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  • Originally posted by t2t View Post
    Hi Breadsauce,

    This is great to hear that your psoriasis has abated…!

    BTW K2 mk4 is wonderful for the skin also! One to
    3 MILLIgrams a day seems to work great for many people
    across the net and with a tad (micrograms) of K2 mk7 too
    from blogs I have read.

    t2t
    t2t, having re- read two threads about K2 (I've posted them up for Gwynn) I am almost convinced that the improvements in my skin, like the last bits of psoriasis going, are more likely due to K2 mk 4 / vitamin D3 / vitamin A working together than my (small) doses of Lugol's.

    It is so hard to be sure what is achieving just which effects! But so long as it IS working - I'm happy!

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    • Originally Posted by Hoss2626
      I am wondering how higher doses of Iodine can push out the "heavier" elements (flouride, bromide) when they are described as pushing out Iodine. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I am sure my understanding is flawed.
      Originally posted by winencandy View Post
      Good question. Can anyone answer it?
      Simplified version: we need to take in more iodine than we take in halogen chemicals. We live in a sea of halogen chemicals consisting of bromide in food, fluorides & chlorine in water. Most common products include these chemicals including toothpaste, hair dye, carpeting, bread, milk, that "New Car Smell," and much more. Dr. Brownstein says that we need 50mg of iodine daily to offset all of these chemicals and we need more than 50mg to expedite detox. The main reason for taking the required co-supplements is to expedite getting iodine into the cells and getting toxins out of the cells and to protect the thyroid from damage.

      You will find complete details in the Iodine References, chapter "Detox & Chemical Poisons Articles"
      http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

      Grizz

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      • Back from our trip to Michigan. Good News & Bad News.

        The new house they bought is simply stunning, 5,000 sq ft with finished basement, and way too many rooms for just 2 people & a 2 yr old located in a great neighborhood & very close to shopping, school. Simply amazing.

        Bad News, our daughter-in-law has painful fibrocystic breasts and is scared to death because her mother died of breast cancer. Unfortunately she refuses to listen to anything anyone says. Unless her doctor tells her to do something, she is just not going to do it. So getting her to take iodine is going to be a tough challenge. Fortunately, her sister was a nurse and extremely sharp and has agreed to study iodine on her sister's behalf. And we know what doctors prescribe for FBS.

        I'll keep y'all posted on her progress. Let us pray that she accepts my help to cure her FBS.

        T2T, thanks so much for your report on K2. The wife & I have also been taking this for the past year, based on Dr. Kruse recommendations.

        Everyone- to each their own. Get the iodine into your body any way that you can.
        Dr. Kruse protocol = Eat a LOT of sea foods & seaweed
        Dr. Davidson Protocol = take 1/2mg of kelp tablets
        Dr. Brownstein Protocol = we all know about this one.

        Is there any other Dr. sponsored protocols out there?

        Decide for yourself which protocol to follow. I have all the facts about each one in Iodine References.

        Grizz

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        • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
          Back from our trip to Michigan. Good News & Bad News.

          The new house they bought is simply stunning, 5,000 sq ft with finished basement, and way too many rooms for just 2 people & a 2 yr old located in a great neighborhood & very close to shopping, school. Simply amazing.

          Bad News, our daughter-in-law has painful fibrocystic breasts and is scared to death because her mother died of breast cancer. Unfortunately she refuses to listen to anything anyone says. Unless her doctor tells her to do something, she is just not going to do it. So getting her to take iodine is going to be a tough challenge. Fortunately, her sister was a nurse and extremely sharp and has agreed to study iodine on her sister's behalf. And we know what doctors prescribe for FBS.

          I'll keep y'all posted on her progress. Let us pray that she accepts my help to cure her FBS.

          T2T, thanks so much for your report on K2. The wife & I have also been taking this for the past year, based on Dr. Kruse recommendations.

          Everyone- to each their own. Get the iodine into your body any way that you can.
          Dr. Kruse protocol = Eat a LOT of sea foods & seaweed
          Dr. Davidson Protocol = take 1/2mg of kelp tablets
          Dr. Brownstein Protocol = we all know about this one.

          Is there any other Dr. sponsored protocols out there?

          Decide for yourself which protocol to follow. I have all the facts about each one in Iodine References.

          Grizz
          Grizz, sad about your daughter in law - hoe she improves.

          And thanks for this post - it's the one I've been waiting for!!

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          • Here is the message that I sent to our son, our daughter-in-law and her sister. The rest is up to them. I'm not going to bring this subject up again. The ball is now in their court to do whatever they wish. You can lead donkeys to water, but you can't make them drink, and our DIL is as stubborn and hard headed as they come.

            Did you know that Harmony has Fibrocystic Breast Disease [FBD]?

            It is vitally important that she get started on the Dr. Brownstein's Iodine Protocol. There is only one known cure for FBS and that is iodine supplements. Is her condition painful yet? FBS just gets worse & worse until the breasts become extremely painful & swollen. This puts her at higher risk of breast cancer. Doctors simply recommend a double mastectomy instead of iodine supplements. (There is no money to be made from iodine). FBS, and cysts of the ovaries & Uterus are all caused by iodine deficiency. See the many doctor articles I have in the chapter FibroCystic Breasts in Iodine References:


            Please read these Doctor reports:
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            Dr. David Beaulieu says:
            In almost every case, fibrocystic disease is curable. Approximately 25 years ago I had the privilege of attending a lecture on a protocol developed by a Dr. John Myers. He had devised an approach for the successful treatment of fibrocystic disease. The first part of his protocol was a basic vitamin program & iodine. . . . Rest of the article:

            Dr. Derry says:
            "However, while about 90 percent of North American women have fibrocystic disease, about 40 percent of these women experience no symptoms. Their breasts may be normal to examination, but the disease may be only microscopically detectable with a biopsy.

            "Enough iodine enables the excess cells to be cleared out, and the breast can return to its normal resting state as the fibrocystic disease slowly disappears from the breast.

            "Fibrocystic disease over decades of hormonal stimulation eventually tends to cause some cells to change to cancer cells. Lack of iodine causes fibrocystic disease, so women who have fibrocystic disease are susceptible to breast cancer. Although breast scars from fluid leakage out of the cysts are often permanent, iodine given therapeutically in the correct doses gradually gets rid of all fibrocystic disease except for the scars.

            "How much iodine is enough? It has been shown that daily doses of iodine above two to three milligrams per day (about half a drop from a standard eyedropper) saturate the thyroid within a couple of weeks. At this point, the thyroid gland stops taking up iodine. This means that at a dietary intake above two to three milligrams, all of the iodine goes to all its other functions in the body, such as killing off abnormal cells."
            Rest of the article

            Dr. Derry also says:
            The discovered lump represents the end stage of slow cancer progression over decades. The longest period is the first phase of cancer development. This phase which is often called pre-cancerous happens as as a normal cell is gradually turned into a cancer cell. These pre-cancerous lesions are known as fibrocystic disease (lumpy, tender breasts) of the breast. (2-3,13-14) Most fibrocystic disease is benign, harmless and has no consequences.
            On the other hand, some more advanced forms of fibrocystic disease have clearly defined tendencies towards breast cancer. So there are grades of fibrocystic disease with some of the cells looking more abnormal than in the benign forms. The greater the difference in the cells from normal (abnormal) the greater chance of these cells converting to a cancer cell over 10-20 years. So if you have fibrocystic disease still at the age of 45-55, you likely have had this for many years. There maybe then a significant chance the cells may change into a cancer cell. The good news is that it can be cleared up completely with a daily intake of iodine.(9)
            Rest of the article

            There is more to read in Iodine References:
            See the chapters:
            * Fibrocystic Breast Disease
            * Testimonials - Fibrocystic Breasts

            PLEASE _ Ask questions. I have spent the last 6 months becoming an expert on this subject. Don't let them cut off her breasts! The iodine is so simple & easy, and the results are so dramatic. Pain gone in days, cysts all melt away within just a few months.

            Protocol required co-supplements (Dr. Brownstein Protocol):
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            - - ½ tsp Natural Celtic Salt, Himalayan Pink Salt, Redmonds Salt or Hawaiin black salt
            - - - If the sea salt is pure white, it is unacceptable (minerals have been stripped out )
            - - 200 mcg selenium (L-selenomethionine preferred)
            - - 400 mg Magnesium - Glycinate preferred
            - - 2,000mg Vitamin C - Ester-C preferred - do not take with iodine
            - - ATP Cofactors caplet contains both 100mg B2 & 500mg B3 non-flushing in the correct ratio. Take 1/2 caplet with iodine up to 25mg, then one caplet for each 50 mg iodine,

            Titrate iodine as follows:
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            - - - Mix 1 drop 2% Lugols into bottles of water, put the caps back on available at Amazon.Com
            - - - Week 1 drink 1 oz (~30ml) daily (about 380mcg iodone)
            - - - Week 2 drink 2 oz (~60ml) daily (about 775mcg iodine)
            - - - Week 3 drink 4 oz (~120ml) daily ( about 1.5mg iodine)
            - - - Week 4 drink 6 oz (~180ml) daily ( about 2.3mg iodine)
            - - - Week 5 drink 8 oz (~220ml) daily ( about 3.1 mg iodine or about 1 drop per day),
            - - - Week 6 drink 2 drops per day in a glass of water
            - - - Week 7 drink 3 drops per day in a glass of water
            - - - Week 8 drink 4 drops per day (about 12.5mg = to 1 iodoral)
            * Next, Titrate up with iodoral 12.5mg iodine tablets available at Amazon.Com
            - - - add 1/2 tablet each month to eventually reach 50mg daily-refer to Dr. Brownstein’s Book
            - - - 50mg Daily is the dosage target recommended by Dr. Brownstein to overcome toxins
            * If any detox symptoms appear do the salt flush and pulse dose. (all listed below)

            The reason for titrating slowly is that iodine kicks nasty toxins out of our cells, and if we take too much iodine too soon, these toxins will make us sick with such as pimples, bloat, headaches, depression. Titrating slowly eliminates most if not all detox symptoms.

            PS) John,
            You also need iodine to prevent Prostate BPH & Prostate Cancer. Trust me, if you are not eating a lot of seafoods including Kelp seaweed every week, you ARE deficient in iodine. Do the iodine Skin Test to prove it.
            Will she listen? Or will she dismiss it offhand because her own doctor didn't say it? I'll keep y'all informed of this real life drama as it unfolds.

            Grizz
            Last edited by Grizz; 07-24-2012, 10:40 AM.

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            • Sadly, this is true of the entire Paleo / Primal thing. I would love my parents and sisters to cut out grains and seed oils, but they won't listen. They can SEE how much weight I've lost, asthma improved, no steroid inhalers any more, no psoriasis etc - but they just say "well, it works for you, but it won't work for everyone". So sad.

              And so many of my friends in their fifties and onwards are all beginning to suffer with problems which I am sure could be alleviated, if not mended. But as you say, you can't MAKE anyone do anything.

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              • Dr. Kruse focuses on Iodine with his best report yet.

                See the paragraph, "THE KEY MINERAL TO HUMAN DEVELOPMENT: IODINE"
                BG 5: PARADIGM DRIFTS PARADIGM SHIFTS: EPI-PALEO? - Jack Kruse

                Dr. Kruse is firing on all cylinders on this report,

                Grizz

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                • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                  Simplified version: we need to take in more iodine than we take in halogen chemicals. ...Dr. Brownstein says that we need 50mg of iodine daily to offset all of these chemicals and we need more than 50mg to expedite detox. http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

                  Grizz
                  I definitely get the idea of needing to take Iodine as an offset to the other Halides. What I am curious about is the mechanism that Iodine uses that causes Bromide to be removed from the body (our cells, thyroid, whatever) and therefore detoxed out of the body. How does taking more Iodine force the Bromide out. Doesn't Bromide force the Iodine out?

                  Note that I am not questioning that taking Iodine causes Bromide detox as I think there have been studies that show this (and my own stinky experience also confirms some kind of detox.) What I am wondering is why Iodine does this? What is the actual mechanism? I would like more than "we need it because it offsets the bad chemicals." HOW does Iodine offset the bad chemicals? How does more Iodine win the battle in the body?

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                  • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                    The previous research articles that I posted were comparing the types of cysts that occur with FBD with incidence of cancer.
                    Those studies stated that the Type 1 cysts in particular themselves do not become cancerous, but that a person who has them is slightly more predisposed to developing cancer. That cancer would develop in tissues along side the cysts... including areas away from the immediate cyst location. The type one cysts were considered an indicator of an increased likelihood (an approximate 5% increase in risk) of developing breast cancer over the lifespan, regardless in if the type one cysts were currently present in the tissues. The type 2 cysts, either current or healed, were not associated with an increase in cancer rates that was statistically important when compared to women with no history of FBD cysts at all.

                    So yes, with one particular type of FBD associated cyst there is a slight increase in the chances of cancer. But having or not having those cysts present in the tissue did not seem to be a factor.
                    It seems that scientists view them as a simple risk factor. If they were a direct cause then the rate of increase of risk for breast cancer in those with the type 1 cysts should be greater than 5%. As a simple risk factor it makes sense... a person who has a system prone to those type one cysts may also have a system more prone to breast cancer.
                    Hi Grizz,
                    Did it ever occur to you that the reason your daughter in law is "scared to death" is because you are scaring her needlessly? FBD does not cause breast cancer any more than cholesterol causes heart attacks. It is a correlation not a causation. Yes, her condition should be treated properly because it is painful in and of itself. And yes, she should be monitored for breast cancer, as should any woman of her age. But piling on the panic about cancer is just unnecessary. Please take a breath. I know you care about her and want her to be well but scaring her with medically unfounded hype isn't helping.

                    And you screaming in your letter about "Please don't let them cut off her breasts!", only makes you look more like a madman and less like the "expert" you proclaim yourself in the letter to be. That is not the medical protocol advocated by anyone other than an isolated ill-informed hack. (As cori and I have both posted about previously).
                    Last edited by Paleobird; 07-24-2012, 11:16 AM.

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                    • Lizzy, Vital Choices has sardines that are totally healthy. Many well known doctors recommend their products. I've bought their seafood for yrs and always impressed.
                      Last edited by JudyCr; 07-24-2012, 11:25 AM.

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                      • PaleoBirdie,

                        As usual you are trying to put words in my mouth that I never said. I NEVER said that FBD causes cancer. NO ONE has said that, not even the iodine doctors! Kapish?

                        The iodine doctors do say this:
                        "women who have fibrocystic disease are susceptible to breast cancer"
                        "There may be then a significant chance the cells may change into a cancer cell."
                        Derry. Iodine and the Breast -- Research
                        Dr. David Derry Answers Reader Questions -- Breast Cancer, Tamoxifen, Thyroid & Weight Loss

                        Translation: There is simply a higher risk of breast cancer in women with FBD. This does not mean they WILL get cancer. Do you understand? Got it?

                        My DIL is worried because her mother died from Breast Cancer, after the doctors were messing around with her for 10 years !

                        I would appreciate it if you stopped LYING about what people say. You are always doing this to piss people off. STOP DISTORTING WHAT PEOPLE SAY!

                        It is our experience that doctors routinely tell their FBD patients to cut off their breasts. Would you like me to post those testimonials YET AGAIN? Better yet YOU go read the testimonial - you know where they are at. Doctors won't recommend iodine, so mastectomy is all they know. Pray tell us what doctors prescribe to CURE fibrocystic breasts.

                        Grizz
                        Last edited by Grizz; 07-24-2012, 11:41 AM.

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                        • First of all if you're going to call me Paleobirdie I'm going to call you Grizzyface, OK?

                          It's nice to hear you say that, "There is simply a higher risk of breast cancer in women with FBD. This does not mean they WILL get cancer."

                          This is sane and very sound and I'm glad to hear you say it. It is also not what you were saying upthread but then we can let that go. As long as you aren't off chasing fictional "chemtrails" and Melinda Gates plots, we will know you are back in your right mind.

                          Could you please say that one more time for the people being panicked by earlier pages, something like, "HEY EVERYBODY, FBD DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER!"? Complete with lots of caps and bold type. That would be great.

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                          • @t2t, thank you for the information. I don't think DH would be against the "side effect" you described at all! You said you cut your dose down to 1 milligram? Is it liquid or powder?

                            @breadsauce, DH also has psoriasis. What amounts of the Vit K, D3, and Vit A were you taking?

                            Thanks again! Where do you buy this stuff?
                            Gwynn

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                            • @Grizz,

                              I hope your DIL gets better.

                              Gwynn

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                              • Originally posted by Hoss2626 View Post
                                I definitely get the idea of needing to take Iodine as an offset to the other Halides. What I am curious about is the mechanism that Iodine uses that causes Bromide to be removed from the body (our cells, thyroid, whatever) and therefore detoxed out of the body. How does taking more Iodine force the Bromide out. Doesn't Bromide force the Iodine out?

                                Note that I am not questioning that taking Iodine causes Bromide detox as I think there have been studies that show this (and my own stinky experience also confirms some kind of detox.) What I am wondering is why Iodine does this? What is the actual mechanism? I would like more than "we need it because it offsets the bad chemicals." HOW does Iodine offset the bad chemicals? How does more Iodine win the battle in the body?
                                The answer is extremely complex but here it is: The Sodium-iodide_symporter
                                Sodium-iodide symporter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                                http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/pdfs/IOD13.pdf

                                Do a google search on Sodium-iodide_symporter for MUCH more.

                                Grizz

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