, or better, add additional iodine-containing foods such as seafood and seaweeds since we are all at least supposedly interested in a whole-foods diet around here. I don't need an elaborate protocol to do that--my doctor is absolutely supportive of eating more fish for your health.

              My suggestion is to not follow Brownstein simply because Grizz is pushing it. Go out, read real, peer-reviewed, properly conducted research (not just CureZone, for the love of little baby ducks!) and decide what you think is a safe dose. Talk to your doctor. Read information on both sides. Then decide if the Brownstein protocol seems like a good idea for you or if a more conservative approach seems safer and more sensible.

              Don't let a shouty man on a forum bully you into taking large doses of something just because one internet doctor says so. Do your research and realize that taking large quantities of anything may be problematic and should not be done without some significant research into the potential risks and benefits of a given treatment protocol.

              I don't take any prescription without thorough research of my own into the potential effects and an assessment of whether I am comfortable with those risks. I suggest anyone considering any "iodine protocol" do the same.
              “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

              Owly's Journal

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              • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                You are the one making reckless claims:
                * NO ONE recommends taking 5 bottles of iodine. That is YOU spouting off
                * NO ONE recommends "taking daily mega-doses of iodine" Dr. Brownstein recommends only 50mg daily
                * I recommend people starting iodine on extremely LOW DOSES
                - - - Mix 1 drop 2% Lugols into bottles of water, put the caps back on.
                - - - Week 1 drink 1 oz (~30ml) daily (about 380mcg iodone)
                - - - Week 2 drink 2 oz (~60ml) daily (about 775mcg iodine)
                - - - Week 3 drink 4 oz (~120ml) daily ( about 1.5mg iodine)
                - - - Week 4 drink 6 oz (~180ml) daily ( about 2.3mg iodine)
                - - - Week 5 drink 8 oz (~220ml) daily ( about 3.1 mg iodine or about 1 drop per day),
                - - - Week 6 drink 2 drops per day in a glass of water
                - - - Week 7 drink 3 drops per day in a glass of water
                - - - Week 8 drink 4 drops per day (about 12.5mg = to 1 iodoral)
                * Next, Titrate up with iodoral 12.5mg iodine tablets available at Amazon.Com
                - - - add 1/2 tablet each month to eventually reach 50mg daily-refer to Dr. Brownstein’s Book
                - - - 50mg Daily is the dosage target recommended by Dr. Brownstein to overcome toxins
                * If any detox symptoms appear do the salt flush and pulse dose. (all listed below)

                So, as you can see, all of your claims are DEAD WRONG

                Lets hear what YOUR advice is to newbees.
                * Which doctor protocol should they follow?
                * How do you recommend they get iodine into their body?
                * What is your recommended dosage?

                Grizz
                I was asking YOU if you thought 5 bottles is fine theoretically (which I'm obviously aware it is not) because you stated excess iodine just gets disposed of, which just isn't true.

                50mg IS a mega dose and I was asking you whether or not you have any evidence of the long term safety and effects of such dosages. It sounds as though you don't.
                My advice is to newbees - consult your doctor (an actual personal doctor face-to-face who's in a position to be diagnosing you and checking your medical background, not an online doctor you have never met who is in no position to be diagnosing you of anything) before considering high dosages way over the generally accepted tolerable and safe amount. Until then don't put your health into the hands of online doctors selling iodine supplements because this stuff can have serious and chronic side effects and shouldn't be haphazardly experimented with. If you aren't getting any dietary iodine take some kelp tablets like I do or other small dosages because high dosages can not only be extremely risky short term, but the long term effects seem to be unknown.
                I could easily see some easily influenced people who are new to this lifestyle who might start these iodine supplement protocols simply because they think that's what everyone on this forum is doing. Without knowing their medical background it could have disastrous health consequences for some.


                Originally posted by Owly View Post
                Here's a sensible alternative: take .5 to 1mg daily depending on the iodine level in your diet, or better, add additional iodine-containing foods such as seafood and seaweeds since we are all at least supposedly interested in a whole-foods diet around here. I don't need an elaborate protocol to do that--my doctor is absolutely supportive of eating more fish for your health.

                My suggestion is to not follow Brownstein simply because Grizz is pushing it. Go out, read real, peer-reviewed, properly conducted research (not just CureZone, for the love of little baby ducks!) and decide what you think is a safe dose. Talk to your doctor. Read information on both sides. Then decide if the Brownstein protocol seems like a good idea for you or if a more conservative approach seems safer and more sensible.

                Don't let a shouty man on a forum bully you into taking large doses of something just because one internet doctor says so. Do your research and realize that taking large quantities of anything may be problematic and should not be done without some significant research into the potential risks and benefits of a given treatment protocol.

                I don't take any prescription without thorough research of my own into the potential effects and an assessment of whether I am comfortable with those risks. I suggest anyone considering any "iodine protocol" do the same.
                ^This.
                Last edited by Forgotmylastusername; 07-25-2012, 08:20 AM.

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                • Originally posted by chahaya View Post
                  @Grizz: Quick question...I am quite sure you have answered it before. This is the dosage mentioned. Do I need to up all the rest (selenium, magnesium and ester-C) accordingly if I up the iodine? Only ATP co-factors is mentioned.

                  * ½ tsp Natural Salt in water: Celtic Gray, Himalayan Pink, Hawaii Black, Redmonds Salt
                  - - - If the sea salt is pure white, it is unacceptable ( minerals have been stripped out )
                  * 200 mcg selenium (L-selenomethionine preferred)
                  * 400 mg Magnesium - Glycinate preferred
                  * 2,000mg Vitamin C - Ester-C preferred
                  * ATP Cofactors caplets by Optomix - Take 1/2 caplet up to 25mg iodine, then one caplet for each 50 mg iodine

                  By the way, thanks for your constant nagging/reminders/preaching in this forum (they stuck with me... you will see how later in my post), and the wonderful job of collating the iodine information. I do do my own research, but I never bother to organize and save them the way like you do. Sometimes I read and I forget (and the links are often lost). I often go through your resources and refresh stuff, I often use that as a jumping point to find more stuff that interests me.

                  I read about iodine long time ago. And I long suspected that is ONE of the factors of my breast cyst and uterine fibroids. I also believe my diet and lifestyle and personality are contributing factors (another post altogether). I don't get enough iodine even though I'm from an Asian country, as our diets are very Westernized, but just perhaps more than a regular American.

                  I read about iodine while thinking of ways to treat my fibroids (cos' I don't want any invasive surgeries). There was one time between 10-7 months ago, I tried taking iodoral at 100mg a day. No reaction -- nothing good and nothing bad. I dropped it cos' it was bothersome (became another pill to take).

                  A few weeks ago after doing another round of research, I chanced upon this thread, I read it with interest. I found your instructions tough, mainly because I don't live in the US, and getting the right co-supplements are difficult. Thus, I usually don't do things to a T. But one day, I decided to just order the stuff from iHerb just to try out the protocol. I figured I gave it a chance.

                  Long story short. The package took forever to arrive, so I experimented with 12.5mg Iodoral, and some of the stuff that I have. I already have selenium (so that's not a problem), Vit C. I found out that I had B6 (OK, don't scold me, that was the only Vit B I had at the moment -- I was already imagining you lecturing me while I pop them in), and oil of magnesium (I sprayed on myself everywhere liberally). Within 30 mins, I had a reaction... I realized that I was scratching my neck (on my left) unknowingly. Quickly, I stopped myself and looked in the mirror, the lower left part of the neck was pinkish. I realized that it MIGHT be my thyroid reacting. Of course I stopped scratching and sprayed more mag oil and drank tons of salt water. The itch lessen and the pink faded. Then probably between 1 hr to 1.5 hours, I realized that my right side was itching. I looked into the mirror and realized that right side was pinkish and the line that connects to the left and right thyroid was pink too. Somehow I knew that it was working and that my thyroid loved the iodine (with the supplements). I also observed my pee was super brown (and that's even after drinking lots of salt water). My hands and feet are no longer cold. FYI, I had NO reaction when I took 100 mg/day months ago. Through this experiment, I felt that it confirmed that I was iodine deficient.

                  Anyway, I did that on and off for the last week -- didn't want to overdo it since I my co-factors and mag gylcinate haven't arrived. The good news is I got home just now and found that my package have finally arrived after 2.5 weeks.

                  Just want to let you know that I taken the recommended dosage! I am confident that I wouldn't die from iodine toxification -- I have once eaten a huge bowl of kelp vegetable soup last week while dosing on 12.5mg/day and doing Lugol's iodine painting on my breasts (cysts are still there but they are no longer painful). Iodine is water soluble, and excess of it is peed out.

                  Of course, there are other diet, nutritional and lifestyle changes that I've implemented over the last 6 months that helped me tremendously. I have done several detox (liver cleanse) under the watchful eyes of my naturopath/ physiotherapist. Right now, I am confident iodine is one of the critical missing puzzle, and it is the right time to do it as I feel that the detox prepared my body and system to absorb and metabolize the iodine and co-supplements better. The only negative side effect is that I find that my hair is shedding more than I would like to -- which I think it might be the selenium. I wonder if that's a detox reaction.

                  On reflection, I realized that I was exposing myself to tons of chemicals unknowingly (you will be shocked at the rate I was using household cleaners etc), unhealthy food (fried chicken, ramen, non-organic meats and caffeine) and lifestyle. For instance I had BELIEVED that fluoride is an essential thing for my teeth because that's what my dentist told me and it supported by advertisements. Or how my government justified why it's necessary to have chlorine in the water. I have no reason to question them cos' I trusted them completely and I believed I had better things to do. (Oh by the way, I also believed that margarine and canola oil was better too!). Well of course, look what happened.

                  The cysts and fibroids are a wake-up call. Even though cysts and fibroids do not necessary mean cancer, the probability of it is enough for me to want reverse it, naturally and holistically. This is just my experience and my journey to reclaim my health. Pure opinion, and no scientific backing behind it. Of course, I am still seeing my regular doctor. They are good for doing ultrasounds and such. In fact I am due for my half-yearly followup this Friday, although it might be too early to see any significant changes from iodine. Some people, including some family members, skeptical and wanted me to go for conventional medical procedure -- an operation. I've checked with the doc on it, she can't guarantee that the fibroids won't grow back. To me, this is NOT solving the root of the problem, it's just merely getting rid of the symptoms.
                  Chahaya,

                  Thank you so much for your wonderful & inspiring message. You are an inspiration for everyone. It is WONDERFUL to hear that your fibrocystic breast pain is GONE so quickly. That is typical for nearly everyone reporting back to us, as you can see in our Testimonials in Iodine References. Everyone also reports that their FBD lumps & bumps melt away within 2 or 3 months. Fibroids typically take far longer to clear up. See the Testimonials on Fibroids & Uterus for more details.

                  Now if only I can convince my daughter in law to start on iodine. She is the exact opposite of me.
                  * She is Democrat, I am Republican
                  * She LOVES Obummer, I despise Obummer
                  * She is a FAR LEFT liberal, I am a FAR RIGHT conservative
                  * She is a BIG SPENDER I am a saver
                  * I like FOX News, she HATES Fox news
                  So I'm afraid there is zero chance she will take my suggestion to start on iodine. I think she would rather get a double mastectomy than take any suggestions from me. I have convinced her sister to learn about iodine, so maybe she will listen to her sister, who is a retired nurse & retired drug salesman.

                  Please keep us informed of your progress. I would LOVE to put your story into our Testimonials.
                  Once again, many thanks for posting,
                  Grizz

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                  • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                    What doctor? What is his name & where is the link to his protocol?
                    What are his required co-supplements?

                    Yes, everyone knows that I recommend the Dr. Brownstein protocol. So what?
                    Now give us the details to your doctor & his protocol, and I will list it as an alternative in Iodine References.

                    We are all waiting on bated breath for your answer..

                    Grizz
                    I have posted my link twice already - you presumably haven't even bothered to read it. There are no co-factors - on sensibly small doses, none are needed bar good food and supplementing any vitamins or minerals which would show as being deficient on FitDay.

                    The requirement for co-factors on your chosen protocol - themselves WAY over the RDA - indicate to me how misguided such mega doses are. Those who are well and simply want to take small amounts of iodine to cover all bases do not need the Brownstein protocol or potentially toxic megadoses.

                    There are , incidentally, quite a number of REPUTABLE DOCTORS who recommend sensible doses of around 500mcg - 1.1 mg per day. 50 or more times lower than the doses you are recommending. Don't ask again who they are - do your own research - I and others have posted enough links which you totally ignore.

                    And to go back to the point which I KEEP making - you are happy with your system, and you have posted enough links for others to make up their own minds as to whether or not they take Iodine at all, and if so, in what doses, and what other sups they want to take.

                    You are happy being your own guinea pig. You don't have then authority to bully other people as you keep on doing. We are all grown ups on this forum, quite capable of making our own decisions based on the evidence available.

                    And if, over time, your system DOES prove to have been less than perfect, I shall feel great sympathy, as I am sure you are giving your advice with best interests in heart.
                    Last edited by breadsauce; 07-25-2012, 08:21 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
                      I was asking YOU if you thought 5 bottles is fine theoretically (which I'm obviously aware it is not) because you stated excess iodine just gets disposed of, which just isn't true.

                      50mg IS a mega dose and I was asking you whether or not you have any evidence of the long term safety and effects of such dosages. It sounds as though you don't.
                      My advice is to newbees - consult your doctor (an actual personal doctor face-to-face who's in a position to be diagnosing you and checking your medical background, not an online doctor you have never met who is in no position to be diagnosing you of anything) before considering high dosages way over the generally accepted tolerable and safe amount. Until then don't put your health into the hands of online doctors selling iodine supplements because this stuff can have serious and chronic side effects and shouldn't be haphazardly experimented with. If you aren't getting any dietary iodine take some kelp tablets like I do or other small dosages because high dosages can not only be extremely risky short term, but the long term effects seem to be unknown.
                      I suggest you take your complaints to Dr. Brownstein.

                      You need to re-read message #7
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                      So, as you can see, your advice and my advice are identical - SEE YOUR DOCTOR.
                      The same disclaimer is found in Iodine References & in the Iodine 101 post.

                      So, bottom line, you got nothing to offer in the way of a documented protocol, right?
                      All you have is never ending COMPLAINING
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                      Grizz

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                      • Originally posted by Grizz View Post


                        So, bottom line, you got nothing to offer in the way of a documented protocol, right?
                        All you have is never ending COMPLAINING
                        .
                        Grizz
                        He doesn't NEED a "documented protocol" taking SMALL amounts of iodine. They are small enough not to require co-factors. A sound and cautious approach.

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                        • Originally posted by breadsauce View Post
                          I have posted my link twice already - you presumably haven't even bothered to read it. There are no co-factors - on sensibly small doses, none are needed bar good food and supplementing any vitamins or minerals which would show as being deficient on FitDay.

                          There are , incidentally, quite a number of REPUTABLE DOCTORS who recommend sensible doses of around 500mcg - 1.1 mg per day. 50 or more times lower than the doses you are recommending.

                          You don't have then authority to bully other people as you keep on doing. We are all grown ups on this forum, quite capable of making our own decisions based on the evidence available.

                          And if, over time, your system DOES prove to have been less than perfect, I shall feel great sympathy, as I am sure you are giving your advice with best interests in heart.
                          Breadsauce,
                          OK, your protocol is not more than 1mg of iodine and ZERO co-supplements. Now we know. I say go ahead and do your thing your way.

                          That is what I tell everyone. Do it YOUR WAY at your own risk. And read the disclaimer.

                          So you go ahead and promote YOUR protocol and I will continue promoting the Dr. Brownstein protocol. Any approach that gets iodine into your body is a good approach (at your own risk & see your doctor)

                          Now stop complaining. You are irritating all of our members with your never ending complaining. We agree to disagree. You are the Low Dose Champion and I am the Dr. Brownstien follower. OK?

                          Grizz

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                          • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                            If you don't like Dr. Brownstein, then what is your recommended alternative?
                            I'm not going to recommend a 'protocol', if that's what you're asking. I don't have the data to know what does & doesn't work, & don't currently have the time to search for that data, other than what I already provided about how much iodine the Japanese get in their diet.

                            Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                            Do you have anything at all to offer?
                            Yes - like the other 'trolls', I'm offering a bit of sanity.

                            Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                            If not, then stop complaining.
                            Makes a change from being called a troll I suppose. You really, really don't like people disagreeing with you do you?

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                            • Originally posted by breadsauce View Post
                              He doesn't NEED a "documented protocol" taking SMALL amounts of iodine. They are small enough not to require co-factors. A sound and cautious approach.
                              I see problems with your protocol.

                              1) Your advice of 1mg iodine is never going to detox anyone of the bromide, fluoride & chlorine toxins accumulated over the years.
                              2) I seriously doubt that such a small amount of iodine will cure anyone's Fibrocystic Breasts.

                              But that is your choice so go ahead and do your own thing.

                              TO EACH THEIR OWN

                              NOW stop complaining about those of us who choose to follow the Dr. Brownstein Protocol.
                              You are the Low Dose Champion & I am in support of Dr. Brownstein.

                              Grizz

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                              • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                                I see problems with your protocol.

                                1) Your advice of 1mg iodine is never going to detox anyone of the bromide, fluoride & chlorine toxins accumulated over the years.
                                2) I seriously doubt that such a small amount of iodine will cure anyone's Fibrocystic Breasts.

                                But that is your choice so go ahead and do your own thing.

                                TO EACH THEIR OWN

                                NOW stop complaining about those of us who choose to follow the Dr. Brownstein Protocol.
                                You are the Low Dose Champion & I am in support of Dr. Brownstein.

                                Grizz
                                From what I have read - and it is on the links that I have provided - a dose as low as 500 mcg daily will saturate the thyroid within a couple of weeks and then gradually replace the other halides in the body with iodine. So yes, it will work, and without taking risks with my health.

                                I am in fact taking slightly more than this - about 10 mg per week in total - and my iodine paint patch test lasts almost 24 hours now. And as it was you who pointed me towards the patch test many, many posts ago, when you used to bang on about that, then you'll have to admit that my low dosage seems to be working admirably.

                                Incidentally, your habit of writing things in huge letters, bold, is effectively yelling and ranting. Not polite - you are irritating LOTS of people on this thread and I think it is time you learned to stop this trolling behaviour.

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