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  • Grizz, how long for the skin lesion? I've been trying the iodine on the toe moles and one flesh mole and no luck yet after three weeks. All it did was make my skin peel, especially with the apple cider vinegar.
    5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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    • @ Joey A. I appreciate your skepticism. I felt the same way reading some of that material. Creationism is antithetical to evidence in favor of the paleo lifestyle. I scoured pubmed, and, unfortunately the area seems to be poorly studied, but there were some cautionary studies. My conclusion...for what it's worth, short term high dose iodine is likely safer than pharmaceutical drugs, and can likely help the gut ecosystem, and remove toxins from the body. I liked Alan Gaby's points(below). As I stated in an earlier post, even he concedes short term high dose iodine therapy holds promise...but he urged caution. With the Japanese thing, even if one was conserative(took the dry weight of the sea food), it seems like they get at least ~1.5mg iodine/iodide along with other minerals. Thats why I will likely do a short burst of high dose and settle around 2mg lugols a day, along with 1-2 days off per week.

      Alan Gaby editorial on iodine (Aug/Sept 2005)

      Now, to a question.
      Would you guys recommend getting thyroid antibodies tested along with the thyroid panel? Or, only if something seems off with the traditional tests? And, would the primary care doctor likely be willing to order such additional tests in your experience?

      Thanks

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      • Originally posted by JoeyA View Post
        Are there any mainstream scientists in favor of iodine supplementation?

        If so, can you point me in their direction? I was reading Dr. Abraham's stuff and got really turned off when he started trying to promote creationism in the middle of his article. I personally believe in evolution and would like my science to be built upon that foundation. To each their own, I suppose, but it's not for me.
        Hi. I have the same "problems". But I solve this much as you do
        - I look for supporting stuff elsewhere
        - I realize that nobody holds The "Universal Truth" - most of us, even brilliant scientists have some wrong assumptions in between the correct ones. (Even Dr. Brownstein or Abraham or Flechas have probably some "wrongs" in their assumptions.)

        What is important is whether following their theories is better or worse than following mainstream science. For me - mostly following Dr Brownsteins recommendations seems to have done good. (But due to increased liver enzymes I've had to stop the co-factors. And I believe any good doctor would modulate his treatment based on the responses of the patient.

        PS every scientist would agree upon humans needing iodine. The disagreement is about how much. I base my supplementation upon the facts that
        - Japanese consumption is high -> iodine in such amounts cannot be instantly dangerous
        - Breast cancer is extremely low in japan (may have a different reason, but is probably connected)
        - There are several papers that points to an interaction between selenium/iodine -> I believe the need to increase selenium/iodine parallel is correct

        ---> I may try for a while...
        Female, have Hashimotos w/lots of antibodies treated with Erfa + levaxin (Norwegian equivalent to synthyroid)

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        • Originally posted by asmitty View Post
          Now, to a question.
          Would you guys recommend getting thyroid antibodies tested along with the thyroid panel? Or, only if something seems off with the traditional tests? And, would the primary care doctor likely be willing to order such additional tests in your experience?

          Thanks
          I can't speak for US primary care. In Norway they generally are "reluctant, but quite easily persuaded". I'd say that if you have symptoms of thyroid dysfunction antibodies should be evaluated. Some patients get symptoms even on "normal lab values" (normal fT3, fT4 and TSH, that is) - then the antibodies may confirm that the thyroid is under attack and may give an earlier treatment.
          Female, have Hashimotos w/lots of antibodies treated with Erfa + levaxin (Norwegian equivalent to synthyroid)

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          • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
            So of course, I recommend the Browstein Protocoll. It is time tested & proven to be safe.
            Grizz
            Grizz
            I have no issue with Dr Brownstein. & I have no problem with you telling everyone that thatís the protocol YOU follow & recommend.
            What I do have an issue with is your Blanket statement that "WE" (implying everyone on this thread) follow his protocol & & do not deviate from it etc. And that everyone else must do the same.
            People are free to make there own choices and hopefully those will be made on proper research. Most of the people on this forum are here because they donít accept CW at face value & are willing & able to think for themselves. But there is conflicting research and there are conflicting Personal circumstances & needs.
            What works for one person may not be appropriate for the next. As long as they are aware of the information & the risk then how they use that information is up to them.. NOT YOU.
            And I do not appreciate being told what I Must Do/Think. or you implying to others that "I" along with everyone else on the thread do things the way You say they must be done, because I donít.. Or I would still be at only 6mg of iodine instead of over 300mg.
            And No, ive havenít had all the Detox symptoms you keep telling people they Will get if they donít do it a certain way... in fact ive had very little detox symptoms..
            Does that mean I think everyone should ramp up the dose like I did? No. they need to work out whatís appropriate for them and what they can tolerate. and it may or may not be Dr. Brownsteinís way of doing things.
            I appreciate that your passionate about this but im also quite aware that your cult like attitude is putting people off what should be a very helpful thread. so please do everyone a favour & tone it down a notch, Speak for yourself only, & let everyone else speak for themselves.
            Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

            http://primaldog.blogspot.co.uk/

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            • @asmitty,

              thanks for this thread

              Alan Gaby editorial on iodine (Aug/Sept 2005)

              which I read - it completely mirrors my own reservations. I cannot see how taking megadoses of iodine can replicate any natural, diet based consumption, from any culture, at any time.

              I do agree that almost everyone will be to some extent iodine deficient, due to agricultural practices, lack of seafood etc - but surely quite small doses of iodine should be enough to rectify this?

              I read this thread regularly, but I am not prepared to self experiment with massive doses. For me, one drop of Lugol's 3% in water, twice a week, is sufficient of an experiment.

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              • Originally posted by breadsauce View Post
                @asmitty,

                which I read - it completely mirrors my own reservations. I cannot see how taking megadoses of iodine can replicate any natural, diet based consumption, from any culture, at any time.
                I do agree that almost everyone will be to some extent iodine deficient, due to agricultural practices, lack of seafood etc - but surely quite small doses of iodine should be enough to rectify this?
                This might be true IF we weren’t also being exposed to high levels of toxins now, that push out & replace the iodine in our body’s (Bromide, Fluoride etc)
                Something that wasn’t an issue hundreds or thousands of years ago. There also would have been higher amounts of iodine naturally available in the food supply back then.
                Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

                http://primaldog.blogspot.co.uk/

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                • Originally posted by DinoHunter View Post
                  This might be true IF we weren’t also being exposed to high levels of toxins now, that push out & replace the iodine in our body’s (Bromide, Fluoride etc)
                  Something that wasn’t an issue hundreds or thousands of years ago. There also would have been higher amounts of iodine naturally available in the food supply back then.
                  +1
                  Female, have Hashimotos w/lots of antibodies treated with Erfa + levaxin (Norwegian equivalent to synthyroid)

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                  • Originally posted by DinoHunter View Post
                    This might be true IF we weren’t also being exposed to high levels of toxins now, that push out & replace the iodine in our body’s (Bromide, Fluoride etc)
                    Something that wasn’t an issue hundreds or thousands of years ago. There also would have been higher amounts of iodine naturally available in the food supply back then.
                    Where I live (Sussex, UK) there is no added fluoride in the water.

                    http://www.southernwater.co.uk/homeA...uoridation.asp

                    I make all my food from scratch, organic where possible. I don't have new carpets etc, furniture is antique - I can't believe that I'm being inundated with Bromide, Fluoride etc. And it must be so for a lot of people on this and other similar forums?

                    I do still supplement with SOME lugol's - as I believe that present agricultural methods have led to massive mineral depletion in the soil. But it is not just iodine / iodide - most minerals are depleted.

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                    • Originally posted by JoeyA View Post
                      Are there any mainstream scientists in favor of iodine supplementation?

                      If so, can you point me in their direction? I was reading Dr. Abraham's stuff and got really turned off when he started trying to promote creationism in the middle of his article. I personally believe in evolution and would like my science to be built upon that foundation. To each their own, I suppose, but it's not for me.
                      Joey,
                      You will find all of our research reports in the Iodine References, chapter "Research Reports."
                      http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references
                      If you find anything better, let me know & I'll add it to the References.

                      However the following facts are indisputable:
                      1) Every cell in the human body requires iodine
                      2) The sex organs, brain & thyroid require the most iodine
                      3) Halide chemicals displace iodine in our cells
                      4) Halide Chemicals are everwhere, causing us to be iodine deficient
                      5) Iodine deficiency causes major problems in the human body including:
                      * Thyroid problems show up first, mostly hypothyroid symptoms
                      * This causes hormonal imbalances
                      * Fibrocystic Breasts
                      * PCOS
                      * Cysts
                      * Endometriosis
                      * Prostate problems
                      * Testicular cysts
                      The only unknown left is exactly how much iodine we need. Dr. Brownstein covers this with a 50mg recommendation. This amount is enough to overcome halide toxins, and any excess just goes out in the urine. The body takes what it wants and the rest goes out in the urine.

                      Grizz
                      Last edited by Grizz; 06-13-2012, 06:01 AM.

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                      • Just as I thought. Y'all don't have anything better than the Brownstein Protocol.

                        You just can't experiment with iodine willy-nilly and you certainly can't recommend that any newbees start taking iodine without the required supplements as recommended by Dr. Brownstein. Iodine is not just another vitamin and if you recommend iodine without a proper medical support you are irresponsible.

                        No, it is NOT up to each person to experiment willy nilly with iodine. It is up to us to recommend the best time tested & Doctor sponsored iodine protocol available for the newbees to start. So until someone comes up with a better protocol, then we as a group should recommend the Dr. Brownstein Protocol.

                        Grizz

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                        • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                          Just as I thought. Y'all don't have anything better than the Brownstein Protocol.

                          You just can't experiment with iodine willy-nilly and you certainly can't recommend that any newbees start taking iodine without the required supplements as recommended by Dr. Brownstein. Iodine is not just another vitamin and if you recommend iodine without a proper medical support you are irresponsible.

                          No, it is NOT up to each person to experiment willy nilly with iodine. It is up to us to recommend the best time tested & Doctor sponsored iodine protocol available for the newbees to start. So until someone comes up with a better protocol, then we as a group should recommend the Dr. Brownstein Protocol.

                          Grizz
                          I do agree to some extent. But what do you do when the "terrain" (the body's reactions) doesn't fit with the map? Do you STILL recommend "keep to the protocol" or to change the usage of "the protocol" according to the reactions? Would you recommend ME to keep on taking B2 even though I got increased liver enzymes and this can be caused by (to high) B2 supplementation?

                          (What is your definition of the protocol BTW - I've never read that Dr Brownstein recommend the ATP cofactors, but B2 and B3 supplementation under certain circumstances ... and especially for hashimoto's. Correct me if I'm wrong – I don't have the book in front of me, but I'm pretty sure about this… )

                          I stand behind you in using Dr. Brownsteins recommendations as a starting point, but not as a "one size fits all"-approach.
                          Female, have Hashimotos w/lots of antibodies treated with Erfa + levaxin (Norwegian equivalent to synthyroid)

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                          • **tentatively raises hand**

                            I'm very interested in finding out more about iodine, and whether I should just start eating seaweed and kelp or if I need supplements, but this thread is almost 300 pages, and the first few of them are pretty daunting -- showing graphic illustrations of what happens if you take too much iodine, etc.

                            Could someone please point me to an "iodine 101" post? Something for beginners who want to learn more without getting inundated? Very, very, very much appreciated...
                            F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

                            **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

                            **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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                            • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                              Just as I thought. Y'all don't have anything better than the Brownstein Protocol.

                              You just can't experiment with iodine willy-nilly and you certainly can't recommend that any newbees start taking iodine without the required supplements as recommended by Dr. Brownstein. Iodine is not just another vitamin and if you recommend iodine without a proper medical support you are irresponsible.

                              No, it is NOT up to each person to experiment willy nilly with iodine. It is up to us to recommend the best time tested & Doctor sponsored iodine protocol available for the newbees to start. So until someone comes up with a better protocol, then we as a group should recommend the Dr. Brownstein Protocol.

                              Grizz
                              You Dont Get It...
                              Im not arguing against Dr. B's Protocol, I agree with it for the most part, but I did my own research, I did not take your word for it because "you said so"
                              Im arguing against you Pushing Dr.B's Protocol as the Only Information to even look at.
                              It is not your right to tell people what they have to do. They are not children & you are not their mother. and forcing people to believe what you want them to, has never really worked out historically in the long term.
                              You can provide the information as your Opinion of what is the best protocol but its up to each person to do there own research and choose what is best for them.
                              If Dr. Brownstiens Protocol is that good then it will stand the comparison against the other information out there.
                              But telling people they must do it the way "you" think is best "because *** said so and we only do what *** says" is no different than the Dr. who told me to take Penicillin and that my personal experience dident matter because they are a Doctor and they know best (I'm allergic to penicillin by the way). Post the research you have, state your reasoning as your opinion, let them do there own research and then it is their right to decide what information they choose to follow. The more information out their the better.
                              And before you go off again.. Im not arguing against Dr. Brownstein, Im arguing against you telling people Not to bother doing there own research because you know best.
                              Last edited by DinoHunter; 06-13-2012, 05:11 AM.
                              Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

                              http://primaldog.blogspot.co.uk/

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                              • Originally posted by smgj View Post
                                I do agree to some extent. But what do you do when the "terrain" (the body's reactions) doesn't fit with the map? Do you STILL recommend "keep to the protocol" or to change the usage of "the protocol" according to the reactions? Would you recommend ME to keep on taking B2 even though I got increased liver enzymes and this can be caused by (to high) B2 supplementation?

                                (What is your definition of the protocol BTW - I've never read that Dr Brownstein recommend the ATP cofactors, but B2 and B3 supplementation under certain circumstances ... and especially for hashimoto's. Correct me if I'm wrong – I don't have the book in front of me, but I'm pretty sure about this… )

                                I stand behind you in using Dr. Brownsteins recommendations as a starting point, but not as a "one size fits all"-approach.

                                ATP Cofactors is B2+B3 in the correct dosage, so its a replacement for taking B2 and B3.
                                Is it possible your getting high amounts of B2 somewhere else in your diet?
                                Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

                                http://primaldog.blogspot.co.uk/

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