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  • I assume those are manufacturing costs and don't include advertising fees, R and D costs, etc?

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    • India

      My intent here is not to derail this great thread but just to shed some light on what goes on in India for those who may be considering buying their prescription drugs from over there. Their quality control may not be the greatest.

      WARNING! The images in the following link are very graphic in nature, for example it is a common practice to float their dead down river all the while people are bathing in the same river. You have have to see it to believe it. Yet there is even more discusting horrifying aspects of the Indian culture that I won't go into.

      India The Dark Side

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      • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
        Did you ever wonder how much it costs a drug company for the active ingredient in prescription medications? Some people think it must cost a lot, since many drugs sell for more than $2.00 per tablet. We did a search of offshore chemical synthesizers that supply the active ingredients found in drugs approved by the FDA. As we have revealed in past issues of Life Extension a significant percentage of drugs sold in the United States contain active ingredients made in other countries. In our independent investigation of how much profit drug companies really make, we obtained the actual price of active ingredients used in some of the most popular drugs sold in America ..

        Celebrex:100 mg
        Consumer price (100 tablets): $130.27
        Cost of general active ingredients: $0.60
        Percent markup: 21,712%
        ...
        Truncated for space reasons
        While there's no doubt that drug companies (like most any other) are out to make as much profit as they can, this is really an unfair measure. By counting only the cost of the active ingredients and calling all the rest "markup", they are leaving out such costs as processing plants, research, employees, and a whole host of others that any large company has (marketing, legal, accounting, etc). I'd venture to say that there are any number of other industries where they would also find that the end products sell for similar multiples of the cost of the raw materials used to make them.
        LastBottleWines

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        • Originally posted by ljbprrfmof View Post
          I take a Klor-con tablet everyday. I have learned to swallow this horse pill without a problem. But I was wondering if there was a better, non-perscription form of potasium I could/should be taking? It is 'Potasium Chloride' so I was wondering if there was another non-halide solution. What foods in what quantities should I be eating? I think fruits contain potasium, but I have type II diabetes, so I can not eat much.
          John,
          I could not find a Generic for your Klor-Con. It must still be under patent?

          If there are no Generic drugs available, then the greedy drug companies have got you by the balls. It seems like there should be natural foods available to supply those nutrients?

          Grizz

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          • ...some of us seem to have a problem taking the ATP co-factors. Well a possible reason/connection here. ATP co-factors contains high amounts (500mg) of B3. From this article on Methylation:

            Excess niacin (B3) is metabolized by methylation and thus uses up methyl groups. Also aim for 50 mg or less. These values are likely for an adult so a child needs much less.

            According to Pfeiffer, "Actually excess niacin (B3) is metabolized by methylation and thus uses up methyl groups." So if you are an over-methylator, meaning you have extra, then B3 is good because it uses them up, but if you are an under-methylator, meaning deficient, then giving extra B3 is bad because it drains an already poor supply.


            and

            Q: How does high dose niacin (vitamin B3) fit in with methylation?

            A: Actually excess niacin is metabolized by methylation and thus uses up methyl groups. One source suggests to aim for under 75mg (usually ~50mg) of niacin+niacinamide per day from supplements. If you are taking large quantities of B3, please get your homocysteine and SAM checked to make sure this niacin isn't excessively taxing the methyl metabolism. Likewise some supplements have lots of B6 (e.g. 100mg) and between 20 and 50mg per day of B6, or less, might be better.

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            • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
              John,
              I could not find a Generic for your Klor-Con. It must still be under patent?

              If there are no Generic drugs available, then the greedy drug companies have got you by the balls. It seems like there should be natural foods available to supply those nutrients?

              Grizz
              Grizz, I was looking for supplwmwents and found several that would provide potassium without the chloride. Another example of using chloride to deliver.

              LJ
              Learning the intricacies of healthy eating and nourishing my body the right way.
              I am not bald, that is a Vitamin D collector. Time to Grok and Roll!
              Eased into a primal diet starting at Christmas 2011. Goal weight - 205 started: 240 pounds waist 40, now 227 pounds and waist 38 Summer 2012 - weight =215 and waist is actually still 39"
              ljbprrfmof = LJ = Little John = John

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              • Originally posted by hebsie View Post
                ...some of us seem to have a problem taking the ATP co-factors. Well a possible reason/connection here. ATP co-factors contains high amounts (500mg) of B3. From this article on Methylation:
                Hebsie,
                This is news to me. Who are "some?" I have seen no one in this group and no one in the CureZone Group report any problems at all from taking the ATP cofactors caplet. Not even any flushing. What exactly are the "problems?" Please supply links to these problems.Which B3 are you referring to? There is a B3 that causes severe flushing, and the B3 in ATP cofactors that is flush free. You can't lump both of these to a common B3. Dr. Brownstein recommends the B3 found in the ATP cofactors, which is flush free.
                Discussion of ATP Cofactors

                This is the only reported side effect on a google search of ATP Cofactors Side Effects:
                SIDE EFFECTS
                The flushing associated with niacin is avoided by using a non flushing derivative of niacin. The Urine turns dark yellow due to the excretion of Riboflavin and may stain undergarment in subjects with urinary incontinence.
                I would call the urine a Bright Yellow color.

                Grizz
                Last edited by Grizz; 06-30-2012, 07:25 AM.

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                • Originally posted by ljbprrfmof View Post
                  Grizz, I was looking for supplwmwents and found several that would provide potassium without the chloride. Another example of using chloride to deliver.
                  LJ
                  Oh, John you hit on a raw nerve. Do you mean using chlorides to break into the cell membrane or get past the blood/brain barrier? I have noticed that most of the drug ingredients that I have looked into use Bromide, fluoride or Chlorine to sneak their active ingredients into the cells. But notice they NEVER use iodine to sneak into the cells. IMO, they could use healthy iodine to sneak their drug into the cells instead of halide toxins, but they won't because that would improve health in the patient. No, they focus on delivering their drugs into the cells with the Halide TOXINS instead. Just my opinion and I could be obviously dead wrong.

                  So it seems to me that if you are taking iodine supplements with your potassium, then iodine should carry your potassium into your cells in a more healthy way. Here is another thought, Lugols contains both iodine AND Potassium Iodide. Could Lugols be giving you all the Potassium you need? What do you think?

                  Chloride

                  Grizz
                  Last edited by Grizz; 06-30-2012, 07:48 AM.

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                  • Save Money on Iodine:
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                    Here is 33 oz. (1 liter) of 2% Lugol's for $66 delivered. That is $2 per ounce.

                    Lugol's Iodine solution 2.2% - 1 Liter (33.8 oz) 628586740792 | eBay
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                    • Really grizz, I don't think they're using chloride as a binder material solely to keep out iodne and keep us unhealthy. That sort of thinking sounds too deep to be a conspiracy theory, don't you think? They probably picked chloride because it's cheaper or because it's a better binder, that's all.

                      That part about the excessive riboflavin and niacin is interesting. I'm still working on my first bottle of B complex, but I'm now taking two pills for a total of 200 mg niacine 10 mg ribo. (I think, I don't ahve the bottle at the moment.) I too am getting the bright yellow urine, but nothing dark. I'm a bit hesistant about going up to the full ATP cofactor dose.

                      I haven't started the full iodine protocol yet. I'm still waiting on that.
                      5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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                      • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                        Oh, John you hit on a raw nerve. Do you mean using chlorides to break into the cell membrane or get past the blood/brain barrier? I have noticed that most of the drug ingredients that I have looked into use Bromide, fluoride or Chlorine to sneak their active ingredients into the cells. But notice they NEVER use iodine to sneak into the cells. IMO, they could use healthy iodine to sneak their drug into the cells instead of halide toxins, but they won't because that would improve health in the patient. No, they focus on delivering their drugs into the cells with the Halide TOXINS instead. Just my opinion and I could be obviously dead wrong.

                        So it seems to me that if you are taking iodine supplements with your potassium, then iodine should carry your potassium into your cells in a more healthy way. Here is another thought, Lugols contains both iodine AND Potassium Iodide. Could Lugols be giving you all the Potassium you need? What do you think?

                        Chloride

                        Grizz
                        I did a bing search on klor-con. The report said it was potassium chloride. So I just assumed it has the chloride type of salt to be a binder. When I searched for supplements, I found Sundown Naturals (which my pharmacist recommends) has two kinds. A potassium gluconate and potassium multi. The same happpened when I searched Swanson's Vitamins. I got the gluconate and other various formulations. None had chloride though. I was particularly distressed when I read the wikkipedia entry about klor-con, that potassium chloride has been used in lethal injections and Dr. Kervokian's suicide machine. It is bad enough that I take rat poison to thin my blood.
                        Learning the intricacies of healthy eating and nourishing my body the right way.
                        I am not bald, that is a Vitamin D collector. Time to Grok and Roll!
                        Eased into a primal diet starting at Christmas 2011. Goal weight - 205 started: 240 pounds waist 40, now 227 pounds and waist 38 Summer 2012 - weight =215 and waist is actually still 39"
                        ljbprrfmof = LJ = Little John = John

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                        • That Wicki Report is AMAZING:
                          Potassium chloride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                          They have you taking fertilizer pills!
                          That must be why they want you to take it. It helps you to grow?

                          Potassium Chloride is a natural mineral. Why do they charge so much for klor-con? Do they enhance it with Magical Pixie Dust?

                          Grizz

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                          • Originally posted by ljbprrfmof View Post
                            I did a bing search on klor-con. The report said it was potassium chloride. So I just assumed it has the chloride type of salt to be a binder. When I searched for supplements, I found Sundown Naturals (which my pharmacist recommends) has two kinds. A potassium gluconate and potassium multi. The same happpened when I searched Swanson's Vitamins. I got the gluconate and other various formulations. None had chloride though. I was particularly distressed when I read the wikkipedia entry about klor-con, that potassium chloride has been used in lethal injections and Dr. Kervokian's suicide machine. It is bad enough that I take rat poison to thin my blood.
                            Potassium chloride is definitely not poison. They give a massive IV dose to cause death, but like most things the poison is in the dose.

                            I need to take potassium chloride daily. I hate the huge pills and they gave me esophogitis. Now I just buy purified potassium chloride (NOW brand) and keep very concentrated solution in water in the fridge. They I dilute a bit of it every day in water and drink it. Works great for me.
                            Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                            http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                            • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                              Did you ever wonder how much it costs a drug company for the active ingredient in prescription medications? Some people think it must cost a lot, since many drugs sell for more than $2.00 per tablet. We did a search of offshore chemical synthesizers that supply the active ingredients found in drugs approved by the FDA. As we have revealed in past issues of Life Extension a significant percentage of drugs sold in the United States contain active ingredients made in other countries. In our independent investigation of how much profit drug companies really make, we obtained the actual price of active ingredients used in some of the most popular drugs sold in America ..

                              Celebrex:100 mg
                              Consumer price (100 tablets): $130.27
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $0.60
                              Percent markup: 21,712%


                              Claritin:10 mg
                              Consumer Price (100 tablets): $215.17
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $0.71
                              Percent markup: 30,306%


                              Keflex:250 mg
                              Consumer Price (100 tablets): $157.39
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $1.88
                              Percent markup: 8,372%


                              Lipitor:20 mg
                              Consumer Price (100 tablets): $272.37
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $5.80
                              Percent markup: 4,696%
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                              Norvasc:10 mg
                              Consumer price (100 tablets): $188.29
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $0.14
                              Percent markup: 134,493%


                              Paxil:20 mg
                              Consumer price (100 tablets): $220.27
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $7.60
                              Percent markup: 2,898%


                              Prevacid:30 mg
                              Consumer price (100 tablets): $44.77
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $1.01
                              Percent markup: 34,136%


                              Prilosec: 20 mg
                              Consumer price (100 tablets): $360.97
                              Cost of general active ingredients $0.52
                              Percent markup: 69,417%


                              Prozac:20 mg
                              Consumer price (100 tablets) : $247.47
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $0.11
                              Percent markup: 224,973%


                              Tenormin:50 mg
                              Consumer price (100 tablets): $104.47
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $0.13
                              Percent markup: 80,362%


                              Vasotec:10 mg
                              Consumer price (100 tablets): $102.37
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $0.20
                              Percent markup: 51,185%


                              Xanax:1 mg
                              Consumer price (100 tablets) : $136.79
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $0.024
                              Percent markup: 569,958%


                              Zestril:20 mg
                              Consumer price (100 tablets) $89.89
                              Cost of general active ingredients $3.20
                              Percent markup: 2,809%


                              Zithromax:600 mg
                              Consumer price (100 tablets): $1,482.19
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $18.78
                              Percent markup: 7,892%


                              Zocor:40 mg
                              Consumer price (100 tablets): $350.27
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $8.63
                              Percent markup: 4,059%

                              Zoloft:50 mg
                              Consumer price: $206.87
                              Cost of general active ingredients: $1.75
                              Percent markup: 11,821%


                              Since the cost of prescription drugs is so outrageous, I thought everyone should know about this.
                              It pays to shop around! This helps to solve the mystery as to why they can afford to put a Walgreen's on every corner. On Monday night, Steve Wilson, an investigative reporter for Channel 7 News in Detroit , did a story on generic drug prices gouging by pharmacies. He found in his investigation that some of these generic drugs were marked up as much as 3,000% or more. So often we blame the drug companies for the high cost of drugs, and usually rightfully so. But in this case, the fault clearly lies with the pharmacies themselves. For example if you had to buy a prescription drug, and bought the name brand, you might pay $100 for 100 pills.
                              The pharmacist might tell you that if you get the generic equivalent, they would only cost $80, making you think you are saving $20. What the pharmacist is not telling you is that those 100 generic pills may have only cost him $10!

                              At the end of the report, one of the anchors asked Mr. Wilson whether or not there were any pharmacies that did not adhere to this practice, and he said that Costco consistently charged little over their cost for the generic drugs.

                              Bottom line, when it comes to Generic Drugs it REALLY pays to shop around.
                              These 2 generic drug suppliers are very hard to beat on prices:
                              Canadian Pharmacy | Prescription Drugs Online | Global Pharmacy Canada
                              Costco Drug Information

                              Please let us know if you have a more cost effective supplier,
                              Grizz
                              But it costs literally million and millions of dollars to do the research to develop those drugs. You're not paying a fortune for the actually physical pill, the price is because 90% of the drugs they spend millions of dollars on eventually fail and it took years to develop that drug.
                              Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                              http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                              • Gems from The Internet

                                Another success story - Iodine cures Painful Fibrocyctic Breasts
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                                Sore doesn't sufficiently discribe how badly my breast hurt 3/4 of the time. I had tried everything for 23 years with extremely limited relief. At this point, I feel I have to share that I have gotten phenominol relief from Magnascent Iodine!!! My breast have not felt this close to "normal" since before I had my 24 year old!!!! I am 47 and have lived in "booby hell" for 23 1/2 years!!! I put 18 drops in 4 oz of water every morning. Doesn't taste great but that is a small price to pay! Just had to share this as is was a similar post that my husband found that directed me to it>
                                fibrocystic breast misery relief at Fibrocystic Breast Disease Forum (MessageID: 1703454)
                                And still doctors are telling women in our neighborhood to learn to live with the fibrocystic pain cut them off.

                                So once again it pays to shop around for an iodine trained doctor. Not ALL doctors are ignorant of iodine:

                                List of iodine aware doctors
                                Iodine Literate Practitoners Directory

                                Grizz

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