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  • Neckhammer,

    What is your best advice on the MilliGrams per day of iodine to take? Why?
    Dr. Brownstein now recommends 50mg daily (with required supplements) because of all the Halide Toxins we are exposed to daily.

    Grizz

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    • Well, I don't think all doctors are bad people, but many just do what's safe for themselves. They don't like to hear about things they were not educated about... I had thyroditis 11 years ago, my endo doctor was an expert, one of the best in the area, he was very kind, didn't put me on any medicine except for beta blocker... I recovered in about six months which was great. But he never once mentioned iodine. I wish he did. Since iodine deficiency can lead to thyroiditis and supplementing iodine can prevent future problems. So next time if I need an endo/thyroid doctor, I'll make sure to bring up the iodine deficiency topic and I won't go back to her/him if s/he's ignorant in that area.

      By the way, my nodule has shrunk even more. I have used 50mg from day one, with the co-vitamins, and eating oysters. Your contributions in this thread have been very helpful!!! I'll keep posting here so others can benefit from my input too.
      Last edited by youthfuliz; 07-11-2012, 05:43 AM.

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      • Liz,

        We all thank you for sharing. Iodine has only been a mainstay medicine for 150 years, so something is VERY VERY VERY wrong that doctors know nothing about it.


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        Liz,
        here is a very timely discussion for you about thyroid nodules and what Dr. Buist says about RAI (Radiation for the thyroid). Predictably she said NO WAY.
        http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/95120

        Grizz
        Last edited by Grizz; 07-11-2012, 07:24 AM.

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        • Breast Cancer Victims discuss their Fibrocystic Breasts:
          My question was, "Did everyone have Fibrocystic Breasts before the onset of Breast Cancer?"

          Re: [breastcancerthinktank] Re: Killing Breast Cancer Cells with Iodine
          I had fibrocystic breasts for 20 years or so. I was told by a doctor that it doesn't increase my chances for breast cancer. My "alternative" oncologist was really angry when I told him that...he said they've known for 30 years that fibrocystic breasts leads to cancer.
          Joellen

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          I think that's a good question. I have had fibrocystic breasts for at least 20 years and my doctor told me to quit caffeine and chocolate which I did for a good long time. It made no difference. I hated self exams because they were always scary. So my bc showed up as a lump that was small but visible. Even post surgery my surgeon told me to take evening primrose oil. Nothing about iodine! I can't wait to dump all of this info on her next time I see her because I know she's like me, trying to find good information in a big pile of garbage. It took me 2 & 1/2 years to find this information and I'm running as fast as I can to get my iodine intake up. Every day counts! Thanks for asking, Grizz.
          Dee

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          You have just described why I don't worry about BC coming back, or being systemic. Iodoral is my daily number one protection. Number two is methylselenosysteine, which supports the iodine.
          Thanks,
          Cynthia
          Yahoo! Groups
          I presented this article to their group:
          "I would like to tell you my thoughts on breast cancer and thyroid disease in an abbreviated form. Breast cancer takes around 20-30 years to develop. The discovered lump represents the end stage of slow cancer progression over decades. The longest period is the first phase of cancer development. This phase which is often called pre-cancerous happens as as a normal cell is gradually turned into a cancer cell. These pre-cancerous lesions are known as fibrocystic disease (lumpy, tender breasts) of the breast. (2-3,13-14) Most fibrocystic disease is benign, harmless and has no consequences.

          "On the other hand, some more advanced forms of fibrocystic disease have clearly defined tendencies towards breast cancer. So there are grades of fibrocystic disease with some of the cells looking more abnormal than in the benign forms. The greater the difference in the cells from normal (abnormal) the greater chance of these cells converting to a cancer cell over 10-20 years. So if you have fibrocystic disease still at the age of 45-55, you likely have had this for many years. There maybe then a significant chance the cells may change into a cancer cell. The good news is that it can be cleared up completely with a daily intake of iodine.(9)"

          "If it is true there has been a general decrease in salt intake and thus iodine intake since the 1950s, there should have been a general increase in the number of women with fibrocystic (lumpy) disease of the breast. But if as well even lower iodine intake was occurring in the female population, worse forms of fibrocystic disease would occur which are statistically directly related to breast cancer. The chances of getting breast cancer then go up considerably. Now if we put this together with the incidence of breast cancer going from 1 in 23 in the mid 1960s to 1 in 8 currently then it seems to fit together. Over the last 80 years hundreds of publications have confirmed statistical correlations between the worse forms of fibrocystic disease of the breast and subsequent breast cancer. Unfortunately if you have fibrocystic disease you really don't know what type you have without a biopsy. On the other hand if you take iodine in adequate amounts daily all of the fibrocystic disease disappears so that you are essentially preventing breast cancer from occurring. If a cancer has already started it is unlikely it will be stopped with the iodine at that dose.

          "From my personal investigations cancer is roughly divided into two phases. The first part is the pre-cancerous phase (before cancer) and involves the change of a normal cell into a cancer cell. This first phase of cancer development takes about 10-30 years. Iodine in adequate doses stops and reverses this stage of the cancer process by causing the natural death of abnormal cells (apoptosis). Iodine circulates throughout the body in the extracellular fluids found between the cells of the body. If cell surface proteins have the amino acid tyrosine on the outside, the passing iodine reacts with this tyrosine. This little reaction denatures the protein and thus kills the cell. It is implied all vertebrate cell membranes do not have tyrosine on the portion of the protein sticking out into the extracellular fluid.

          "However, the intra membrane proteins may have tyrosine which is only exposed when the membrane is distorted by abnormal cell development such as we see in the pre-cancerous forms of fibrocystic disease. This would then expose the tyrosine to the iodine passing in the extracellular fluid. Again the iodine would denature the protein by reacting with the tyrosine and thus kill off the cell. So thus we have surveillance system for removing abnormal cells from our bodies. On the other hand low iodine intake allows cells to proceed and develop towards cancer. This is more indirect because the gradual increase in abnormal cells are just not being eliminated from the body because there is inadequate iodine to carry this out.

          "Once the cell has become a cancer cell then it can take two different turns. It can multiply and spread or it can multiply and just stay where it is. The second is called carcinoma in situ. (cancer at the site) The second phase (cancer multiplying and spreading) is the part we are all familiar with. Since on average breast cancer cells double every 100 days, it takes 9 years before mammograms can pick it up and around 11 years before we find it ourselves. (15)

          "This second clinical part of the cancer phase (the spreading) seems to be arrested by adequate levels of thyroid hormone in all tissues. Thyroid hormone completely controls the connective tissue which forms a strong sieve-like barrier to the passage of cancer cells trying to spread.(16-18) Low levels of thyroid hormone in the tissues (especially connective tissues) promotes the spread of cancer cells. So the body cancer defense system has two parts iodine for the first pre-cancer phase and thyroid hormone and iodine together for the second clinical phase. There is some overlapping of these two defense systems. The excess iodine flows out in the urine. Of course, because the iodine flows out in the urine it is preventing the development of abnormal cells in the bladder and kidney system at the same time. This then prevents cancers developing there."

          "An adequate dose of iodine can be defined as more than 4 mg per day. Lugol's solution is an iodine-in-water solution used by the medical profession for 200 years. One drop (6.5 mg per drop) of Lugol's daily in water, orange juice or milk will gradually eliminate the first phase of the cancer development namely fibrocystic disease of the breast so no new cancers can start. It also will kill abnormal cells floating around in the body at remote sites from the original cancer. Of course this approach appears to work for prostate cancer as prostate cancer is similar to breast cancer in many respects. Indeed, it likely will help with most cancers. Also higher doses of iodine are required for inflammatory breast cancer. As well we know that large doses of intravenous iodine are harmless which makes one wonder what effect this would have on cancer growth."
          Derry. Iodine and the Breast -- Research
          Grizz

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          • Grizz,

            I like that article of Dr.Derry's. It seems to one that would be good to spread on facebook and other social sites.

            Derry. Iodine and the Breast -- Research

            http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

            These two links seem to be the essential two to post.

            LJ
            Learning the intricacies of healthy eating and nourishing my body the right way.
            I am not bald, that is a Vitamin D collector. Time to Grok and Roll!
            Eased into a primal diet starting at Christmas 2011. Goal weight - 205 started: 240 pounds waist 40, now 227 pounds and waist 38 Summer 2012 - weight =215 and waist is actually still 39"
            ljbprrfmof = LJ = Little John = John

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            • Originally posted by ljbprrfmof View Post
              Grizz,

              I like that article of Dr.Derry's. It seems to one that would be good to spread on facebook and other social sites.

              Derry. Iodine and the Breast -- Research


              http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

              These two links seem to be the essential two to post.

              LJ
              I agree but I am not a member of any social sites. I quit on Facebook because it ended up being a royal pain in my A--. Can everyone post those links to their facebook?

              Grizz

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              • Originally posted by lizzychan5 View Post
                The Japanese do not live a whole lot healthier life than we do. The Japanese have a large number of the population who smoke, and they burn their garbage which contributes to very poor air quality. Yet they suffer from low rates of lung cancer.

                The Japanese have also been developing a sweet tooth, look down the candy isles of your local Asian food market, mine has two whole rows of just Japanese candy. Japan has many cafes that serve just deserts, some are the all-you-can-eat type. But yet the Japanese again have extremely low rates of obesity even though their consumption of processed/sweet foods have gone up.

                The Japanese are lucky that they have such nutrient rich foods that are cheap and in abundance, I think its the main reason why they live so well. For someone like me who lives in the Midwest, trying to get fresh quality seafood and seaweed like the Japanese do is difficult and expensive. Sure eating real food would be a better way to go, but Lugol's iodine + the supplements is much cheaper and easier.
                Thats actually great! i simply quoted Dr. Davis. Seems he is held in some esteem since he is listed in your "much more" section. Any issues with his recommendations for dose of 500-1000mcg.....of which he states "A very easy way to get this dose of iodine is in the form of kelp tablets, i.e., dried seaweed, essentially mimicking the natural means of intake that also provides iodine in all its varied forms (iodide, sodium iodate, potassium iodide, potassium iodate, iodinated proteins, etc.) This has worked out well with no ill effects. " .....should likely be directed toward him, but thank you for asking my opinion Grizz .

                I'll continue to do some of my own research though.

                Peace Out.
                Last edited by Neckhammer; 07-11-2012, 10:21 AM.

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                • I finally got around to questioning the man who suggests taking 100mg of iodine to start in order to minimize detox symptoms. He is far from a crackpot and is one of the list owners at Curzone. So what he says carries some weight.
                  Here is his response:
                  Re: Why am I not having any bromide reactions now? Plateau effect? at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1962203)
                  Re: Why am I not having any bromide reactions now? Plateau effect? at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1962224)
                  Trapper also promotes "Magnetized Iodine"
                  Re: Why am I not having any bromide reactions now? Plateau effect? at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1962217)

                  This is all counter intuitive and will take a great leap of faith for anyone new to iodine to try.

                  I'll post a message over there at Curzone to see how many newbees were successful starting with 100mg++ of iodine.

                  What do you guys think of this radical idea? Is it worth investigating? I know, it all sounds crazy.

                  Grizz
                  Last edited by Grizz; 07-11-2012, 11:48 AM.

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                  • You lost me at magnetised iodine sorry Grizz. Sounds like those fuel line magnets that make your car do 200mpg.

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                    • My internet order of iodoral, ATP cofactors and lugol's iodine arrived. Tomorrow I'll be on 50mg of iodoral. I have the 12.5mg version and the 50mg version just in case I'll need to pulse dose. Oh also got my sea salt, already had one salt loading... I like the taste of it! Will use sea salt to cook from now on. Still no detox, energy level is good. I'll paint lugol's iodine (I have the 2% version) on my neck before bed I know it'll disappear in the morning.

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                      • Originally posted by youthfuliz View Post
                        My internet order of iodoral, ATP cofactors and lugol's iodine arrived. Tomorrow I'll be on 50mg of iodoral. I have the 12.5mg version and the 50mg version just in case I'll need to pulse dose. Oh also got my sea salt, already had one salt loading... I like the taste of it! Will use sea salt to cook from now on. Still no detox, energy level is good. I'll paint lugol's iodine (I have the 2% version) on my neck before bed I know it'll disappear in the morning.
                        Liz,
                        We have a guinea pig to test Trappers Research that 100mg of iodoral to start has far less of detox Symptoms:
                        How do you know how much Iodoral to take? at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1962284)

                        I have yet to be convinced, I will have to watch and see many more guinea pigs.
                        Grizz

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                        • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                          Liz,
                          We have a guinea pig to test Trappers Research that 100mg of iodoral to start has far less of detox Symptoms:
                          How do you know how much Iodoral to take? at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1962284)

                          I have yet to be convinced, I will have to watch and see many more guinea pigs.
                          Grizz
                          Since 50mg is working for me I'll keep this level for a while. I acutally could have taken 75mg in one day last weekend since the drops are hard to calculate and I simply loved how I felt with it... so I could had a 75mg day without realizing it. And I did have more brazilian nuts to go with it... Now that I have my iodoral I can be very accurate. 25mg in the morning, 25mg with lunch. If I continue to feel good with no obvious detox I may increase to 75mg. Acutally I do have other detox symptoms: yellowish urine and smelly sweat :P I'm actually glad since I know bad stuff is leaving my body. Had a minor headache for a day or so but I didn't mind it. Now about 5 days into this I think my body has got used to additional iodine in it and am happy about it. I guess after I read Dr. Brownstein's book on thyroid and iodine I may be ready to up the dosage. I ordered from his website but there was no express shipping... should have ordered from amazon.

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                          • Somehow I lost a post... but anyways, since I'm feeling well at 50mg I'll keep doing this for another week at least. I do have other detox symptoms: yellowish urine and stinky sweat Well I can tolerate them, and I know bad stuff are leaving my body, YAY!!! I think I may have had a 75mg day last weekend since the drops were hard to calculate and I loved my iodine! I did have more brazil nuts to go with it too. After I receive my Brownstein books I may feel ready to step up to 75mg. Tomorrow I'll do 25mg at breakfast, 25mg at lunch.
                            Last edited by youthfuliz; 07-11-2012, 04:40 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by chronyx View Post
                              You lost me at magnetised iodine sorry Grizz. Sounds like those fuel line magnets that make your car do 200mpg.
                              LOL! Back in the 60's, my Dad bought a used Chrysler Newport at the factory auction. After he sold it, the engineers came looking for it. My Dad played dumb about it even when they said they only wanted the spark plugs. He told the customer to watch the car. The customer reported extreme fuel efficiency and did not have to change the spark plugs for 100,000 miles. Obivously these were early prototype platinum tipped spark plugs. So this lends credence o some of those 'miracle auto parts' claims.

                              Meanwhile on the iodine front, since I have reached 50mgs with no serious detox issues, I have been thinking of jumping to 100 mg in a few steps.

                              And what is magnetized iodine?

                              LJ
                              Learning the intricacies of healthy eating and nourishing my body the right way.
                              I am not bald, that is a Vitamin D collector. Time to Grok and Roll!
                              Eased into a primal diet starting at Christmas 2011. Goal weight - 205 started: 240 pounds waist 40, now 227 pounds and waist 38 Summer 2012 - weight =215 and waist is actually still 39"
                              ljbprrfmof = LJ = Little John = John

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                              • John,

                                Didn't you say you were hearing reports of people having trouble with the ATP Co-Factors? What kind of problems were they having?

                                Gwynn

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