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  • Originally posted by Gwynn View Post
    That's interesting about the association with chicken pox and low stomach acid. To be sure, I told him to ask his mother when he sees her this morning. He does remember having the mumps. Also, when our kids had chicken pox he didn't catch them, so I would have to imagine he did. He is just blocking the memory!LOL

    Yes, when they found the erosion they tested for h. pylori. Negative.

    I hope your break goes well, and when you get back to it, your stomach doesn't get flared up.
    I was negative for h. Pylori as well - plus a whole host of other things that we tested for. I even had an endoscopy - which is when the GERD/erosion was confirmed - and a colonoscopy (not my first). Other than mild GERD every was perfectly normal. So, I am concluding - as I mentioned before - that heavy metal toxicity & iodine deficiency are the root causes for issues with the stomach lining. Also, salt is implicated both directly and indirectly with stomach issues. More on that subject in a separate post.

    Thanks for the well wishes. I feel MUCH better today so at least I know that I am going in the right direction now. I read up on how Iodoral is prepared so that it prevents gastric upset. I compared it to the Iodine 2 Plus brand that I am taking right now. Its possible that changing brands would be helpful so I ordered the 12.5 mg dose size Iodoral. I already have the 50 mg size Iodoral but I want to start the titrating process over again with the Iodoral.

    I am also adding another 1/2 tsp salt salted water which I will take in the PM. When I take take the Iodoral I'll take one AM and one PM - which means that I need to start eating twice a day not the once per day/IF that I am doing now. So, I'll start following Jack Kruse's leptin reset directions for an early high protein meal. Until this little flare up my blood sugar was normalized anyway and my body composition is changing noticeably so its probably time to change my eating pattern anyway.

    I'm also going to divide the support/companion supplements into two rounds - AM and PM. That way I won't be loading my stomach all at one time with so many capsules. Plus, I'll take my salted water just before my meals when I take my enzymes and that way it will be paired closer with the Iodoral. I am placing the Iodoral in a spoonful of coconut oil to coat it/my stomach.

    Last but not least, I am going to do the 5 day on/2 day off pulsing method - with ALL of my supplements as well as iodine. However, I will continue the salted water as usual on the 2 days off. Its taken nearly 48 hours for my urine to clear of the heavy detox so I feel that not only will my stomach rest those 2 days off, but the detox will continue on for most of those 2 days anyway.

    I hope this plan works because I am more and more convinced that I need the iodine therapy or I will always have stomach and other issues. And, I am now facing the reality that I may indeed need to have the mercury amalgams removed from my teeth or it will be an uphill battle to stay detoxed. Well, one day at a time.
    Last edited by justaseeker; 03-17-2012, 08:53 AM.
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    • Originally posted by Fredneck View Post
      A little more info on the hazrards of bromine, fluoride and chlorine. Fluoride was used in WWII Germany to make prisoners "stupid and docile".

      Too Much Fluoride/Bromide/Chlorine & Not Enough Iodine
      Thank you for sharing. Nice intro to the subject - just wish there was a printer friendly version.
      I feel like I ought to be wearing a bumper sticker that says: "Don't follow me I am lost." I am just a seeker like everyone else.

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      • Originally posted by smgj View Post
        Chicken pox at 8-9 years age here, and low stomach acid. But increasingly better.

        What works:
        Enzymes + HCL (I used the NOW-brand, better than enzymes alone)
        ACV – 1 teaspoon in water before each meal
        And I believe iodine helps as well. I just to lugol's now and that seem to be sufficient.

        Anyway - hashimoto's and low stomach acid/poor digestion goes hand in hand.
        And also - there are som papers on iodine and that low iodine may lead to a weak stomach acid.

        Dr. James Howenstine -- Iodine is Vital For Good Health
        Stomach Acid | The Tennant Institute for Integrative Medicine | Tasha Tennant

        Not the best papers, but I don't have the time for a more thorough reserach now...
        Thanks for sharing - especially the second article on stomach acid. I'm also reading other articles on that website. The problem with HCL is that a person can have BOTH low stomach acid and a lack of integrity to the stomach/esophagus lining.

        In fact, that article (above) explains how GERD is the first of a whole host of disorders that originate with low stomach acid. The erosions and weak lining need to be healed first before introducing HCL - or otherwise even one HCL capsule can cause damage/burning. That's what just happened to me. So, I plan to continue to work on healing the stomach lining first and then later adding Betaine HCL with Pepsin to my other enzymes when I eat. You might find this article/website interesting:

        The HCL Challenge: Why The Conventional Test Is DEAD Wrong
        I feel like I ought to be wearing a bumper sticker that says: "Don't follow me I am lost." I am just a seeker like everyone else.

        Justaseeker's Journal:

        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post778214

        Iodine Research and Application Group:

        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/group134.html

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        • Book report/review:

          Dr. Brownstein's book "Salt Your Way to Health", 2nd ed, 2010, is a great introduction to the subject of refined/table salt versus whole/unrefined salt - and why they act completely differently in our bodies. This book addresses several health concerns - all of which are related to iodine therapy. So, I would recommend this book as a companion to books on iodine.

          What I took away from the book that is most immediately valuable for our purposes here, is that table salt allows the halides to stay bound in the kidneys whereas whole salt detoxes the kidneys. So, anyone who is deficient in iodine, toxic for the other halides, AND eating table salt is likely to be VERY toxic. Another person who is equally deficient in iodine but who eats whole salt is likely to be less toxic to begin with.

          BOTH of these people need to increase their whole salt consumption - as well as their water intake - to (two) 1/2 tsp doses of whole salt in water and 2 liters of water per day. Dr. Brownstein prescribes salt and water this way with good results, independent of iodine therapy or other therapies. Then, he reevaluates the patient to see what other supplements or other practices need to be added to the whole, individual protocol.

          Bottom line: Everyone will start to detox when eliminating table salt and adding whole salt to their diet. New comers here who want to do a bit of extra housekeeping detox BEFORE starting iodine therapy could start with the whole salt and water routine. Whatever we do to individualize our iodine therapy and our companion/support supplements, we all need to do the salt water routine everyday.
          I feel like I ought to be wearing a bumper sticker that says: "Don't follow me I am lost." I am just a seeker like everyone else.

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          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post778214

          Iodine Research and Application Group:

          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/group134.html

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          • A little detox/iodine repletion status report.

            I have remained off of all allergy medications - using only oral iodine, Ponaris emollient nasal oil, and iodized Miracell ear care oil since this past Monday. My allergy symptoms continue to improve daily - and I need less Ponaris each day - even while the spring pollen count goes up.

            Even though the count is still low/medium, in the past I would have already started to get more symptomatic. The pollen forecast here indicates that next week the pollen count will be very high - which will tell me even more about my allergy status. I am NOT staying indoors with the windows shut and the air system clearing the air. I have the windows open and am spending time outdoors. I probably will close the house and clean the air when the pollen count goes above medium.

            I mentioned before that I have a few small - and a very few bigger - cherry angiomas - have had them since my mid 40's. Some of the smallest ones are drying up and flaking off now when I shower with a wash cloth. So, I have started treating a few of the larger ones with tincture of iodine to see what happens to them. Also, in Dr. Brownstein's "Salt" book he recommends sea salt & hydrogen peroxide in bathwater to detox through the skin. I'm going to try that, too. Will keep you posted.
            Last edited by justaseeker; 03-17-2012, 09:37 AM.
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            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post778214

            Iodine Research and Application Group:

            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/group134.html

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              I feel like I ought to be wearing a bumper sticker that says: "Don't follow me I am lost." I am just a seeker like everyone else.

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              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post778214

              Iodine Research and Application Group:

              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/group134.html

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              • Thanks again, SMGJ - so there it is - the motivation to persist in titrating up despite my stomach issues, so that I can finally heal my stomach (hopefully).

                Dr. James Howenstine -- Iodine is Vital For Good Health

                "Several human organs need iodine but can not absorb it until blood iodine levels reach high values (stomach, salivary glands). Most persons exhibit impaired production of stomach acid as they age. This impaired capability to produce adequate stomach acid may be a result of iodine deficiency as iodine promotes stomach acidity."


                Last edited by justaseeker; 03-17-2012, 01:09 PM.
                I feel like I ought to be wearing a bumper sticker that says: "Don't follow me I am lost." I am just a seeker like everyone else.

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                http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post778214

                Iodine Research and Application Group:

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                • Originally posted by justaseeker View Post
                  Thanks for sharing - especially the second article on stomach acid. I'm also reading other articles on that website. The problem with HCL is that a person can have BOTH low stomach acid and a lack of integrity to the stomach/esophagus lining.

                  In fact, that article (above) explains how GERD is the first of a whole host of disorders that originate with low stomach acid. The erosions and weak lining need to be healed first before introducing HCL - or otherwise even one HCL capsule can cause damage/burning. That's what just happened to me. So, I plan to continue to work on healing the stomach lining first and then later adding Betaine HCL with Pepsin to my other enzymes when I eat. You might find this article/website interesting:

                  The HCL Challenge: Why The Conventional Test Is DEAD Wrong
                  I just read this article. I wanted to make one observation. It mentions in the first comment a possible cause for the low HCL is a H Pylori pathogen. My wife was diagnosed with GERD. To help her get relief, I did some research and found it recommended to eat Manuka Honey from New Zealand. She did that and her stomach cleared up. So for initial results, you might try Manuka honey,especially if you know you have H Pylori. She had to eat so much that she rarely enjoys honey anymore and the fact that she is alergic to bees made her start to have alergic reactions, but her stomach was healed.
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                  • Originally posted by ljbprrfmof View Post
                    I just read this article. I wanted to make one observation. It mentions in the first comment a possible cause for the low HCL is a H Pylori pathogen. My wife was diagnosed with GERD. To help her get relief, I did some research and found it recommended to eat Manuka Honey from New Zealand. She did that and her stomach cleared up. So for initial results, you might try Manuka honey,especially if you know you have H Pylori. She had to eat so much that she rarely enjoys honey anymore and the fact that she is alergic to bees made her start to have alergic reactions, but her stomach was healed.
                    Thanks for the suggestion. However, I DO NOT have h. Pylori - testing negative means NO indication of the disease. Nevertheless, honey is good for the stomach and I have been using organic, raw, wild, Canadian honey in my herbal tea. Yesterday, I ate a spoonful of the honey with the coconut oil. I forgot about Manuka honey so now that you've reminded me I'm going to see if I can order some. Thanks again !

                    Note - Have certified organic, active Manuka honey on order from Amazon.
                    Last edited by justaseeker; 03-17-2012, 03:42 PM.
                    I feel like I ought to be wearing a bumper sticker that says: "Don't follow me I am lost." I am just a seeker like everyone else.

                    Justaseeker's Journal:

                    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post778214

                    Iodine Research and Application Group:

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                    • Question: I just got some Lugol's 2% solution and want to start on 2.5 mg of iodine and work up from there. Does anyone know how many drops that translates to?

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                      • Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                        Question: I just got some Lugol's 2% solution and want to start on 2.5 mg of iodine and work up from there. Does anyone know how many drops that translates to?
                        Yes, that would be 1 drop. I've added the reference file that Grizz created to my signature line. I highly recommend that you at least read it - and at best print a copy for convenient reference. One of the links is for the Yahoo Iodine Group "Bible" - which has a table of dosages for Lugol's 2% & 5%.

                        Are you also prepared to start the companion support supplements, including whole salt? Have you eliminated table/refined salt from your diet? Do you feel prepared to deal with detox symptoms?
                        Last edited by justaseeker; 03-17-2012, 05:07 PM.
                        I feel like I ought to be wearing a bumper sticker that says: "Don't follow me I am lost." I am just a seeker like everyone else.

                        Justaseeker's Journal:

                        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post778214

                        Iodine Research and Application Group:

                        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/group134.html

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                        • Originally posted by justaseeker View Post
                          Are you also prepared to start the companion support supplements, including whole salt? Have you eliminated table/refined salt from your diet? Do you feel prepared to deal with detox symptoms?
                          At 2.5 mg? Doesn't the average Japanese get ingest about 12mg/daily?

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                          • yeah but they're used to consuming that much, from solid foods age on up.
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                            • Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                              At 2.5 mg? Doesn't the average Japanese get ingest about 12mg/daily?
                              There are people posting on this thread who are having - or have had - detox symptoms at less than 1 mg dose. So, have you done your homework? Are you prepared to do the companion supplementation? Are you aware of the importance of "salting the bromide out" (although whole salt has more benefits than detoxing bromide)?
                              I feel like I ought to be wearing a bumper sticker that says: "Don't follow me I am lost." I am just a seeker like everyone else.

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                              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post778214

                              Iodine Research and Application Group:

                              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/group134.html

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                              • I had quite teh reaction from niacin last night. It was very unpleasant and I don't intend on going through that EVER again. flushing, itching and burning skin, especiall yon my face and the back of my neck. It even felt like it was going on inside of me. The burning was so intense that I finally put some burn cream on my neck which taook care of the burning problem.

                                It really was awful. Meanwhile at arounf 9-10mg of lugols, I have no detox...

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