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    My last fasting blood glucose was @ 120. My dr. is thinking hard about suggesting meds. (I have been stalling him). I understand that paleo (primal?) is supposed to regulate blood sugar, but how does eating fruit fit in. I have been pretty much fruit free for quite a while. Should I stay this way and hope the lower carb intake helps, or does fruit fit into the equation. Any other diabetics have solutions?

    Ken

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    I work as a trainer for medical clients(mostly). LC primal (no fruit) and heavy resistance work will cure a 120 BG in a short time. I've seen people go from much higher than that to below 100 in weeks or (from 200's) a few months.

    If I remember correctly, damage doesn't start till 140, so you have some room.
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    • #3
      Thanks. That's encouraging. I have slacked off going to the gym for the past couple of months.

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      • #4
        Are you overweight? How old are you?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
          Are you overweight? How old are you?
          I am 61, not way overweight. At the moment, I am hovering around 170 (I would like to be 160-165).

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          • #6
            I used to record my morning fasting BG levels in the 110s-120s, despite a mostly-primal (80/20) lifestyle. For me, it took cutting out all grains, legumes & alcohol, and most fruit, and regular intermittent fasting, but in less than 3 months, I recorded my morning fasting BG in the low-to-mid 60s.

            I would recommend cutting out fruit while you're in the initial stages of healing. Once you're able to consistently record normal fasting BG levels, you should be able to reintroduce some fruit into your diet with no problems.

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            • #7
              If I remember correctly, damage doesn't start till 140, so you have some room.
              Depending on the source, I've actually seen that it's the *postprandial* BG that shouldn't ever get above 140. According to this site (which does cite various studies), any time BG goes over 140, it causes permanent organ damage:

              What is a Normal Blood Sugar?

              nerve damage occurs when blood sugar levels rise above 140 mg/dL after meals or fasting levels are >100 mg/dL
              Research Connecting Organ Damage with Blood Sugar Level

              A fasting BG of 140 would definitely be considered unhealthy.
              Last edited by healthseekerKate; 11-21-2011, 11:39 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by healthseekerKate View Post
                Depending on the source, I've actually seen that it's the *postprandial* BG that shouldn't ever get above 140. According to this site (which does cite various studies), any time BG goes over 140, it causes permanent organ damage:

                What is a Normal Blood Sugar?

                nerve damage occurs when blood sugar levels rise above 140 mg/dL after meals or fasting levels are >100 mg/dL
                Research Connecting Organ Damage with Blood Sugar Level

                A fasting BG of 140 would definitely be considered unhealthy.
                Yes, things start going bad at 140, whether fasting or postprandial. But not that bad that quick. They have time for primal to work before trying meds.
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                • #9
                  The numbers go down every year I think. It's like cholesterol and BP. It just can never be low enough for your Doctor.
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                  • #10
                    Yes, things start going bad at 140, whether fasting or postprandial. But not that bad that quick. They have time for primal to work before trying meds.
                    I completely agree -- a primal lifestyle is definitely the solution for too-high BG levels, and I would absolutely avoid pharmaceuticals.

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                    • #11
                      I stay away from fruit completely as a penance for my over indulgence in carbs for too much of my life. I want what is left of my pancreas to last me into old age. You need to give it about four months so your doc can see the HB1AC go down...then he'll believe you.

                      Be aware...eliminating carb may not feel good at first. About ten days in, I got dizzy and cold. I had about half a glass of fruit juice cause I felt like I was about to die. But, two days later, I woke up feeling better than I had in my entire life. When your blood sugar has been out of whack for a long time, you can not imagine how much better you will feel getting it stabilized. If you are like me, you might miss some things, but you will like how you feel so much that you really won't hesitate over the trade.

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                      • #12
                        I think I will really limit the fruit/sugar intake. This first week hasn't been too bad. There have been some dizzy times, but I think that might have to do with my blood pressure getting lower. Before, with my meds, my blood pressure hovered around 145/95. Now it has been staying around 104/70. Of course I have cut back on alcohol along with the carbs.

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                        • #13
                          I think in the early stages, you should ditch alcohol altogether. This from a home brewer, wine connoisseur that is not an extremist on that point. But you want to get past the cut over and get a good start on the new diet. Many will tell you to ditch the alcohol altogether. I did not. That said, I cut out all alcohol for about three months to get past a plateau...it did not work. But we are all different. YMMV.

                          Fruit = candy. Just keep that in mind. (Let the flames begin.)

                          Try to switch to berries if you have to have fruit.

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                          • #14
                            I'm also a homebrewer. It makes it interesting to brew and try to limit myself to one glass from the tap.

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                            • #15
                              That is my approach. Only the good stuff. And I count my carbs because of this major exception I make. But I still think cutting it out for about a month while your system adjusts is very smart. Get through the pain of adaptation quickly and have it behind you.

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