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  • Originally posted by chronyx View Post
    You lost me at magnetised iodine sorry Grizz. Sounds like those fuel line magnets that make your car do 200mpg.
    Chronyx,
    I simply do not understand why magnets would improve iodine. I do know that iodine is magnetic just like metal. Thusly powerful magnets attached to the bottle could possibly be mixing the iodine? If I ever find anything that makes sense I'll post it here.

    Grizz

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    • Originally posted by Gwynn View Post
      John,

      Didn't you say you were hearing reports of people having trouble with the ATP Co-Factors? What kind of problems were they having?

      Gwynn
      No, I do not recall having made that comment. I just started my ATP Co-Factors a week or so ago.

      LJ
      Learning the intricacies of healthy eating and nourishing my body the right way.
      I am not bald, that is a Vitamin D collector. Time to Grok and Roll!
      Eased into a primal diet starting at Christmas 2011. Goal weight - 205 started: 240 pounds waist 40, now 227 pounds and waist 38 Summer 2012 - weight =215 and waist is actually still 39"
      ljbprrfmof = LJ = Little John = John

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      • Originally posted by youthfuliz View Post
        yellowish urine and stinky sweat Well I can tolerate them, .
        I thought the yellow urine was just excess niacin and riboflavin (the B co-factors) and have nothing to do with the actual iodine. I had the day-glo pee from the first day I started the B-vitamins, and this is a month before I took any iodine at all.
        5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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        • Originally posted by oxide View Post
          I thought the yellow urine was just excess niacin and riboflavin (the B co-factors) and have nothing to do with the actual iodine. I had the day-glo pee from the first day I started the B-vitamins, and this is a month before I took any iodine at all.
          Interesting. But should vitamin B stink? I thought only bad stuff stink.

          Went to a doctor that school health center referred. I wanted to hear how he interpret the ultrasound. He said mine nodules are very likely benign but he suggested biopsy to confirm - I asked if the only reason for the suggestion of biopsy was the size of my nodules, he said yes. I told him I'm moving to PA soon, he said this is not an emergency, I can deal with this after I settle down in my new place.

          I told him about iodine supplement and what I read online, he is totally against it. Told me iodine deficiency is history... we don't have this problem in America now. I told him my nodules shrunk, I feel better, ect... he didn't want to hear about it. He said there's no need to supplement iodine... TOO BAD, I wasn't able to educate him. But I'm glad that my ultrasound looks good, that's actually all I wanted to hear from him. I was trying understand my ultrasound result, and needed some help there.

          I asked him to give me an iodien deficiency test, he said there's no need for that. Asked for another ultrasound to see if my nodules shrunk, he said you can ask the doctor who does your biopsy to do it... So I guess I'll find a doctor who knows about iodine next time. And use ultrasound to monitor my thyroid.

          Actually took 37.5mg iodoral this morning. Will take 25mg in the early afternoon. Feeling good.

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          • Grizz,

            I'm a member of the yahoo iodine group now. Haven't posted, but used the search function and read about earlier discussions on nodules and biopsy. It's very helpful! Thanks for letting me know of this source.

            Liz

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            • Originally Posted by chronyx
              You lost me at magnetised iodine sorry Grizz. Sounds like those fuel line magnets that make your car do 200mpg.
              Chronyx,
              I simply do not understand why magnets would improve iodine. I do know that iodine is magnetic just like metal. Thusly powerful magnets attached to the bottle could possibly be mixing the iodine? If I ever find anything that makes sense I'll post it here.

              And here it is:
              Some of the original messages at the Curezone sheds light on this subject.
              Thread: Re: generic nascent iodine with magnets at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (ThreadID: 1185387)

              Trapper is using magnets on his iodine to simulate Edgar Cayce's "Atomodine," described in detail here:
              How to Make Atomodine

              Edgar Cayce discusses Atomodine in depth.
              Atomidine Edgar Cayce Readings

              Originally posted by Wombat
              I did not object to the sharp flavor the iodine imparted before this, but now it is gone. thats it. this strong iodine solution is an entirely different creature (after being magnetized)
              Wombat has the very best description here, extremely worthwhile reading.

              Outstanding Research Breakthrough re: Lugol's & Edgar Cayce by TRAPPER!!!
              Trapper just started production on Lugols 5% with magnets for those interested in trying it.
              http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1962399#i
              Let us know what you think.

              So there it is. Food for thought to help everyone decide for yourselves.
              I don't have any opinions yet. Lets ask T2T.

              T2T,
              What is your opinion now, after 4 years of experience. Has magnetized iodine done anything unusually good for you? Do you think magnetized Lugols might be better in some way?

              Grizz
              Last edited by Grizz; 07-12-2012, 06:54 AM.

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              • Originally posted by youthfuliz View Post
                Interesting. But should vitamin B stink? I thought only bad stuff stink.

                Went to a doctor that school health center referred. I wanted to hear how he interpret the ultrasound. He said mine nodules are very likely benign but he suggested biopsy to confirm - I asked if the only reason for the suggestion of biopsy was the size of my nodules, he said yes. I told him I'm moving to PA soon, he said this is not an emergency, I can deal with this after I settle down in my new place.

                I told him about iodine supplement and what I read online, he is totally against it. Told me iodine deficiency is history... we don't have this problem in America now. I told him my nodules shrunk, I feel better, ect... he didn't want to hear about it. He said there's no need to supplement iodine... TOO BAD, I wasn't able to educate him. But I'm glad that my ultrasound looks good, that's actually all I wanted to hear from him. I was trying understand my ultrasound result, and needed some help there.

                I asked him to give me an iodien deficiency test, he said there's no need for that. Asked for another ultrasound to see if my nodules shrunk, he said you can ask the doctor who does your biopsy to do it... So I guess I'll find a doctor who knows about iodine next time. And use ultrasound to monitor my thyroid.

                Actually took 37.5mg iodoral this morning. Will take 25mg in the early afternoon. Feeling good.
                Liz,
                I told you your Doc would try to talk you out of iodine. The medical industry cannot tolerate anything that CURES people and which would result in a substantial drop in income. They want to endlessly TREAT symptoms, not CURE them. Can you imagine how much Breast Cancer, & mammogram revenue would go up in smoke if ALL women cured their Fibrocystic Breasts using iodine?

                Use this listing to find your next doctor. Everyone on this list supports & promotes iodine. Many thanks to Lynne Farrow, director at Breast Cancer Choices.
                Iodine Literate Practitoners Directory

                Grizz
                Last edited by Grizz; 07-12-2012, 07:30 AM.

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                • Grizz,

                  Thanks for the list again. I found one within 2 hours' drive. I'm moving in a few weeks, will contact the doctor after I settle down. I'm still reading this thread, now on page 21 out of 83, very excited about how iodine can help both men and women. I'm thinking of getting my parents to take it too, together with the cofactors.

                  Now that I'm feeling good I'm gonna get some work done here (have been doing iodine research for the last week) and get myself moved to the new place (start working in late August). Will keep posting about my iodine supplements and keep reading. I don't think I'll do anything dramatic, except maybe up the dosage. 37.5mg for the morning feels good. Will keep you posted. Hope my nodules shrink more. I've been applying lugol's iodine (2%) on my neck, the color disappears very quickly. I don't know how quickly, but I put plenty on at 11pm, when I woke up at 5:30am it was all gone. Did a skin test yesterday on my arm... it was gone within 2 hours. So I'll keep applying the liquid iodine on my thyroid, while taking the iodoral pills.

                  Liz
                  Last edited by youthfuliz; 07-12-2012, 07:39 AM.

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                  • liz,

                    Your messages have helped everyone more than you know. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with us. We are making history and the BEST is yet to come for women around the world. We are a very tiny group but we are having a BIG impact. Every member here is making a huge difference. If you see your old doctor again, ask him why he is LYING about iodine. Ask him who told him to lie. I am curious. ( I always ask members what their doctors say )

                    Grizz
                    Last edited by Grizz; 07-12-2012, 08:35 AM.

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                    • Liz's doctor is, of course, referring to deficiency only in terms of goiter and mental retardation.
                      The doctor is NOT lying, he simply doesn't know. Or do you think there's some secret message in med school where they tell the doctors "psst don't tell patients about iodine, because if you do they'll be healthy and you'll go out of business."

                      As to the magnetics, Grizz, now you're making yourself look bad, VERY bad. Edgar Cayce is best known for being a psychic and a founder of the New Age movement at the turn of the 20th century. Not exactly an authority.

                      Magnetochemists determined long ago that iodine and iodide NOT magnetic. Iodine has a magnetic susceptibility of -90. Negative means NOT magnetic. (For comparison, iron compounds are +11000.) This is not medicine, or a study of studies, or conspiracy theories. Magnetic susceptibilities of inorganic elements and compounds are easily measurable finite chemical properties which were figured out decades ago.

                      http://www-d0.fnal.gov/hardware/cal/...lementmagn.pdf

                      Are you holding up magnets to the Lugol's bottle?
                      5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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                      • Originally posted by ljbprrfmof View Post
                        No, I do not recall having made that comment. I just started my ATP Co-Factors a week or so ago.

                        LJ
                        I'm sorry, it must have been someone else. I hope I didn't dream it!LOL Anyway, I am having some issues and I wanted to see if anyone else was having problems.

                        Thanks!
                        Gwynn

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                        • Oxide,

                          I am simply answering Chronix's question on using magnets on iodine. What I posted is the history on that subject, and as I said, I don't have any opinion either way.

                          I don't agree with your opinion on doctors. You have your opinion and I have my opinion. We can agree to disagree.
                          I will someday uncover the facts on a huge conspiracy to bury and hide the miracles of iodine. I think the drug companies are behind whitewashing iodine out of the medical books and they are behind doctors being so illiterate about iodine.

                          There is BIG MONEY in cutting off womens breasts, chemotherapy, radiation therapy, and mammograms. A 500 billion dollar industry can be wiped out if iodine ever becomes popular to cure fibrocystic breasts. Let me remind everyone of this recent testimonial.
                          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post889724

                          Do not ever forget that FOUR doctors told zophie to cut off her breasts ! All four doctors were ignorant of iodine? I ask a simple question: WHY?

                          Do not ever forget that doctors in my neighborhood are telling women with breast pain to CUT THEM OFF or learn to live with them. Why?

                          IMO, Sorry but there is NO EXCUSE for so many doctors to be so ignorant. These people do have seminars, journals, papers, etc.

                          Grizz
                          Last edited by Grizz; 07-12-2012, 08:59 AM.

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                          • Hi Grizz,

                            Here is a reply to your questions redarding magnetized iodine.

                            This was my 2nd post I posted on the iodine Curezone forum almost 5 years ago. My first post was asking Trapper how powerful his magnets are? As long as the magnets ca pinch your fingers than I believe you are in the ballpark on making Nascent iodine.
                            I actually experiment painting my skin with Trapperís MagNEdyn (as I dubbed it) and my unmagnetized iodine and the MagNEdyn absorbed almost twice as fast as the un magnetized iodine.

                            generic nascent iodine with magnets at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1185230)

                            Also, magnets can greatly help in thyroid problems by stimulating the thyroid gland. Simply put a magnet on the thyroid gland for a few hours and the thyroid will revive. This technique alone will reverse thyroiditis (inflammation of the thyroid gland).

                            Thyroid Gland

                            Trapper's 'Magnetic Iodine' at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1629232)

                            Thread: Magnets and Iodine: AC or DC at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (ThreadID: 1188096)

                            BTW Although I went through a whole bottle of 5%Lugols early in my Iodine journey I just didnít like it. The strong Detox symptoms were awful. But I wasnít taking any cofactors or selenomethionine yet either.
                            I wasnít a fan of vitamin C either. (got sick every time I tried large doses.) Could it be that the medicines that depleted my K2 mk4 levels had something to do with this? I canít say. My D3 levels were in the toilet too. I am not trying to discourage anyone from taking Lugols of Vitamine C!!! Itís just that at the time elemental Iodine set in Golden Grain or Everclear alcohol became my forte to GOOD health!

                            So if any people, who try all the cofactors and selenomethionine for many months and still have issues they might think about trying the Nascent or Magnanscent Iodine to get started and then make their way to the Lugols. I know that Trapper somewhere mentioned that the body has a way to convert elemental iodine into the iodide form albeit it has a longer journey than just supplementing good old Lugols. The main thing is get some GOOD "iodine" no matter how, into your body!

                            t2t

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                            • Hi all,

                              I started painting the poisonous store bought Iodine when I first began my iodine journey. I didn't take selenomethionine until I got to very high doses. However even without the cofactors I started getting energy and feeling better. But I still had temperature issues that plagued me until a man named "Grizz" recently came on the scene at Curezone!

                              After my 2nd heart attack at age 49 the heart doctors helped me damage my thyroid with the one of the worst iodine supps that a doctor can give, Amiodarone. Also they put me on a statin ZOCOR, which depletes vitamin K which never becomes K2Ö! It also depletes one of CQ 10 which supports the heart muscle. Thatís just two of the many side effects. Wow these doctors were batting a 1000, to KILL me. They had me on Plavix and Coumadin for almost a year too.

                              Arrhythmia

                              According to a 2005 warning issued by the FDA, amiodarone is linked to pulmonary toxicity, hepatic injury and worsened arrhythmia, and should be prescribed only for life-threatening ventricular arrhythmias when other treatments are ineffective or are not tolerated.

                              In the case of amiodarone, up to 17 percent of patients who took the medication in some studies suffered lung damage. Of those who suffered lung damage, approximately 10 percent died. The concern is that many have been prescribed amiodarone for a condition known as atrial fibrillationóa condition that is not necessarily life-threatening, meaning the risks associated with the drug could have been worse than the risks associated with the condition the drug was used to treat.

                              In addition to a risk of lung problems, concurrent use of amiodarone (known by the brand names Pacerone and Cordarone) and simvastatin (known by the brand name Zocor) has been linked to an increased risk of rhabdomyolysis, which can cause kidney failure and death. According to the FDA (08/08/08), doctors should avoid doses of simvastatin greater than 20 mg per day in patients who are also taking amiodarone

                              http://www.side-effects-site.com/ami...e-effects.html


                              Amiodarone: When Off-Label Drug Use Hurts Patients


                              Amiodarone Side Effects

                              While Amiodarone is supposed to STOP heart arrhythmias, ironically the research on Amiodarone Side Effects shows that it has the tendency to actually CAUSE arrhythmias that may be even more deadly than the ones that they are supposed to be fixing! Incidentally, this is called a Paradoxical Reaction when a drug causes exactly the opposite of the desired result.

                              BTW this site has Marks Primal diet advertised! And Magnesium oil and D3.

                              http://www.side-effects-site.com/ami...#ixzz20PeEDeaA

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                              • Do not ever forget that FOUR doctors told zophie to cut off her breasts ! All four doctors were ignorant of iodine? I ask a simple question: WHY?
                                because, like i said, there is only so much one can do if every other treatment does not work for the pain
                                beautiful
                                yeah you are

                                Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                                lol

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