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  • Whey Protein Nightmare

    Hi Mark Started to be primal 3 weeks ago, and also started to take whey protein for breakfast.
    I ordered a can from Warrior Whey, which is from grass-fed cows, no pesticides or hormones. and is pure without any msg and its not pasteurized. Sounds great to me actually.
    Then I discovered yours on your site, which has less carbs per serving, and since it was made initially for you I assume it would be good clean food. I ordered it. I have not received it yet, takes a while to get to Canada I guess.
    I now just read some facts about whey protein and I am quite confused - they say whey protein should not have any msg in it, yours has maltodextrin which is msg. Good whey protein should be whole and non acid treated, yours has casein in it. And whey protein should not be isolate, should be whole. Confusing for us all I must say.
    Can you enlighten me Mark. I want to know which is your milk source for your whey, is it from grass-fed cow or from cheese factory leftovers, and is yours whole and non acid treated...
    I am very confused and I do want to eat as cleanly as possible. Help please. Thanks.
    Last edited by surfergirl; 12-20-2011, 12:34 PM. Reason: forgot title

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    I recall someone else mentioning that Mark does not read the forums. You may need to email in your questions. I've heard somewhere that isolate is "better," but I don't recall under which circumstances.

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    • #3
      If it helps at all, I've been looking at Sun Warrior Natural Warrior Blend
      Warrior Blend Natural 500g

      It's not primal (thanks a lot, pea protein), but it does have a pretty impressive amino profile, MCTs from coconut oil, and it's low carb. It's soy and gluten free, and has no sugar or sugar substitutes added.
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      • #4
        Also, why not just purchase powdered egg whites, which have nothing but egg whites in it. Protein is clean, lactose free, nothing artificial.

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        • #5
          MSG is monosodium glutamate. Maltodextrin is a sweetener.

          You should not be concerned about carbohydrate in whey powder. It is never enough to be unhealthy. Also I have read in quite a few places that you need carbohydrate to properly shuttle nutrients to your muscles.

          I get the impression that by the time milk is processed down to the whey you get in the powder, whether or not it came from a grass-fed animal is no longer of much concern. Certainly a lot of companies are capitalizing on the whole "grass fed" craze.

          Matt Stone and Ray Peat are saying now that whey has anti-metabolic effects. It's probably best to get all your protein from real food.
          You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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          • #6
            His supplements are way overpriced and not worth it (sorry Mark).

            I like the sound of this protein:
            Elite Primal 100% Beef-Derived Protein from DYMATIZE NUTRITION on sale. Find information about DYMATIZE NUTRITION

            It's not exactly primal and it's highly processed but so are all protein powders.
            Ye shall know them by their fruits.

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            • #7
              What is going on here? Why do you want to eat strange dust in a can? This makes no sense. Eat animals, vegetables, eggs, etc. Your stomach is not a complete retard, it will absorb the protein and other nutrients from those sources just fine. You do not need protein kool-aid to be healthy.
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              • #8
                I think Mark's protein is pretty good, as far as whey protein for paleo people. There are some trace "bad things" in there, but hey, what are you going to do? You're trying to drink a protein shake. This is not going to be perfect. Personally, if I'm going to buy some whey, I just accept that it's not an ideal food and decide that the value of the good stuff outweighs the negative of the bad stuff. Then I buy something relatively cheap that's as much "pure whey and nothing else" as possible. I don't mess around with that grass fed or whatever. I also am not too concerned with small amounts of maltodextrin in it. It needs to be free of the big offenders (soy, gluten, etc), but I'm not too picky beyond that.

                As others have mentioned: it's overpriced, and real food is much better for you. Why do you need this protein?
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                • #9
                  I had a brutal 90 minute leg/arms/core depletion workout today. There were several times where I felt nauseous from pushing myself. I went home and ate half a pound of steak, 4 eggs and 50g of mushroom. Beats whey protein.



                  Vegetables are overrated anyway
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                    What is going on here? Why do you want to eat strange dust in a can? This makes no sense. Eat animals, vegetables, eggs, etc. Your stomach is not a complete retard, it will absorb the protein and other nutrients from those sources just fine. You do not need protein kool-aid to be healthy.
                    +1

                    Sorry to add to your confusion, but you will learn. Protein powder is horrible for you!! Totally unnatural and highly processed. I would not touch the stuff!!

                    If you really want to learn read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A. Price and view the 3 PowerPoint presentations here: Nourishing Traditional Diets

                    My brain hurt for about the first 6 months after going primal from learning so much! Good luck and stick around!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Laconophile View Post
                      His supplements are way overpriced and not worth it (sorry Mark).

                      I like the sound of this protein:
                      Elite Primal 100% Beef-Derived Protein from DYMATIZE NUTRITION on sale. Find information about DYMATIZE NUTRITION

                      It's not exactly primal and it's highly processed but so are all protein powders.
                      Nice! Just read this review
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                        What is going on here? Why do you want to eat strange dust in a can? This makes no sense. Eat animals, vegetables, eggs, etc. Your stomach is not a complete retard, it will absorb the protein and other nutrients from those sources just fine. You do not need protein kool-aid to be healthy.
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                        • #13
                          Not to mention that if you have blood sugar issues - that much protein slams in your body like a sugar/carb blast. Definitely not ideal.

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                          • #14
                            I get the temptation... I'm so dang busy most of the time I think wow, it would be so easy to just throw some powder and ice water together and shake it. But that seems to kind of defeat the purpose of this whole thing. You can make a great smoothie without any protein powder.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by healthy11 View Post
                              +1
                              Sorry to add to your confusion, but you will learn. Protein powder is horrible for you!! Totally unnatural and highly processed. I would not touch the stuff!!
                              I don't know if it's "horrible" for you. When compared to all the processed foods out there, IMO protein powder isn't all that bad as long as you buy NATURAL protein powder. My whey protein is just a mix of concentrate/isolate/hydrolysate with cocoa, stevia, xylitol and soy lecithin. That isn't bad at all. I would NEVER BAKE WITH IT because you're oxidizing isolated cholesterol, but in the grand scheme of all the crap on the shelves out there, it's far from "horrible". Practically every other product on the shelves from aisles 2-14 in the supermarket are worse.

                              That being said, whey is actually an interesting thing. People look at protein as an endgame where 100g of protein is 100g of protein. Not so! Whey is magical because it's the only protein your body can utilize 100% of. When you take whey protein post-workout, it is assimilated faster than any other protein and you use virtually ALL OF IT. Compare that to eggs. Only 97% of eggs are utilized, and it takes a much longer time. Steak? 80%. Yep, 20% of the protein in steak isn't even bioavailable to your body, and it's the best meat out there for protein. Wanna use chicken or pork? You use even less. Eating 100g of protein from steak post-workout is less effective than 100g of whey protein, and it's assimilated more slowly. Vegetable proteins like pea protein? Their bioavailability is in the 60's! A third of vegetarian protein isn't even used by the body!

                              I can speak from personal experience on the magical recovery properties of whey. The sorest week of my entire life was the week I gave up whey protein and tried to use whole foods as my protein source. I was eating well over 1g/lb of protein and I was frigging WRECKED. I got back on whey the next week and like magic I recovered. Now, I have made a conscious effort to slowly ween myself off whey. I've gone down from three scoops 3-4 times a week post-workout to only 1/2 a scoop a week. It's definitely more of a challenge without whey protein, but you can train yourself.
                              Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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