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  • Originally posted by Owl View Post
    Another temperature clue occurs first thing in the morning before you raise from your bed. Dr. Broda Barnes, a doctor who paid attention to clinical presentation and prescribed the pre-reformulated Armour, found that a healthy before-rising morning basal temp should be between 97.8 – 98.2. If it’s higher, you may be hyperthyroid, and if it’s lower, you are most likely hypothyroid. He also recommended under-the-arm temperature testing, but patients have found oral to be just as effective."
    I am wondering about this. I chart my basal temperatures. An ovulating woman's temps change throughout her cycle. My lowest (pre-ovulation) are usually 97.6 and highest (post) are 98.8. How do you figure out your thyroid with those natural variations? Btw, I take mine vaginally, if that makes a difference.

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    • Wow Grizz,

      Your ther-"mom"-meter is such a fantastic find! One could never go wrong if your medical diagnoses instrument of choice is Mom approved.

      Women have some extra factors to consider when measuring their true temperature.

      Basal body temperature = BBTs

      The higher levels of estrogen present during the pre-ovulatory (follicular) phase of the menstrual cycle lower BBTs. The higher levels of progesterone released by the corpus luteum after ovulation raise BBTs. The rise in temperatures can most commonly be seen the day after ovulation, but this varies and BBTs can only be used to estimate ovulation within a three day range.[2]

      Basal body temperature is the lowest temperature attained by the body during rest (usually during sleep). It is generally measured immediately after awakening and before any physical activity has been undertaken, although the temperature measured at that time is somewhat higher than the true basal body temperature (see Fig. 1). In women, ovulation causes an increase of one-half to one degree Fahrenheit (one-quarter to one-half degree Celsius) in basal body temperature (BBT); monitoring of BBTs is one way of estimating the day of ovulation. The tendency of a woman to have lower temperatures before ovulation, and higher temperatures afterwards, is known as a biphasic pattern.

      Basal body temperature - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      t2t

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      • Originally posted by t2t View Post
        Women have some extra factors to consider when measuring their true temperature.

        Basal body temperature = BBTs

        The higher levels of estrogen present during the pre-ovulatory (follicular) phase of the menstrual cycle lower BBTs. The higher levels of progesterone released by the corpus luteum after ovulation raise BBTs. The rise in temperatures can most commonly be seen the day after ovulation, but this varies and BBTs can only be used to estimate ovulation within a three day range.[2]

        Basal body temperature is the lowest temperature attained by the body during rest (usually during sleep). It is generally measured immediately after awakening and before any physical activity has been undertaken, although the temperature measured at that time is somewhat higher than the true basal body temperature (see Fig. 1). In women, ovulation causes an increase of one-half to one degree Fahrenheit (one-quarter to one-half degree Celsius) in basal body temperature (BBT); monitoring of BBTs is one way of estimating the day of ovulation. The tendency of a woman to have lower temperatures before ovulation, and higher temperatures afterwards, is known as a biphasic pattern.

        t2t
        Yes. Exactly. So how do you apply that healthy thyroid range of 97.8-98.2 (quoted above) to an ovulating woman's cycle? Is it the monthly average or do you take it at a certain point in the cycle?

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        • Hi jaye,

          I didn't see your post as I was typing mine at the time you posted. Anyway the thought about my wife who was going through menopause a few years back came in my head and it bothered me on a truly accurate measurement during menopause for her because her hormones were running amuck and she could have her cold foot on my back and suddenly it would heat up instantly. But for a premenopausal woman with the ovulation cycle... I don't know??? Oh. She is post now but even now her hormones get wild at times.

          I used to say "I'm sorry" once month for years. Now it seems like twice a week...

          t2t
          Last edited by t2t; 06-14-2012, 01:57 PM.

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          • I used to say "I'm sorry" once month for years. Now it seems like twice a week...
            Not every day, like me?

            LJ
            Learning the intricacies of healthy eating and nourishing my body the right way.
            I am not bald, that is a Vitamin D collector. Time to Grok and Roll!
            Eased into a primal diet starting at Christmas 2011. Goal weight - 205 started: 240 pounds waist 40, now 227 pounds and waist 38 Summer 2012 - weight =215 and waist is actually still 39"
            ljbprrfmof = LJ = Little John = John

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            • T2T,

              You are Da MAN ! You showed up just in the niche of time to rescue me from a TOUGH question by Jaye ! What do I know about female temp swings with cycles ? DUH !

              You came through with an impressive answer!

              Grizz

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              • @Grizz, I don’t think I quite gave the answer, that jaye seeks?

                @jaye, At first glance I would say during a given point in time during the cycle but the more I researched it, the more I would say the monthly average would be the way to go.

                This site really will open your eyes and shut down brain function, regarding the best time to get an exact true reading on a fertile lady.

                It has some tidbits of gold for all people too. 5 hours after being asleep seems to be the best time of night to get a true reading but as to several days before the period, or after it seems a crap shoot.

                Despite the fact that 158 years passed since Von Fricke`s
                study on vaginal temperature this basal body temperature is
                still probably the most widely used aid in the
                identification of the ovulation day. However, it seems that
                there was not much attention paid to the best hour of
                temperature recording after the onset of a nocturnal sleep.
                Based on recent studies it seems that 5 hours after
                nocturnal sleep onset can give a better basal body
                temperature recording that will more reflect the ovulatory
                effects upon the other factors.

                However, until more sleep studies are performed in women in
                a controlled manner, it will be difficult if not impossible
                to make any conclusive remarks about the appropriate time
                for BBT measurement.

                BBT, nocturnal sleep and ovulation
                Last edited by t2t; 06-14-2012, 06:23 PM.

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                • Originally posted by t2t View Post
                  @Grizz, I don’t think I quite gave the answer, that jaye seeks?

                  @jaye, At first glance I would say during a given point in time during the cycle but the more I researched it, the more I would say the monthly average would be the way to go.

                  This site really will open your eyes and shut down brain function, regarding the best time to get an exact true reading on a fertile lady.

                  It has some tidbits of gold for all people too. 5 hours after being asleep seems to be the best time of night to get a true reading but as to several days before the period, or after it seems a crap shoot.

                  Despite the fact that 158 years passed since Von Fricke`s
                  study on vaginal temperature this basal body temperature is
                  still probably the most widely used aid in the
                  identification of the ovulation day. However, it seems that
                  there was not much attention paid to the best hour of
                  temperature recording after the onset of a nocturnal sleep.
                  Based on recent studies it seems that 5 hours after
                  nocturnal sleep onset can give a better basal body
                  temperature recording that will more reflect the ovulatory
                  effects upon the other factors.

                  However, until more sleep studies are performed in women in
                  a controlled manner, it will be difficult if not impossible
                  to make any conclusive remarks about the appropriate time
                  for BBT measurement.

                  BBT, nocturnal sleep and ovulation
                  Yeah. I'm thinking the monthly average makes the most sense, too. Thanks T2T!

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                  • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                    @@owl,
                    @@lizzy,

                    I would LOVE to hear what excuse your doctors give for directing you not to take iodine, and what they will mumble when you tell them iodine is required for human health. Make them explain themselves.
                    My doc is also a DO, who specializes in thyroid. He's open to most of what I suggest. But when I first went to him for my thyroid and told him I had just started on iodine, he said that the meds he was putting me on had some iodine in them. He didn't want me adding more to it - he persuaded me to hold off on it. Of course, the meds don't have very much. It sounded like he just wasn't knowledgeable about iodine, like most docs. I don't think he'll be upset with me, I got the feeling that he didn't think it was necessary to take much iodine.


                    As far as taking temps for women, from STTM:

                    WHAT ABOUT MENSTRUATING OR OVULATING WOMEN? Your internal body temperature can be very reactive to your female hormonal state, making it lower or higher than normal. So knowing what is going on within is important to evaluating a temperature. Check your temps before days 19 22 of your cycle, with day 1 being the day you started your period.

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                    • Originally posted by lizzychan5 View Post
                      I think my doc is just pretty ignorant on the subject of iodine and it relating to the thyroid. He's a DO and deals a lot with holistic medicine, which is kinda why I went to him in the first place. I thought he might know a bit more then a typical MD general practitioner. When I first told him my symptoms he was sure I was hypothyroid too, but the tests came back normal (normal TSH, free t4 and free t3) and I came back negative with hashimoto's and graves disease. He didn't say I shouldn't take iodine, he kinda left me with the impression that he thinks it'll probably not help me with anything, but he gave me the go ahead to experiment with it. He actually thought lugol's solution was only available via a prescription, and was shocked I could just order it off amazon.
                      Did he test ReverseT3? That can inhibit T3 from being utilized by your cells. So the T3 labs look great, but it's not doing anything for you. RT3 must be tested at the same time as FT3, and a ratio of the two is calculated.

                      Also, according to STTM, FT3 should be at the top of the lab range, FT4 should be mid range or higher.
                      Optimal Lab Values–how to interpret your results | Stop The Thyroid Madness

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                      • All of this talk about female temperature reminds me of the tour we just completed at the Tennessee Amish Farms.

                        The Amish live life as people did 150 yrs ago. No birth control and with large families. We visited several farms with > 12 children. Midwives deliver the babies. Women there are either nursing or pregnant, or both nursing AND pregnant.

                        They still use the 1 room school houses, where young girls teach grades 1 through 8. After grade 8 it is off to the field to WORK. Between graduation & marriage, young ladies teach school. They cook on wood stoves, no TV, no computers, no telephones, no electricity. There is 1 shared telephone in each square mile of land. Washing machines? Old fashioned wringer washers powered by a diesel engine with driveshaft & pulleys.

                        Very interesting how they power their saws & drills for woodworkig. They are allowed to use diesel or gasoline engines to power belts & pulleys to spin the drills & saw blades. They are not allowed to use gasoline powered generators to create electricity to power anything.

                        Grizz

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                        • Originally posted by Owl View Post
                          As far as taking temps for women, from STTM:

                          WHAT ABOUT MENSTRUATING OR OVULATING WOMEN? Your internal body temperature can be very reactive to your female hormonal state, making it lower or higher than normal. So knowing what is going on within is important to evaluating a temperature. Check your temps before days 19 22 of your cycle, with day 1 being the day you started your period.
                          Thanks for that!

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                          • Originally posted by Owl View Post
                            Did he test ReverseT3? That can inhibit T3 from being utilized by your cells. So the T3 labs look great, but it's not doing anything for you. RT3 must be tested at the same time as FT3, and a ratio of the two is calculated.

                            Also, according to STTM, FT3 should be at the top of the lab range, FT4 should be mid range or higher.
                            Optimal Lab Values–how to interpret your results | Stop The Thyroid Madness
                            I was kinda pissed my reverse t3 was not examined, I'm going to my doc next week so I can ask him about it. What you say about ft3 and ft4 scares me. I have my labs right here, my free t3 was only 2.4 (ideal range is 2.3-4.2), so I'm literally only 0.2 points away from being below normal. My ft4 is about in the middle 1.2 (ideal 0.8-1.8).
                            Last edited by lizzychan5; 06-15-2012, 09:04 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by lizzychan5 View Post
                              I was kinda pissed my reverse t3 was not examined, I'm going to my doc next week so I can ask him about it. What you say about ft3 and ft4 scares me. I have my labs right here, my free t3 was only 2.4 (ideal range is 2.3-4.2), so I'm literally only 0.2 points away from being below normal. My ft4 is about in the middle 1.2 (ideal 0.8-1.8).
                              Since your FT4 is in the mid range, but FT3 is at the bottom, some of your T3 is probably being converted to RT3. Most doctors don't believe in RT3. You may need to print out some info on it to make your case.
                              The lab ranges may be "normal" for some people, but they are not optimal. That's what we're after here.

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                              • Hi all,

                                Heck. I too, learn something new every day. We are all made a little different. Normal body temperature for most is 98.6. But like everything else in life there are some exceptions to the norm. (rule) Of course those female hormones are truly the wild card also!

                                Many people think that a "fever" is any temperature above 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit (equal to 37.0 degrees Celsius).
                                It turns out, though, that our temperatures change constantly during a normal day. We tend to be cooler when we're asleep (especially at night), and warmer when we're awake and active. The "thermostat" in our brain, which controls blood flow to the skin (more when we're warm, less when we're cool), sweating (also more when we're warm and less when we're cool) and shivering (we shiver when we're too cool), tries most of the time to keep our temperatures between 97.5 and 99.5, and usually does a pretty good job of it.

                                We define "fever" as a temperature of 100.4 F or higher. Unless your doctor suggests it, you shouldn't give anything for fever unless your child's temperature is 100.4 or higher (and possibly not unless it's higher than 101). (As always, remember that not all doctors do things the same way; if your doctor gives you different advice, you should follow it -- after all, your doctor knows your child better than I can.)

                                Fever

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