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  • statins don't help unless people have already had a heart attack...myth

    I have read people say this on this forum constantly. Where is the research that supports this? Everything I look up says the opposite. I would imagine that there is one study that seems to suggest this that all of you are clinging onto (most of you probably haven't seen the study you are just regurgitating what others on the board have said without looking into it yourself) while a bunch of other studies suggest otherwise.

    Here is one such review that suggests the exact opposite:

    The benefits of statins in people without established cardiovascular disease but with cardiovascular risk factors: meta-analysis of randomised controlled trials

    I am sure there are a lot more that suggest the same thing...and I haven't seen anything that suggests this isn't true. lol, anti statin fever on these boards. Cholesterol doesn't mean everything, but it shouldn't be completely ignored either.

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    Statins for primary prevention of cardiovascular disease | BMJ

    An excerpt:

    The review, slightly more restrictive in its inclusion criteria than other recent analyses which typically considered twice as many people, looked at 14 trials of about 34 000 people with no evidence of cardiovascular disease. The review found that in people taking statins, all cause mortality—on average 1% per year of observation—was reduced by 17%, fatal and non-fatal coronary heart disease by 28%, fatal and non-fatal stroke by 22%, and the rate of revascularisation by 34% over a period of three to four years. Comparable numbers have been reported in other recent meta-analyses,4 5 6 7 so it is safe to assume that the beneficial effects of statins are substantial for coronary heart disease and coronary revascularisation, more modest for stroke, and probably between 10% and 15% for overall …

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    • #3
      Jim:

      I was concerned because mine was so low - 95 is scary low and has other possible physical repercussions.
      Started 9/15/11 at 323 pounds
      2/16/13 at 241 pounds
      Goal is 223 pounds or less

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      • #4
        Jim Hensen - The atkins forum needs a high carb advocate--go there!

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        • #5
          The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D. More statin madness
          The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D. Statinators spill the beans
          The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D. Statin panic
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          • #6
            That's an interesting study, actually--but my objection to statins isn't necessarily that they aren't effective, but that their side effects are unacceptably severe in many cases and you can better results by diet/lifestyle changes that have positive side effects instead of negative ones. When your choices are

            A) Decrease your risk of CVD and early death while experiencing muscle wasting, nerve pain, digestive problems, rashes, liver damage, and/or possible neurological effects, but don't have to give up doughnuts.

            OR

            B) Decrease your risk of CVD and early death while increasing your strength and endurance, losing body fat, reducing or eliminating chronic pains and digestive issues, looking younger and more attractive, and making every part of your body look, feel and perform better, but you have to give up doughnuts, except that you can still have them occasionally and be fine.

            I choose B. But hey, different strokes.
            Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

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            • #8
              I am a cardiac nurse; I worked as a scrub nurse for one of the most prestigious hospitals in the nation if not the world. I did my stint as a scrub for one of the founders of interventional cardiovascular lab.

              Know one thing, statins only mask; they do not get to the root of the problem, i.e. inflammation, not to mention the secondary effects brought on by statin use, i.e. rhabdomyolysis! Reducing cholesterol does not reduce inflammation. Proper diet and exercise are the key.

              Statins are given based upon the false theory that cholesterol causes heart disease-that has been proven to be false.

              Patients w/ diabetes are at the highest end of the spectrum for secondary cardiac disease; sugars out of control cause cause rapid inflammation- the body's response is to elevate cholesterol (think of the cholesterol as firemen).

              I will add, statins have been around since the late 70's; if they were such a miracle drug, why is it that cardiac disease has risen with a vengeance every year, even though these drugs are being prescribed? I'll tell you why. Simply, they don't work.

              Most every study is doctored by the financial support of big pharma and their lying constituents.

              Statins - The Dark Side - YouTube

              Cholesterol and Heart Disease - YouTube

              The Cholesterol Myth and the True Cause of Heart Disease - YouTube

              * Cholesterol myth exposed! They made it up to sell more drugs! - YouTube

              How Bad Science and Big Business Created the Obesity Epidemic - YouTube

              http://chriskresser.com/i-have-high-...nd-i-dont-care

              Dr Rosedale Exposing the Cholesterol Myth: Cholesterol is not the major culprit in heart disease - YouTube
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              • #9
                Originally posted by Troglodyte View Post
                I am a cardiac nurse; I worked as a scrub nurse for one of the most prestigious hospitals in the nation if not the world. I did my stint as a scrub for one of the founders of interventional cardiovascular lab.

                Know one thing, statins only mask; they do not get to the root of the problem, i.e. inflammation, not to mention the secondary effects brought on by statin use, i.e. rhabdomyolysis! Reducing cholesterol does not reduce inflammation. Proper diet and exercise are the key.

                Statins are given based upon the false theory that cholesterol causes heart disease-that has been proven to be false.

                Patients w/ diabetes are at the highest end of the spectrum for secondary cardiac disease; sugars out of control cause cause rapid inflammation- the body's response is to elevate cholesterol (think of the cholesterol as firemen).

                I will add, statins have been around since the late '70s; if they were such a miracle drug, why is it that cardiac disease has risen with a vengeance every year, even though these drugs are being prescribed? I'll tell you why. Simply, they don't work.

                Most every study is doctored by the financial support of big pharma and their lying constituents.

                Statins - The Dark Side - YouTube

                Cholesterol and Heart Disease - YouTube

                The Cholesterol Myth and the True Cause of Heart Disease - YouTube

                * Cholesterol myth exposed! They made it up to sell more drugs! - YouTube

                How Bad Science and Big Business Created the Obesity Epidemic - YouTube

                http://chriskresser.com/i-have-high-...nd-i-dont-care

                Dr Rosedale Exposing the Cholesterol Myth: Cholesterol is not the major culprit in heart disease - YouTube
                Thank you. Couldn't have said it better.
                Read. The. Book.

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                • #10
                  Lol - after reading these articles, I'm thinking that the Global Warming guys are rank amateurs when compared to the medical community!!!
                  Started 9/15/11 at 323 pounds
                  2/16/13 at 241 pounds
                  Goal is 223 pounds or less

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by Troglodyte View Post

                    I will add, statins have been around since the late 70's; if they were such a miracle drug, why is it that cardiac disease has risen with a vengeance every year, even though these drugs are being prescribed?
                    Mortality from heart disease has been consistently declining for the last half century, and the prevalence of heart disease has been declining steadily in the past decade (despite the fact that the reduction in mortality should raise the number of people living with heart disease - this would suggest then that the incidence is going down as well). These figures may have nothing at all to do with statin therapy, but I don't recall seeing any data that cardiac disease has risen with a vengeance every year since the late 70s. Where is this from?
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                    • #12
                      Correction: What I should have said was that in America, heart disease remains the number one killer even though statins are prevalent and widely prescribed. As well, it is a proven fact that statins do not help with mortality.
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                      • #13
                        Why would anyone take any med w/o eliminating the cause as first defense?

                        There are dangerous side effects to statins which can kill ya! Increased inflammation factors which many feel as muscle weakness/pain tops the list....don't forget the heart is a muscle so damage to the heart is a problem.

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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by Troglodyte View Post
                          Correction: What I should have said was that in America, heart disease remains the number one killer even though statins are prevalent and widely prescribed. As well, it is a proven fact that statins do not help with mortality.
                          lol, NOT a proven fact. I guess you didn't read my links?

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by jem51 View Post
                            Why would anyone take any med w/o eliminating the cause as first defense?

                            There are dangerous side effects to statins which can kill ya! Increased inflammation factors which many feel as muscle weakness/pain tops the list....don't forget the heart is a muscle so damage to the heart is a problem.
                            Would change to diet and lifestyle be ideal for anyone with heart problems? Of course. Even with the threat of death, are most people going to change? No. Statins are better than nothing.

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