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  • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
    Either follow a doctor directed protocol, or don't take iodine at all. Very simple. If no one else will stand up, then I will.


    Grizz
    There you go again. Either do as you say, or don't take iodine at all. I shall continue to take my drop of lugol's in water 3 times per week, I shall take brazil nuts, I shall NOT take salt or B vitamins - I am doing very well on this regime, my iodine patch lasts well over 12 hours.
    Last edited by breadsauce; 07-17-2012, 10:39 AM.

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    • Originally posted by mom5booklover View Post
      +1

      I am a huge fan of iodine supplementation (love Dr. Brownstein) and have been for a few years but after reading some of the back and forth discussions between you and some of the so called "TROLLS" I am worried that some of the advice you are giving may be misleading and a little unrealistic. Please remember that as the leader of this thread, you can so easily make or break it. Which in the end can actually cause serious harm to people who look up to you and/or are seeking info for thier illnesses.

      If I were new here and knew nothing of iodine......and had clicked on this thread by chance I would STAY SO FAR AWAY FROM IODINE for fear of becoming a paranoid crazy person who paints thier genitals with iodine and can't take any criticizm.

      .
      I also am an iodine fan - started with kelp pills and moved on to Lugol's. But I don't follow Dr Brownstein because it seems too extreme for me. Also, I'm not at all sure that Grizz IS the "leader"of this thread - it was actually, if I remember correctly, started by Bosnic and somehow got hijacked into an evangelical pro-Brownstein stance - which is NOT what everyone wanting to learn about the benefits of iodine necessarily want or believe.

      There is room on this thread for all enquiring minds, and enough information here now for people to be able to make up their own minds as to what aspects of the huge available resources here they want to take on board, and what they feel is too far for them.

      There is no need for bullies to insist that their way is the only way - reminds me rather of the Taliban!
      Last edited by breadsauce; 07-17-2012, 10:40 AM.

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      • Originally posted by breadsauce View Post
        there you go again. Either do as you say, or don't take iodine at all. I shall continue to take my drop of lugol's in water 3 times per week, i shall take brazil nits, i shall not take salt or b vitamins - i am doing very well on this regime, my iodine patch lasts well over 12 hours.
        troll!!!

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        • Originally posted by breadsauce View Post
          There you go again. Either do as you say, or don't take iodine at all. I shall continue to take my drop of lugol's in water 3 times per week, I shall take brazil nuts, I shall NOT take salt or B vitamins - I am doing very well on this regime, my iodine patch lasts well over 12 hours.
          No, here you go again putting words in my mouth that I did not say. Either follow a doctors protocol or don't take iodine at all.
          And I also told you that you can do anything your want at your own risk.

          Grizz

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          • We have talked about Trappers position over at the Curezone. He states it is best to start iodine at 100mg to clear out ALL detox in a day or 2. He says starting small just prolongs the pain.

            Here is a report from our own Zophie:
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            Ok, so after reading a lot of the information in this group, I decided to up my dose from 6 drops of Lugol's to 100mg. I am taking half when I wake up and half about 6 hours later. (as well as the support supplements with food)

            So far I have not had any detox symptoms at all. I feel great and I am sleeping great. I'm a little surprised by this.

            I do have a question for all of you who are more experienced with higher doses of iodine. Shall I stay at 100mg or raise the dose? How much do I raise it and how fast?

            Please forgive me if this has already been discussed. (I have only had time to read 50 or so pages of this group so far.)

            Thanks!
            ~Z~
            First week at 100mg at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1964396)

            Thank you Trapper and Paraboy for your quick and supportive replys! Yes, it is a nice surprise!

            Also, thanks for the link about the dosage. I'm going to save it to pass on to anyone who may need it. Sorry that I wasn't clear. I had slowly worked my way up to 6 drops of 2% Lugol's and then a week ago I made the big jump (leap of faith) to a full 100mg.

            I just feel so wonderful and I am SO Grateful for this information. It has been life changing for me. I am pain free for the first time in 25 years!

            Thanks again for all your help!
            http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1964516#i
            ~Z~
            Any comments?

            Grizz
            Last edited by Grizz; 07-17-2012, 01:31 PM.

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            • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
              ...
              None of these ladies took iodine supplements. Simply AMAZING!
              All were born around 1900, and grew to adulthood before salt began to be iodized in the US (in the mid 20's).
              They all lived outside the Great Lakes and Pacific Northwest regions that are iodine poor, and the reason that iodine started to be added to salt in America in the first place. Does all of your food come from the Great Lakes or PNW region?
              *shrug*
              I was raised, as were my parents in the Goiter Belt, and we ate mostly local foods. (OK, citrus wasn't local, but scarce during my childhood). My dad had heard about iodine from somewhere, and took what he considered prudent steps to ward off deficiencies. My mother-in-law had a prominent goiter show up in her late teens and had to take treatment for it. And when a friend's goatkids, raised and fed on local feeds, developed numerous goiters, I started adding Lugol's 5% (or higher - from vet) to their water from then on. I'm sure my own family got some of the benefit through goat milk. I also ate seaweed for a few years, and fed my gardens and animals with a dried supplement. I'm sure it prevented many problems.

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              • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                No, here you go again putting words in my mouth that I did not say. Either follow a doctors protocol or don't take iodine at all.
                And I also told you that you can do anything your want at your own risk.

                Grizz
                And I am following a doctor's protocol - virtually every doctor who prescribed Iodine from 1829 until Dr Brownstein came up with his protocol - which I consider too extreme. For me. You do what you like - you totally have my permission. Just don't keep telling me to follow YOUR doctor's protocol. Thank you.

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                • Originally posted by Rearden View Post
                  HappyPaleoGirl,

                  I use iodine tincture (not the colorless version) an dab it on my spots most nights of the week. It comes with an applicator which makes it easy to apply directly to the spot. A few nights a week I apply it to most of my face and quickly apply jojoba oil. The results have been amazing.
                  Hi Rearden. Just seeing this now. So is the tincture the stuff that you can buy at Walgreens or CVS? I bought a bottle before starting to supplement with Lugol's in order to do the patch test. So I assume you let it dry after you apply it prior to applying jojoba oil?
                  I alternate between jojoba and sweet almond oil as moisturizers and love them both.
                  Thanks for the tip!!

                  Luckily my current spots have cleared up (and thankfully no new ones have surfaced!) - it only took 1 night of iodine painting! It dried the skin right up and stopped the pimples in their tracks. I'll have to see what happens with the cyst. I still feel a sore spot under the skin, but there's no actual bump under there that I can feel anymore.
                  Yay, iodine!

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                  • Here are a couple of studies about the amount of iodine intake in Japan. These would seem to indicate a lower average intake than other sources have estimated:

                    Assessment of Japanese iodine intake based on se... [Thyroid Res. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

                    The average of dietary iodine intake due to the inge... [Thyroid. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI
                    LastBottleWines

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                    • Originally posted by Paysan View Post
                      I was raised, as were my parents in the Goiter Belt, and we ate mostly local foods. (OK, citrus wasn't local, but scarce during my childhood). My dad had heard about iodine from somewhere, and took what he considered prudent steps to ward off deficiencies. My mother-in-law had a prominent goiter show up in her late teens and had to take treatment for it. And when a friend's goatkids, raised and fed on local feeds, developed numerous goiters, I started adding Lugol's 5% (or higher - from vet) to their water from then on. I'm sure my own family got some of the benefit through goat milk. I also ate seaweed for a few years, and fed my gardens and animals with a dried supplement. I'm sure it prevented many problems.
                      I find this post fascinating. Presumably the goat's milk was higher in iodine - it makes total sense. I'd love an allotment, so that I could grow veg and cover the soil in iodine rich, selenium rich and magnesium rich fertilisers - seaweed, for example. I do like the idea of getting as many nutrients as possible from food and not from a bottle or package!

                      The UK is small, and most of it is fairly near the coastline. Furthest from the sea is Derbyshire - which used to be noted for a higher incidence of goitre.

                      Incidentallly, there is an area of Norfolk which has unusual longevity - and the soil there is rich in selenium. More brazil nuts for me!

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                      • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                        Hoss,
                        I will address your question. Do I sometimes act like a BULLY? Yes absolutely I do. And for very good reasons.

                        This thread is about SERIOUS BUSINESS regarding the Thyroid. If instructions are not followed regarding the REQUIRED supplements, then I become the bully. As a group we simply do not want to see anyone going to the hospital with a thyroid storm. We don't want people losing days or weeks of work because they got seriously sick from not following the Dr Supported Iodine Protocol.

                        Yes I tell people to take the required co-supplements and they sometimes refuse. So Then I tell them they are free to do anything they want at their own risk. And they go into a hissy fit.

                        We are not talking about a simple vitamin supplement or mineral supplement here. We are discussing the THYROID, and serious conditions of Hypothyroid, Hyperthyroid, in addition to Hashimotos Disease & thyroid nodules. NOTHING IS MORE SERIOUS when it comes to following directions. This is why we need a doctor supported protocol to follow.

                        As a group we must all do whatever is required to prevent one of our members from getting sick. Does someone have a better iodine protocol? OK, name the doctor promoting it and spell out the details. We don't have any doctors as members, so we must insist on a doctor supported protocol for all members. Sorry if some people don't like it. Either follow a doctor directed protocol, or don't take iodine at all. Very simple. If no one else will stand up, then I will.

                        I will also report all trolls and I don't care what their names are. Paleobird and her troll buddies have no right to be so rude, insensitive and calling people names. We sufferered a terrible Troll Attack in part because I didn't report them immediately. No more Mr. Nice Guy for me.

                        The next time we have a Troll Attack, all participants will be reported. We are not going to put up with the insanity over the past few days. People can be civil. I have been here for YEARS and I have never reported anyone. I have also never seen such horrible insensitivity, name calling, and disgusting behavior. It reminded me of a wolf pack attack.

                        We are all here to learn about a VERY COMPLEX subject, not to fight with TROLLS. What is Paleobird & her Troll Buddies doing over here in this thread at all? She has ZERO interest in iodine and the same is true of her Troll Buddies. The reason they came over here was to create havoc. Not the first time, by the way.

                        Hope this helps, any more questions?
                        Grizz
                        Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                        No, here you go again putting words in my mouth that I did not say. Either follow a doctors protocol or don't take iodine at all.
                        And I also told you that you can do anything your want at your own risk.

                        Grizz
                        No one put those words in your mouth, they are your own.
                        Millions of people take iodine supplements safely every single day of their life in the form of iodized salt, eating seafood, and eating sea veg. None of this requires a doctors protocol.

                        Originally posted by Paysan View Post
                        I was raised, as were my parents in the Goiter Belt, and we ate mostly local foods. (OK, citrus wasn't local, but scarce during my childhood). My dad had heard about iodine from somewhere, and took what he considered prudent steps to ward off deficiencies. My mother-in-law had a prominent goiter show up in her late teens and had to take treatment for it. And when a friend's goatkids, raised and fed on local feeds, developed numerous goiters, I started adding Lugol's 5% (or higher - from vet) to their water from then on. I'm sure my own family got some of the benefit through goat milk. I also ate seaweed for a few years, and fed my gardens and animals with a dried supplement. I'm sure it prevented many problems.
                        That post should be taken as intended.
                        Iodine supplementation in and of itself cannot be credited as the only reason for a long healthy life.
                        Yes, in the goiter belt, the Great Lakes area, and the PNW iodine supplementation is particularly necessary, and is in fact the very reason for Iodized salt being introduced in the mid-1920's.


                        I would also like to make it very clear that several of the so called "trolls" in this thread are also using iodine.
                        Breadsauce does, Bloodorchid does, and I do as well. Paleobird eats a large quantity of fish, shellfish, and sea veg in her diet and doesn't need additional supplements.
                        I used to get all of my iodine through whole foods (never iodized salt), but due to medical issues and reduced consumption of iodine rich foods such as sea veg I now take several drops of Lugol's weekly.
                        So I am also a "troll" who is supplementing iodine.

                        However, it is my honest opinion... and the opinion of some doctors who formerly supported high dose iodine supplementation, that those high doses are neither necessary nor healthy. And I have the right to express that opinion here, as well as provide evidence that supports that belief.
                        I also believe that promoting any course of supplementation that is so harsh that it could put someone in "the hospital with a thyroid storm" or cause "people [to lose] days or weeks of work because they got seriously sick" is a seriously irresponsible thing to do via the internet. Especially when the person promoting it tells people with already medically diagnosed Thyroid conditions that they can do this and just quit their meds... a potentially very dangerous situation.
                        The insanely skewed statistics that are from a single source are just the tip of the iceburg when it comes to the problems with misinformation in this thread.

                        Also... I see that Grizz has addressed everyone's "bullying" here but his own.
                        Telling someone you will laugh when they end up in the hospital for not doing exactly as you say is certainly exactly that type of behavior much more than banter about the lack of validity of patently false information being passed off as fact.
                        Last edited by cori93437; 07-17-2012, 11:46 AM.
                        “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                        ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                        And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                        • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                          I would also like to make it very clear that several of the so called "trolls" in this thread are also using iodine.
                          Breadsauce does, Bloodorchid does, and I do as well.
                          I do too, along with all the 'take or die' supplements, & I do so as a direct result of this thread. Or rather I did - I won't do again until I find the time to do my own research.

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                          • John, Oxide & other long term members,

                            This is a serious question. Do we let everyone do iodine THEIR WAY (by gosh & by golly) and if they end up in the hospital tell them they should have followed documented doctors orders? Breadsauce is our prime renegade example here.
                            I shall continue to take my drop of lugol's in water 3 times per week, I shall take brazil nuts, I shall NOT take salt or B vitamins -
                            I have just modified message #7 to make this happen. If a new member fails to read this message then they are on their own risk. Does everyone like this message? Any suggestions?
                            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post675468

                            Lets all talk about this.
                            Grizz

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                            • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                              John,

                              Would you like to volunteer to be the cop in this thread to insure members don't send themselves to the hospital?
                              Would someone else like to do this? I will be very happy to see someone else watch over the newbees to help prevent a disaster. Too bad we have to do this, but we see how poorly people follow directions.

                              Sorry but the goal is not to get everyone on iodine. The goal is to help those who decide to start iodine do it correctly so they don't lose work or end up in the hospital. My Iodine References File is not working.
                              Neither is the Iodine 101 file.

                              Newbees simply do not want to follow directions. What is your best answer to this problem?

                              Grizz
                              Grizz, welcome to the scary world of somewhat adult people. The world would be so much nicer if everybody posted out of consideration for others, and obeyed all the rules. Whose rules? Adults have the peculiar fixation that they can make their own minds up with the correct information. Not so many are willing to live by the results of their decisions, and there's nothing we can do about it. Nor would I want to be responsible for their improper decisions. That's why we need both pros and cons and disagreements to examine ALL facets of a proposed treatment. I prefer to follow the iodine protocol as suggested by the docs because there is nothing inherently harmful there. But what if I were allergic to Brazil nuts? Or driven frantic by B3 flushing? There has to be some flexibility built in for those with non-standard reactions.

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                              • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                                John, Oxide & other long term members,

                                This is a serious question. Do we let everyone do iodine THEIR WAY (by gosh & by golly) and if they end up in the hospital tell them they should have followed documented doctors orders? Breadsauce is our prime renegade example here.


                                I have just modified message #7 to make this happen. If a new member fails to read this message then they are on their own risk. Does everyone like this message? Any suggestions?
                                http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post675468

                                Lets all talk about this.
                                Grizz
                                Once again...
                                Millions [Billions maybe] of people take iodine supplements safely every single day of their life in the form of iodized salt, eating seafood, and eating sea veg. None of this requires a doctors protocol.
                                None of those people suffer from the things you claim or end up in the hospital.
                                Also, huge doses of iodine are not necessary for health.
                                Scare tactics are unnecessary.
                                “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                                ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                                And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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