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  • Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
    so maybe, if you want to keep this thread, calm down on the reporting of 'trolls'
    Just generally calming down would be a place to start.

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      • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
        Since when is a simple discussion of disagreement "trolling"?

        It's strange how people who agree with you and promote your pet topic (IODINE cures everything!!!) are your "honored guest" even though they are just another member of this forum, just like me or anyone else.
        Yet when someone points out or introduces information that is to the contrary to your opinion, which reads like some sort of religious rhetoric indoctrination, you scream "TROLL".

        It crosses the line when the name calling starts. I come here daily to learn about Iodine and related topics. Grizz has spent a lot of time doing research that he then brings to this thread to share with us. I appreciate his hard work as do many others. I don't have any way of determining whether or not Chemtrails or Contrails are the source of the excess aluminum in our environment or not so I didn't join the "discussion" about them. I do know that aluminum is incredibly toxic and not needed by the human body like other trace minerals. So knowing that Iodine helps eliminate aluminum and other toxic heavy metals is good enough for me. I didn't feel the need to resort to calling him or T2T "cuckow" over the mention of Chemtrails like many other rude posters did.

        I don't believe for a minute that any human gov't really cares about all its citizens so it's not a real stretch for me to consider that Chemtails may have been used to do harm to people in select areas. Or maybe they are just nothing. At least I'm keeping an open mind until more info comes to light one way or the other. I believe Grizz has showed considerable restraint in the last few days since the bullying started.

        So for all of you who don't believe in using iodine, ask yourself why you are still here. Bored? Need a life? No friends? Please stop ruining this thread for the rest of us who are interested in current iodine information.

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        • Originally posted by DuhPrincess View Post
          So for all of you who don't believe in using iodine, ask yourself why you are still here. Bored? Need a life? No friends? Please stop ruining this thread for the rest of us who are interested in current iodine information.
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          • Originally posted by DuhPrincess View Post
            It crosses the line when the name calling starts. I come here daily to learn about Iodine and related topics. Grizz has spent a lot of time doing research that he then brings to this thread to share with us. I appreciate his hard work as do many others. I don't have any way of determining whether or not Chemtrails or Contrails are the source of the excess aluminum in our environment or not so I didn't join the "discussion" about them. I do know that aluminum is incredibly toxic and not needed by the human body like other trace minerals. So knowing that Iodine helps eliminate aluminum and other toxic heavy metals is good enough for me. I didn't feel the need to resort to calling him or T2T "cuckow" over the mention of Chemtrails like many other rude posters did.

            I don't believe for a minute that any human gov't really cares about all its citizens so it's not a real stretch for me to consider that Chemtails may have been used to do harm to people in select areas. Or maybe they are just nothing. At least I'm keeping an open mind until more info comes to light one way or the other. I believe Grizz has showed considerable restraint in the last few days since the bullying started.

            So for all of you who don't believe in using iodine, ask yourself why you are still here. Bored? Need a life? No friends? Please stop ruining this thread for the rest of us who are interested in current iodine information.
            How about because this is an open forum and we have posted information that shows that the information that Grizz is posting is completely off base, incorrect, and bogus a good part of the time, not to mention the conspiracy ridden scare tactic type propaganda. And if people are taking that information as "facts", as he represents it, then it just may not be as safe as he says it is. And some of his suggestions are down right dangerous for certain groups of people.

            Saying that the material that someone posts is ridiculous, because it is indeed not based in fact at all, is not name calling. This is an open public forum. And as such we have as much right to post information that is contradictory to the information that is posted by others.

            As far as Grizz showing restraint... once again, this is a public forum. He does not own this thread in any way, therefore he has no reason to have any say in who posts, or does not post, in it. It's not even a 'private journal' where one might actually view some sort of vague ownership, it's in a completely public "Nutrition" area. If he posts things that are completely incorrect and there is science to show that it is incorrect then other people have a right to point that out... as much as we feel is necessary. Just like happens in every other thread in this "Nutrition" section of the forum. And, just like Grizz seems to feel free to go into all the other threads on this forum and tell people that they need to "TAKE IODINE NOW" and add his two cents that way. No one hits the report button for him doing that mess.

            And, BTW... where was Grizz's restraint when he was laughing at someone and wishing them physical harm for not following the EXACT iodine protocol that he espouses? Not one of those you are calling a bully I might add... a person who is also taking Iodine and simply posted a statement about their own experience.
            Originally posted by Grizz View Post
            Breadsauce,
            You are free to do it any way you want at your own peril. We choose to follow the Dr. Brownstein Protocol because each supplement in the protocol has very specific reasons for being there and many thousands of patients have proven out the safety of his protocol.

            [...snip...]

            So, bottom line, If you don't want to follow the Dr. Brownstein procedures exactly, then just go ahead & do it YOUR way. Don't come into this thread CRYING if you get a THYROID STORM, a trip to the EMERGENCY ROOM, 30 lbs of BLOAT, or a face FULL OF ZITS. We will be LAUGHING at you for being so stubborn. Bwahahahaha - Mwahahahaha
            So go right ahead and do it YOUR way and let us know how it works out for you. We like to watch Guinea Pigs do our testing for us. Then WHO will be the irresponsible one ??

            Grizz
            Feel free to go back to page 339-340 and read it all yourself where she simply stated that Iodine has been in use since long before the Brownstein protocol was invented, and that everyone does not have to follow that exact protocol to have success.
            This was spurned by a previous poster having flushing after adding the co-factors. And instead of explaining that, yes... B vitamins in high doses such as the co-factors can cause flushing, particularly B3... which is very well known to produce severe flushing in some people. See, simple explanation... instead Grizz simple said follow the Brownstein instructions, and hints that there is no other reason for the problem except that the person (Dirlot) is doing it wrong.
            No, sorry... Dirlot was not doing anything wrong. He was having a side effect from taking the vitamin B3 that is in the ATP cofactors. Just look up B3, it's a very common problem.

            As I said earlier... if a place to put this information where outside opinions, dissenting voices, or contradictory evidence can be silenced according to his whims is what Grizz wants, perhaps a Blog would better serve his interests. That way he can just delete any posts he doesn't like.

            Also...There is no such thing as a "Chemtrail"... those things are called Contrails. A "Chemtrail" is purely a conspiracy... that has been debunked thoroughly many times over by actual scientists. As opposed to the 'average joe' people standing on the ground looking at the sky imagining bad things perpetrated 'evil' gub'ment entities who believe in "Chemtrails".
            Last edited by cori93437; 07-17-2012, 12:35 AM.
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            • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
              How about because this is an open forum and we have posted information that shows that the information that Grizz is posting is completely off base, incorrect, and bogus a good part of the time, not to mention the conspiracy ridden scare tactic type propaganda. And if people are taking that information as "facts", as he represents it, then it just may not be as safe as he says it is. And some of his suggestions are down right dangerous for certain groups of people.

              Saying that the material that someone posts is ridiculous, because it is indeed not based in fact at all, is not name calling. This is an open public forum. And as such we have as much right to post information that is contradictory to the information that is posted by others.

              As far as Grizz showing restraint... once again, this is a public forum. He does not own this thread in any way, therefore he has no reason to have any say in who posts, or does not post, in it. It's not even a 'private journal' where one might actually view some sort of vague ownership, it's in a completely public "Nutrition" area. If he posts things that are completely incorrect and there is science to show that it is incorrect then other people have a right to point that out... as much as we feel is necessary. Just like happens in every other thread in this "Nutrition" section of the forum. And, just like Grizz seems to feel free to go into all the other threads on this forum and tell people that they need to "TAKE IODINE NOW" and add his two cents that way. No one hits the report button for him doing that mess.

              And, BTW... where was Grizz's restraint when he was laughing at someone and wishing them physical harm for not following the EXACT iodine protocol that he espouses? Not one of those you are calling a bully I might add... a person who is also taking Iodine and simply posted a statement about their own experience.

              Feel free to go back to page 339-340 and read it all yourself where she simply stated that Iodine has been in use since long before the Brownstein protocol was invented, and that everyone does not have to follow that exact protocol to have success.
              This was spurned by a previous poster having flushing after adding the co-factors. And instead of explaining that, yes... B vitamins in high doses such as the co-factors can cause flushing, particularly B3... which is very well known to produce severe flushing in some people. See, simple explanation... instead Grizz simple said follow the Brownstein instructions, and hints that there is no other reason for the problem except that the person (Dirlot) is doing it wrong.
              No, sorry... Dirlot was not doing anything wrong. He was having a side effect from taking the vitamin B3 that is in the ATP cofactors. Just look up B3, it's a very common problem.

              As I said earlier... if a place to put this information where outside opinions, dissenting voices, or contradictory evidence can be silenced according to his whims is what Grizz wants, perhaps a Blog would better serve his interests. That way he can just delete any posts he doesn't like.

              Also...There is no such thing as a "Chemtrail"... those things are called Contrails. A "Chemtrail" is purely a conspiracy... that has been debunked thoroughly many times over by actual scientists. As opposed to the 'average joe' people standing on the ground looking at the sky imagining bad things perpetrated 'evil' gub'ment entities who believe in "Chemtrails".
              Cori, wonderful and succinct reply. I worry about new visitors to MDA coming across this thread, reading the garbage about "Chemtrails" being touted by "honoured visitors"(???) and feeling that everything here posted is also by nutters.. SOME of this thread comes over as hysterical ranting - not easy to take that seriously.

              By the way, I'm a him, not a her!

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              • Originally posted by oxide View Post
                Grizz, reporting trolls should be reserved for:
                1. Spambot advertizers <--- Plenty of those here already.
                2. People who come in with hate speech. <--- I won't post any examples but I'm sure you know what I mean.
                It's not for disagreeing with you when you go crackpot.

                Meanwhile, breadsauce, I think that some multivitamin protocol is a good idea because

                1. Excess iodine may harm someone who has an undiagnosed thyroid problem.
                2. When people took iodine a hundred years ago without supplements, the soil was not yet depleted of iodine so people already had it in their systems.
                3. The purpose of the supplements protocol is to ease the detoxing of thirty years of brominated flour, brominated fire retardents, chlorinated water, and flouridated toothpaste. Since people a hundred years ago were not exposed to these other halogens, I guess they didn't need to detox and could do without the supplements. It's different now.
                Hi Oxide. I do take some supplements - Lugol's, but not in industrial doses, brazil nuts for selenium, magnesium, D3 and K2. I track my minerals and vitamins periodically on Fitday and only supp those that I am not getting from food - I do prefer to get as much as possible from food. Which, here in the UK, I can usually get organic and / or grass fed. Liver, fish, eggs, meat with loads of veg and good portions of fruit seem to keep my intake fine.

                And my iodine patch test lasts usually over 12 hours, taking just 1 drop of Lugol's in water 2 or 3 times a week. So if that test has any validity, I feel happy with that!
                Last edited by breadsauce; 07-17-2012, 01:39 AM. Reason: punctuation!

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                • Originally posted by DuhPrincess View Post
                  It crosses the line when the name calling starts.
                  Agreed, Grizz calling everyone who disagrees with him a troll is very tedious.

                  Originally posted by DuhPrincess View Post
                  I come here daily to learn about Iodine and related topics. Grizz has spent a lot of time doing research that he then brings to this thread to share with us.
                  I think you're missing the point. T2T brings up this chemtrail nonsense, then admits he spent most of his life believing the pyramids & Stonehenge were built by aliens. Grizz believed what he said about the chemtrails without question. So bearing that in mind, how can anyone now trust Grizz's 'research'? He's proven he's happy to take the word of someone who's as close to being a self-proclaimed nutcase as you can get, & pass that on as fact, without any attempt to verify it. Has he done the same with some/most of the iodine information?

                  All I've done in this thread is try to point out to Grizz that he's in danger of losing all credibility. I believe he's now done that, & readers need to do their own research to confirm anything he says rather than assuming he's done all the hard work.

                  Originally posted by DuhPrincess View Post
                  I don't have any way of determining whether or not Chemtrails or Contrails are the source of the excess aluminum in our environment or not
                  You really, really do. Even if common sense & a basic understanding of flight paths, holding patterns, jet engines & atmospherics don't help, it takes very little Googling to discover it's a load of rubbish.

                  Originally posted by DuhPrincess View Post
                  I do know that aluminum is incredibly toxic and not needed by the human body like other trace minerals. So knowing that Iodine helps eliminate aluminum and other toxic heavy metals is good enough for me.
                  It would be for me too, except now I have to go & confirm that from independent sources, because it turns out the person I thought was rigorously examining all the evidence was probably doing no such thing. Such is life.

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                  • We have been invaded by a Pack of Trolls. These trolls never come into this thread unless they are intent on making BIG TROUBLE.

                    Cori, Radielhead, Paleobird & Bloodorchid

                    Too bad, we will just have to IGNORE them. The only way to get rid of TROLLS is to ignore them.

                    Don't Feed the TROLLS

                    TROLL AT WORK

                    Grizz
                    Last edited by Grizz; 07-17-2012, 05:12 AM.

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                    • Wow... just wow.

                      First off Grizz, thank you for your research regarding Iodine. I am thinking that you are right on with many of the benefits of Iodine supplementation, and I applaud your zeal in trying to get the information out there. It is obvious that you are genuinely concerned about people and want to get the information out to as many as possible.

                      Second off Grizz, it appears to me that you do not listen to anyone but take your own council regarding your communications with others. You do come off as a bully at times, rude at other times. I am afraid that, at this point, you are alienating most of the people whom you might help (I am talking about curious people simply checking out this thread.) Although based on your recent postings I doubt you will pause to consider this, I am humbly asking that you do pause to consider your tone and manner and how it is affecting your credibility. Why not let Iodine have center stage instead of your ego?

                      Third off Grizz, I suggest that you stop submitting troll reports, especially against well respected members of this community (Paleobird.) I can imagine a point where someone over-reporting trolling behavior will himself be censored by the moderators.

                      Finally, I write these things out of respect for you and appreciation for your desire to help people learn about Iodine and its many benefits. You should consider walking away from this discussion for a week to think about how you are coming across to others, and especially those you are trying to reach.

                      I hope you consider what I have said.
                      Matt

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                      • Originally posted by Hoss2626 View Post
                        Wow... just wow.

                        First off Grizz, thank you for your research regarding Iodine. I am thinking that you are right on with many of the benefits of Iodine supplementation, and I applaud your zeal in trying to get the information out there. It is obvious that you are genuinely concerned about people and want to get the information out to as many as possible.

                        Second off Grizz, it appears to me that you do not listen to anyone but take your own council regarding your communications with others. You do come off as a bully at times, rude at other times. I am afraid that, at this point, you are alienating most of the people whom you might help (I am talking about curious people simply checking out this thread.) Although based on your recent postings I doubt you will pause to consider this, I am humbly asking that you do pause to consider your tone and manner and how it is affecting your credibility. Why not let Iodine have center stage instead of your ego?

                        Third off Grizz, I suggest that you stop submitting troll reports, especially against well respected members of this community (Paleobird.) I can imagine a point where someone over-reporting trolling behavior will himself be censored by the moderators.

                        Finally, I write these things out of respect for you and appreciation for your desire to help people learn about Iodine and its many benefits. You should consider walking away from this discussion for a week to think about how you are coming across to others, and especially those you are trying to reach.

                        I hope you consider what I have said.
                        Matt
                        A very kind, thoughtful and sensitive response. Thank you.

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                        • Hoss2626


                          Wow... just wow.

                          First off Grizz, thank you for your research regarding Iodine. I am thinking that you are right on with many of the benefits of Iodine supplementation, and I applaud your zeal in trying to get the information out there. It is obvious that you are genuinely concerned about people and want to get the information out to as many as possible.

                          Second off Grizz, it appears to me that you do not listen to anyone but take your own council regarding your communications with others. You do come off as a bully at times, rude at other times. I am afraid that, at this point, you are alienating most of the people whom you might help (I am talking about curious people simply checking out this thread.) Although based on your recent postings I doubt you will pause to consider this, I am humbly asking that you do pause to consider your tone and manner and how it is affecting your credibility. Why not let Iodine have center stage instead of your ego?

                          Third off Grizz, I suggest that you stop submitting troll reports, especially against well respected members of this community (Paleobird.) I can imagine a point where someone over-reporting trolling behavior will himself be censored by the moderators.

                          Finally, I write these things out of respect for you and appreciation for your desire to help people learn about Iodine and its many benefits. You should consider walking away from this discussion for a week to think about how you are coming across to others, and especially those you are trying to reach.

                          I hope you consider what I have said.
                          Matt
                          A very kind, thoughtful and sensitive response. Thank you.
                          +1 Grizz, I agree with these posts. It is time to take a break from your desire to see everyone take iodine. Your antagonists do have everyone else's interests at heart and I think your all inclusive attitude as to your opinion rubs them the wrong way.
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                          • Hoss,
                            I will address your question. Do I sometimes act like a BULLY? Yes absolutely I do. And for very good reasons.

                            This thread is about SERIOUS BUSINESS regarding the Thyroid. If instructions are not followed regarding the REQUIRED supplements, then I become the bully. As a group we simply do not want to see anyone going to the hospital with a thyroid storm. We don't want people losing days or weeks of work because they got seriously sick from not following the Dr Supported Iodine Protocol.

                            Yes I tell people to take the required co-supplements and they sometimes refuse. So Then I tell them they are free to do anything they want at their own risk. And they go into a hissy fit.

                            We are not talking about a simple vitamin supplement or mineral supplement here. We are discussing the THYROID, and serious conditions of Hypothyroid, Hyperthyroid, in addition to Hashimotos Disease & thyroid nodules. NOTHING IS MORE SERIOUS when it comes to following directions. This is why we need a doctor supported protocol to follow.

                            As a group we must all do whatever is required to prevent one of our members from getting sick. Does someone have a better iodine protocol? OK, name the doctor promoting it and spell out the details. We don't have any doctors as members, so we must insist on a doctor supported protocol for all members. Sorry if some people don't like it. Either follow a doctor directed protocol, or don't take iodine at all. Very simple. If no one else will stand up, then I will.

                            I will also report all trolls and I don't care what their names are. Paleobird and her troll buddies have no right to be so rude, insensitive and calling people names. We sufferered a terrible Troll Attack in part because I didn't report them immediately. No more Mr. Nice Guy for me.

                            The next time we have a Troll Attack, all participants will be reported. We are not going to put up with the insanity over the past few days. People can be civil. I have been here for YEARS and I have never reported anyone. I have also never seen such horrible insensitivity, name calling, and disgusting behavior. It reminded me of a wolf pack attack.

                            We are all here to learn about a VERY COMPLEX subject, not to fight with TROLLS. What is Paleobird & her Troll Buddies doing over here in this thread at all? She has ZERO interest in iodine and the same is true of her Troll Buddies. The reason they came over here was to create havoc. Not the first time, by the way.

                            Hope this helps, any more questions?
                            Grizz
                            Last edited by Grizz; 07-17-2012, 09:28 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by Hoss2626 View Post
                              Wow... just wow.

                              First off Grizz, thank you for your research regarding Iodine. I am thinking that you are right on with many of the benefits of Iodine supplementation, and I applaud your zeal in trying to get the information out there. It is obvious that you are genuinely concerned about people and want to get the information out to as many as possible.

                              Second off Grizz, it appears to me that you do not listen to anyone but take your own council regarding your communications with others. You do come off as a bully at times, rude at other times. I am afraid that, at this point, you are alienating most of the people whom you might help (I am talking about curious people simply checking out this thread.) Although based on your recent postings I doubt you will pause to consider this, I am humbly asking that you do pause to consider your tone and manner and how it is affecting your credibility. Why not let Iodine have center stage instead of your ego?

                              Third off Grizz, I suggest that you stop submitting troll reports, especially against well respected members of this community (Paleobird.) I can imagine a point where someone over-reporting trolling behavior will himself be censored by the moderators.

                              Finally, I write these things out of respect for you and appreciation for your desire to help people learn about Iodine and its many benefits. You should consider walking away from this discussion for a week to think about how you are coming across to others, and especially those you are trying to reach.

                              I hope you consider what I have said.
                              Matt
                              +1
                              I completely agree with you Hoss. I think Grizz is taking this way too personally. Iodine IS wonderful and has so many benefits for those willing to try it. Grizz I worry that you will scare some people off who really truly could benefit from both Iodine and from Primal Blueprint. You have helped so many to find Iodine in the past. Don't turn them away now.

                              Please...Please....Please take a few deep breaths and relax. There will always be those who disagree with us on Iodine. You can't win them all to our cause but you will scare alot of them away if you don't stop reporting everyone who disagrees with you.........

                              I am a huge fan of iodine supplementation (love Dr. Brownstein) and have been for a few years but after reading some of the back and forth discussions between you and some of the so called "TROLLS" I am worried that some of the advice you are giving may be misleading and a little unrealistic. Please remember that as the leader of this thread, you can so easily make or break it. Which in the end can actually cause serious harm to people who look up to you and/or are seeking info for thier illnesses.

                              If I were new here and knew nothing of iodine......and had clicked on this thread by chance I would STAY SO FAR AWAY FROM IODINE for fear of becoming a paranoid crazy person who paints thier genitals with iodine and can't take any criticizm.

                              Don't take everything so personally. Do you think Dr. Brownstein does? Because we all know that he gets criticized alot. It's the way of the world. Be the bigger man and move on......
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                              • Originally posted by ljbprrfmof View Post
                                +1 Grizz, I agree with these posts. It is time to take a break from your desire to see everyone take iodine. Your antagonists do have everyone else's interests at heart and I think your all inclusive attitude as to your opinion rubs them the wrong way.
                                John,

                                Would you like to volunteer to be the cop in this thread to insure members don't send themselves to the hospital?
                                Would someone else like to do this? I will be very happy to see someone else watch over the newbees to help prevent a disaster. Too bad we have to do this, but we see how poorly people follow directions.

                                Sorry but the goal is not to get everyone on iodine. The goal is to help those who decide to start iodine do it correctly so they don't lose work or end up in the hospital. My Iodine References File is not working.
                                Neither is the Iodine 101 file.

                                Newbees simply do not want to follow directions. What is your best answer to this problem?

                                Grizz

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