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  • Originally posted by jammies View Post
    But it costs literally million and millions of dollars to do the research to develop those drugs. You're not paying a fortune for the actually physical pill, the price is because 90% of the drugs they spend millions of dollars on eventually fail and it took years to develop that drug.
    Jamies,
    You missed the entire point of that report:
    There are 2 classes of drugs discussed. Name Brand & Generic.
    1) It is the Pharmacies to blame for price gouging on GENERIC drugs.
    So often we blame the drug companies for the high cost of drugs, and usually rightfully so. But in this case, the fault clearly lies with the pharmacies themselves. For example if you had to buy a prescription drug, and bought the name brand, you might pay $100 for 100 pills.
    The pharmacist might tell you that if you get the generic equivalent, they would only cost $80, making you think you are saving $20. What the pharmacist is not telling you is that those 100 generic pills may have only cost him $10!
    2) It pays to shop around.
    Two examples of huge discount pharmacies were given that charge 80% less than your typical drug store for generic drugs.

    Sorry that wasn't clear. I went back to correct that message ,
    Grizz
    Last edited by Grizz; 06-30-2012, 01:14 PM.

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    • Originally posted by jammies View Post
      But it costs literally million and millions of dollars to do the research to develop those drugs. You're not paying a fortune for the actually physical pill, the price is because 90% of the drugs they spend millions of dollars on eventually fail and it took years to develop that drug.
      Unfortunately, that is what the drug companies want us to believe. The truth is that very little R&D is going on, most new drugs are derivatives or re-purposing of older drugs. Advertising and profits are the lion's share of the price of drugs.

      Drug companies charge Americans way more than they charge other countries for the same drugs, because they think the traffic will bear it.

      For example, I used to use Flonase nasal spray frequently for allergies and asthma. The generic didn't work well for me, so I wanted the name brand. My insurance co-pay (Blue Cross PPO) was $125 per bottle for a one month's supply. The least expensive in the US I could find at an internet pharmacy was $90. A Canadian pharmacy was selling the same medication, made for New Zealand by the same company, GlaxoSmithKline, for $25 per bottle + $10 shipping from New Zealand.
      Now, if the Canadian pharmacy can sell it for $25, with someone in New Zealand also making a profit, how much does that bottle really cost to make? GlaxoSmithKline is not going to wholesale it at a loss.

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      • Originally posted by Owl View Post
        Unfortunately, that is what the drug companies want us to believe. The truth is that very little R&D is going on, most new drugs are derivatives or re-purposing of older drugs. Advertising and profits are the lion's share of the price of drugs.

        Drug companies charge Americans way more than they charge other countries for the same drugs, because they think the traffic will bear it.

        For example, I used to use Flonase nasal spray frequently for allergies and asthma. The generic didn't work well for me, so I wanted the name brand. My insurance co-pay (Blue Cross PPO) was $125 per bottle for a one month's supply. The least expensive in the US I could find at an internet pharmacy was $90. A Canadian pharmacy was selling the same medication, made for New Zealand by the same company, GlaxoSmithKline, for $25 per bottle + $10 shipping from New Zealand.
        Now, if the Canadian pharmacy can sell it for $25, with someone in New Zealand also making a profit, how much does that bottle really cost to make? GlaxoSmithKline is not going to wholesale it at a loss.
        Owl,
        Excellent report. And the point I was trying to make is that when the drug goes to generic status. the new thieves on the block are the drugstores with 3,000% markups and more. My asthma inhalers can be purchased at an 80% discount by shopping around. Costco & my Canadian Pharmacy both sell my asthma inhalers for similar discounts compared to what I was forced to pay at my local drugstore.

        Grizz

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        • Originally posted by Owl View Post
          Unfortunately, that is what the drug companies want us to believe. The truth is that very little R&D is going on, most new drugs are derivatives or re-purposing of older drugs. Advertising and profits are the lion's share of the price of drugs.

          Drug companies charge Americans way more than they charge other countries for the same drugs, because they think the traffic will bear it.

          .
          I don't want to give the impression that i am pro-big pharma, because I'm not and I agree that many, many drugs are over prescribed. But the fact is that there are lots and lots of new drugs out there every year that have been created and tested by big pharma. There is a lot of research that takes place in many of these companies. There are some that specialize in just what you said, but not all. I am in the field of immunology research and I see lots of R&D done by companies.
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          • I'm afraid one of the biggest "Research" expenses Drug Companies have is bribing Fed & State public officials.

            Grizz
            Last edited by Grizz; 07-01-2012, 06:56 AM.

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            • Iodine Q&A
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              This is very good,
              Iodine and Orthoiodosupplementation Frequently Asked Questions FAQ

              Grizz

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              • Ovarian Cysts Cured by Iodine
                ======================

                Great research by Wombat at the CureZone:
                DISEASE STATES~ OVARIAN CYSTS~ can iodine therapy help? Nutrition > Supplements and Products > Iodine and Orthoiodosupplementation FAQ

                I'm going to send Wombat my Heart for this research.



                Grizz

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                • checking back in. Been on Iodone and supps for several months now. No improvement in urinary smptoms at all. And now I know the reason. I had a follow up appt with my urologist and we did an ultrasound of my prostate. It is perfect. In his words "a prostate any 20 year old would be proud to have" (I'm 52). My entire urinary tract appears to be perfect. No blockages whatsoever in the urethra.
                  He is at a loss as to what is causing my symptoms (frequency, weak stream). He's never run into anyone like me and all he can suggest is to keep taking the alfuzosin.
                  So that's why iodine did not help. I have a perfect prostate.

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                  • Originally posted by Dave RN View Post
                    checking back in. Been on Iodone and supps for several months now. No improvement in urinary smptoms at all. And now I know the reason. I had a follow up appt with my urologist and we did an ultrasound of my prostate. It is perfect. In his words "a prostate any 20 year old would be proud to have" (I'm 52). My entire urinary tract appears to be perfect. No blockages whatsoever in the urethra.
                    He is at a loss as to what is causing my symptoms (frequency, weak stream). He's never run into anyone like me and all he can suggest is to keep taking the alfuzosin.
                    So that's why iodine did not help. I have a perfect prostate.
                    Dave,
                    Congratulations on your perfect prostate ! Yet you still have frequency & weak stream. That is a new one on me and I am also at a loss. If I discover anything on this set of symptoms, I'll post a message for you.

                    Grizz

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                    • Hi Dave,

                      So glad it isn't your prostate!

                      A weak urinary stream is one of the early signs of a blockage the urinary tract. It can be from a scar in the urethra which we refer to as a stricture. It occurs most commonly in men, who are in their fifties. There are other causes that can be treated such as what we call a bladder neck obstruction which is in a different location than the prostate, but actually, on top of the prostate right at the neck of the bladder.

                      Bladder Control And The Prostate (Incontinence)

                      Hope this helps.

                      t2t

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                      • Originally posted by t2t View Post
                        Hi Dave,

                        So glad it isn't your prostate!

                        A weak urinary stream is one of the early signs of a blockage the urinary tract. It can be from a scar in the urethra which we refer to as a stricture. It occurs most commonly in men, who are in their fifties. There are other causes that can be treated such as what we call a bladder neck obstruction which is in a different location than the prostate, but actually, on top of the prostate right at the neck of the bladder.

                        Bladder Control And The Prostate (Incontinence)

                        Hope this helps.

                        t2t
                        t2t,
                        >>I had a follow up appt with my urologist and we did an ultrasound of my prostate.

                        It would seem to me that any urologist would (or should) spot these items easily. How can a man who spends his life working with the prostate miss such obvious problems? Do you think Dave's urologist is incompetent?
                        Does he need a 2nd opinion? I'm not even a urologist and I know of strictures & bladder necks. How could a trained urologist miss these?

                        The more I learn about what doctors tell their patients, the more furious I get. The ULTIMATE OUTRAGE is doctors telling my neighbors that they must learn to live with their fibrocystic breast pain, or CUT THEM OFF !

                        T2T, I think that you and I should have become doctors.

                        Here is a nice article on Overactive Bladder. The need to urinate when there is nothing wrong with the prostate and could be the bladder itself or nerves controlling the bladder. Could be a bladder infection. Dave, there are thousands of hits in Google for Overactive Bladder. Maybe you can show some of these articles to your urologist, sometimes doctors need our help.

                        Grizz
                        Last edited by Grizz; 07-02-2012, 08:15 AM.

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                        • Dave, if it's likely to be a nerve problem, why don't you ask Dr. Kruse about it? He's a neurosurgeon and might be able to point you in a direction to go. Join his forum, and there is a section called Ask Jack where he answers questions. Make it short and succinct, he tends to skim through very long passages. He usually gives you an answer, and then closes the thread, so no follow up.
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                          • Hi Grizz,

                            If the doctor did check for these other things then my next question would be what other prescribed medications is Dave on?
                            (actually this is the first question a doctor should ask)... a lot easier to stop a medication to see if it is the culprit than do all those tests!

                            Some other drug's side effect, could be suspect if it isn’t the bladder or nerve damage.

                            "Coreg" and or maybe the statin I used to be on (I quit them at the same time, on my own) caused me to constantly get choked on food.

                            I got a very small piece of steak stuck in my throat and I had to be put to sleep for the doctor to get it out. I suffered with this severe swallowing problem for almost 5 years and am "cured" after stopping those two meds.

                            I even had doctors watch on a TV monitor as I swallowed and they said I was symptomatic for a permanent swallowing disorder and would have to eat tiny pieces of food the rest of my life.
                            Last edited by t2t; 07-02-2012, 10:04 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by t2t View Post
                              Hi Grizz,

                              If the doctor did check for these other things then my next question would be what other prescribed medications is Dave on?
                              (actually this is the first question a doctor should ask)... a lot easier to stop a medication to see if it is the culprit than do all those tests!

                              Some other drug's side effect, could be suspect if it isn’t the bladder or nerve damage.

                              "Coreg" and or maybe the statin I used to be on (I quit them at the same time, on my own) caused me to constantly get choked on food.

                              I got a very small piece of steak stuck in my throat and I had to be put to sleep for the doctor to get it out. I suffered with this severe swallowing problem for almost 5 years and am "cured" after stopping those two meds.

                              I even had doctors watch on a TV monitor as I swallowed and they said I was symptomatic for a permanent swallowing disorder and would have to eat tiny pieces of food the rest of my life.
                              Ugh, I had to take the barium swallow test several times after my stroke to prove I was capable of eating whole foods. There is a little 'shelf' in the back of your throat that is supposed to dump any food or liquids down your esophogus. My stroke has interupted the signal for it. I still sometimes get choking or coughing attacks just by not paying attention to the spit in my mouth. And I hack until I can get another swallow organized. They kept me on softened foods for several weeks, until I was able to prove myslf choking to death-proof.
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                              • Originally posted by t2t View Post
                                Hi Grizz,

                                If the doctor did check for these other things then my next question would be what other prescribed medications is Dave on?
                                (actually this is the first question a doctor should ask)... a lot easier to stop a medication to see if it is the culprit than do all those tests!

                                Some other drug's side effect, could be suspect if it isn’t the bladder or nerve damage.

                                "Coreg" and or maybe the statin I used to be on (I quit them at the same time, on my own) caused me to constantly get choked on food.

                                I got a very small piece of steak stuck in my throat and I had to be put to sleep for the doctor to get it out. I suffered with this severe swallowing problem for almost 5 years and am "cured" after stopping those two meds.

                                I even had doctors watch on a TV monitor as I swallowed and they said I was symptomatic for a permanent swallowing disorder and would have to eat tiny pieces of food the rest of my life.
                                T2T,
                                You are RIGHT ON !
                                All of those drugs prescribed by doctors have NASTY side effects. If you want to be shocked, do a google search of Viagra Side Effects. The side effects of Viagra are HORRIFIC ! Fortunately most people don't suffer from these side effects.

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                                http://www.naturalnews.com/036358_bl...c_disease.html
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                                The highest-ever award in an Israeli class-action suit against a drug manufacturer – NIS 12.1 million – was recently made under a compromise agreement reached between a diabetes patient and GlaxoSmithKline, the maker of Avandia.

                                The suit had been filed by a diabetic who claimed that GSK had concealed data from the public that showed the drug, which is used to treat people with type-2 diabetes, increased the risk of dying from a heart attack.
                                http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...mpany-1.448282
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                                Glaxo SmithKine HORROR story!
                                Drug giant GlaxoSmithKline agreed to cough up a record $3 billion penalty to settle sweeping US criminal and civil probes for illegally peddling many of its most popular meds for more than a decade.
                                The charges included bribing doctors, cooking safety data, rigging prices and pushing potent drugs on teens for risky and unapproved uses. Some of the misuses turned life-threatening, according to officials.

                                The feds said the company, in one key scheme, lavished doctors with luxury spa junkets, gifts and millions in speaking fees in a conspiracy to boost prescriptions for the antidepressant pill Wellbutrin. The firm fraudulently claimed it also worked for weight-loss, curbing substance abuse and treating sexual dysfunction.


                                Glaxo’s sales force even hawked the pricey drug to doctors as the “happy, horny, skinny pill,” concealing that it was never approved for any of those uses and likely was dangerous.
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                                A total of nine drugs were targeted in the crackdown, including
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                                * Imitrex,
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                                http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...0NWUunh1l2SPZK
                                Grizz
                                Last edited by Grizz; 07-03-2012, 10:24 AM.

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