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  • Weston A. Price, Paleo, Primal...

    I had never paid much attention to Weston A. Price until I seen a link posted about the Nourishing Traditional Diets... well, I guess that finally put most of my ideas to rest. Just wanted to see if I've got the main idea here....

    Animal fat = good (should be grass-fed and exposed to sun)

    Raw milk/Raw butter (I never knew it was yellowish/orange just thought is was off white/pale yellow color) I do use the organic stick butter, will try to fix that.

    Cod liver oil = Great daily!

    Plants/fruits/veggies = Not the most important things but have some good stuff as well.

    Grains/nuts/legumes = Not the DEVIL they are made out to be. However, they are not grown and treated the way they were. Many of the "older" civilizations did eat them and they were fine. However, after seen the slide show it explained how they were cooked and left to ferment for 2 weeks!!! OMG! Talk about some old bread... Is this really the idea?

    Salt = Should not be WHITE either! Must get new salt added to the list!

    I believe so much in this style of eating, but yet can't commit because of the idea I can't understand how Grains are so bad (yeah, I've read some studies, I know personally they make me fat, but why... I know 1,000 years ago or more they had them, so what gives?)

    If I have my ideas straight then I'm such a happy camper. If I'm off, please someone correct me.

    Thanks so much,
    Amanda

    P.S. BTW if the above is true, do we really "need" all the foods that I read so many eating? BAS daily, etc? Thanks!
    Last edited by goin2befit; 12-21-2011, 08:37 PM.

  • #2
    I'm not exactly sure what your question is here... I believe WAPF definitely has some good points as well as things that overlap with Paleo / Primal.

    If that floats your boat and you feel, look and perform how you want then go for it.

    For me, I don't the time or desire to sprout & ferment grains just to make them barely edible (which is debatable even then) when there are a plethora of more healthy and tasty things to eat.

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    • #3
      I am a member of WAPF. I ate that way for a while and attribute my liberal use of good fats and organic foods with the reason why I do not suffer from many problems linked with obesity. However, I was never able to lose weight, clear my skin, or regain my energy until I ditched the grains. I do still consume and make fermented foods, take my CLO, and eat my offal. I just do it from a grain free angle.

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      • #4
        It depends on your health and your goals. I ate WAP style for a long time - it was an enormous improvement over SAD, but my health was still terrible and I was still overweight. Eliminating even soaked grains and legumes was a huge breakthrough for me.

        However, if you are healthy, active, and at a normal weight I suspect it is a pretty good way to eat.

        ETA: There are a few people on this forum who are essentially WAP eaters - they just don't call themselves that
        Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

        http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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        • #5
          I'm reading Primal Body Primal Mind now, and she disagrees with the grain-approach of WAPF even though she's a member. I think paleo is a step above WAP- personally I'd never include grains in my diet again. They dud not agree with my health or wellbeing.

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          • #6
            Great, I think you guys answered my question... is was basically the idea that the things I listed is correct. I know it may sound ridicules to some, but for me, my "belief" could not swallow the idea of eliminating the grains and what makes them so bad. The reality is grains is one of the foods that has changed tremendously over the years. By NO way the way the even best (pita bread/flat bread with just wheat, water, yeast, etc) are made the way they were made so many years ago. I never realized that concept and explained so well until I stumbled upon WAP.

            I have heard about the soaking and things but still didn't "see" it.

            For me, I do not process the grains and lose weight.

            Of all Atkins works best (but the idea of "good" quality from Primal)! Meaning good fats and no Atkin products or anything like that along with real meat (no deli, nitrates, etc)

            Thanks

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            • #7
              I'm not 100% opposed to grains but I think it is a must to try and eliminate it from the diet for at least 2 months to see if one may have an allergy to them. I don't eat any grains because trying to sprout, fresh grind, ferment my own bread is WAY too much of a hassle! Or if you try to buy a loaf of freshly grinded sprouted bread its crazy expensive.

              I personally love the WAPF and what they do. They got me into raw milk and that stuff is amazing! I also like reading their wise traditions journals.

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              • #8
                You may want to read Wheat Belly by Dr. Davis. He goes into detail about how the wheat we eat now is radically different genetically from even what our grandparents ate, let alone the original agrarian civilizations. Fermenting doesn't get rid of the gluten proteins that many of us are sensitive to. Modern wheat is also much higher in these proteins. I also put corn on the list of grains that have undergone massive transformation. I have no problem with some rice and legumes here and there. They don't seem as problematic from what I've read and from my own experience.

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                • #9
                  Nutrition and Physical Degeneration

                  Here's an online copy of Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Price, for anyone interested. Just started reading it myself.

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                  • #10
                    So rice may not be for everyone. I get horrible stomach pain whenever I eat brown rice. My stomach gets knotty if I have more then 1/2 cup of white rice. I can only guess on the reason.. So I would say to eliminate ALL grains for a few months then try to add them back in controlled experiments to see how it really effects you.

                    I haven't done that much experimentation with wheat based products since I went grain free. Although I was eating white rice and a little bread here and there on my honeymoon... I'd have to do a more controlled experiment. I know I feel like I'm going to throwup if I eat certain deserts that contain a lot of sugar/flour yet simple chocolate/vanilla ice cream does not seem to bother me (add in other stuff and forget it).

                    Before I went primal none of this stuff seemed to really bother me at all.
                    Primal since March 2011

                    Female/29 years old/5' 1"/130ish lbs

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Northrun View Post
                      Nutrition and Physical Degeneration

                      Here's an online copy of Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Price, for anyone interested. Just started reading it myself.
                      Nice, the book is kinda pricey but I think I'll get it anyway. I can't read shit on a screen anymore I get enough of that at work. I miss my old job, I used to print these things out all the time.
                      I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
                        Nice, the book is kinda pricey but I think I'll get it anyway. I can't read shit on a screen anymore I get enough of that at work. I miss my old job, I used to print these things out all the time.
                        You could always look for the book at a local library; that's where I find all sorts of fascinating books and journals.

                        Anyhoo, I think it all depends on the individual. Some can handle grains and some can't. The same goes for dairy and legumes. I generally agree with Price, though for me most grains are out, if only because they aren't what they used to be. It's difficult to find bread without additives or bleached flour, and I'd rather spend my money on quality meat or vegetables.

                        I recently started reading "In Defense of Food" by Michael Pollan. He makes some good points about the evolution of food and the so called Western Diet (read SAD) and so far I recommend it. (though it's not exactly primal/paleo)

                        Eat Food. Not Too Much. Mostly Plants.
                        "Laugh as much as you choose, but you will not laugh me out of my opinion." ~Jane Ausitn

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                        • #13
                          Just eat REAL food and stay away from wheat and soy.
                          You can enjoy your morning bread, just make sure it's not made from wheat.
                          Some people cured a lot of their ailments just cutting out wheat.

                          And you're on the right track with your salt...don't forget to avoid fake, lab produced sugars like high fructose corn syrup and aspartame etc...

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                          • #14
                            For me the grains issue isnt just that its processed now, but also that its near on impossible to get the same actual grains ancients ate. Modern farming has hybridised and altered nearly all grains in order to make viable crop yields and particularly in the last few decades they are growing grains with stupid levels of glutens in them because it makes the flour 'better'. Is it an wonder that very man and his dog is coeliac these days?
                            Last edited by Claraflo; 12-23-2011, 02:04 PM.

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