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    So in the process of coming up with a new menu for myself I am running into some concerns. My goal is to try and get 100% of the RDA of vitamins and minerals without resorting to supplements but whenever I try I find that I have to resort to eating vegetables that either impair thyroid function (I have hypothyroid) or might cause inflammation (peppers, tomatoes), or are fruits which kick my carbs up too high.

    Eliminating those lists leaves most vegetables off the table.

    I thought about consuming liver on a daily basis but there seems to be a high risk for chronic vitamin A toxicity if I do that.

    So how do I eat healthy without killing myself?

  • #2
    I can't answer your basic question, but you should know that any vegetables that impair thyroid function do so only when eaten RAW. Thus, avoid spinach salad, but enjoy your cooked spinach. Cooking renders all those veggies safe for hypothyroid folks (I have Hashi's myself).

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    • #3
      Originally posted by emmie View Post
      ...any vegetables that impair thyroid function do so only when eaten RAW. Thus, avoid spinach salad, but enjoy your cooked spinach. Cooking renders all those veggies safe for hypothyroid folks (I have Hashi's myself).
      Awesome! I was starting to get worried about some of my regular veggies, but I usually steam or sautee.

      I don't have an answer for the OP, but I'm in a similar boat with what to eat when I can't have nightshades, eggs (suspected), dairy, or beef (at least not grain fed - might be my corn allergy).

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      • #4
        Don't take this the wrong way, but why are you doing this?
        RDAs are not universally agreed, and vaguely point to absolute minimum levels. Maybe.
        A carrot will have different nutrient levels depending on soil and growth conditions...and are you going to seriously measure every scrap of food?

        Having said all that, have you looked locally to see if there are any "off the record" vegetables? So here in the UK I'll be growing samphire and sea kale and strawberry-spinach - none of which I've seen in these RDA databases

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        • #5
          It's not just the nutrients you ingest that are important, but also how well they are absorbed and utilised. Paleo/primal tends to improve nutrient absorption through bioavailable sources (animal foods), a reduction of antinutrients (phytic acid for instance), by increases co-factors of absorption (vitamin D, fats) and by healing the intestine (less harmful lectins, gluten-free). Utilisation is also improved: a fat based metabolism, and getting AA, EPA, DHA and amino acid derivatives (such as glutathione and taurine) directly from animal foods decreases the need for B vitamins.

          The RDA is the amount of a nutrient required so that 95% of the population is not deficient in it. They make this assumption using the SAD and all its problems.

          Vitamin A toxicity only exists in the context of sufficient vitamin D and K2. If the vitamin A to D ratio is close to 3:1 you're doing well.
          http://thepaleopremise.blogspot.com

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          • #6
            If you eat clean Primal foods, including a moderate amount of various plants, you're not going to be deficient. I really wouldn't worry so much.
            Today I will: Eat food, not poison. Plan for success, not settle for failure. Live my real life, not a virtual one. Move and grow, not sit and die.

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            • #7
              I have thyroid issues, too, and the only one my doc told me to avoid was seaweed/kelp, the rest are fair game. Although my body isn't very happy when I feed it nightshades (bell peppers mostly, sad cuz I love 'em, and cucumbers & tomatoes make my bones angry if eaten to frequently).
              --Trish (Bork)
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
                I have thyroid issues, too, and the only one my doc told me to avoid was seaweed/kelp, the rest are fair game. Although my body isn't very happy when I feed it nightshades (bell peppers mostly, sad cuz I love 'em, and cucumbers & tomatoes make my bones angry if eaten to frequently).
                I thought the iodine in sea veggies was supposed to be good for thyroid problems. Now I'm confused.

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                • #9
                  I guess if your thyroid is OVERactive then iodine would be bad? But yeah, I've always heard that kelp is great for thyroid issues.

                  And I'm pretty sure that the correct vitamin A : vitamin D ratio is 10:1.

                  I eat liver nearly every day - not a ton, maybe 75g or so? and I notice when I DON'T that I get little bumps on my arms. I think some people may need more vitamin A than others, but a bit of liver every day isn't going to harm you regardless. Remember that vitamin A from plant sources isn't actually vitamin A, it's a precursor, and it won't be converted unless it's needed - so you're not going to OD on vitamin A from carrots. I've heard that if you eat too many you'll turn orange because the beta carotene isn't converted to vitamin A. (Fun party trick if you can stomach all those carrots. And no, apparently it DOESN'T just look like a bad tanning job.)

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                  • #10
                    Dr. Weston A Price states that vitamin A is only toxic if there is no vitamin D to counter the toxic effects.

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                    • #11
                      I've had a list of 110 different foods I've consumed so far this year. I finally threw it away because I ran out of foods...but recently stumbled upon more nutrients because I found lamb heart, lamb tallow, beef lung, sweetbreads (glands) and fresh, warm blood.

                      My hunt for nutrients started 1.8 years ago and the list was quite short starting out, I had no clue what to eat other than steak, chicken and maybe a salmon, together with vegetables and butter. Now my list is HUGE...I threw away ALL of my supplements, but kept cod liver oil/high vitamin butter oil because I'm undergoing orthodontic treatment.
                      For supplements I highly recommend the following:

                      Cod Liver Oil
                      High Vitamin Butter Oil
                      Raw Liver Pills (available at health food stores, bovine source)
                      Raw Thymus Gland Powder
                      Raw Thyroid Powder (mixed with several other glands)
                      Arctic Fish Oil if no healthy Cod LiverOil available.

                      Other 'supplements' are extremely orange egg yolks coming from free-range, organic, cage free, bug fed, outdoor and happy birds like turkeys, ducks or chicken. Consume the egg yolk only (not the white) raw.

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                      • #12
                        Iodine (and kelp) should be avoided by anyone with Hashimoto's --and at least 70% of hypothyroids are due to Hashi's. (The normal iodine we get from our foods and even iodized salt is OK--but iodine supplement makes Hashi's worse).

                        Also keep in mind that if you are hypothyroid, you can't be sure you don't have Hashi's unless you've had a biopsy. That's how mine was diagnosed, and my endo mentioned that my blood values (the Hashi's antibodies) were too low for a diagnosis. Apparently, you only get a positive if the antibodies happen to be attacking the thyroid at the time the blood is drawn. Otherwise, you get a false positive. That's why many doctors don't bother testing for Hashi's since the treatment is the same regardless of the cause of hypothyroidism.

                        It's actually a myth that the thyroid benefits from iodine supplement because that's only true in third-world countries where people can suffer from an iodine deficiency. There hasn't been any hypo caused by iodine deficiency in the US since the 19th century. And once you're hypo, nothing OTC is going to help. Your thyroid isn't producing enough hormones for your body's functions, and the only solution is to take supplemental hormones.

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                        • #13
                          PRIMAL DIET – EAT THIS, NOT THAT*

                          In a nutshell....

                          EAT THIS *-*YOU CAN AND SHOULD EAT IT
                          (In fact, it should be the backbone of your diet. )
                          - Meat (preferably grass-fed)
                          - Poultry (preferably free-range)
                          - Fish (preferably wild-caught)
                          - Eggs (preferably cage-free)
                          - Non-starchy and/or green vegetables (preferably organic)
                          - Avocado
                          - Butter (preferably from grass-fed cows)
                          - Lard
                          - Ghee
                          - Coconut oil
                          - Coconut milk
                          - Olive oil (but not for cooking)
                          - A berry (up to a handful)

                          NOT THAT -*YOU SHOULD NOT EAT IT.
                          (Throw it away, unless it's a cleaning or stationery product, in which case use it for its appropriate purpose).
                          - A legume (bean, pea, peanut)
                          - A grain (wheat, corn, rice) or made of a grain (cereal, oatmeal, bread, cake, tortilla, pasta)
                          - A processed food product
                          - A "low-fat" manufactured food product
                          - A "low-carb" manufactured food product
                          - A "diet" manufactured food product
                          - Anything with an ingredient that ends in "ose" (sucrose, glucose, fructose) or that contains sugar, agave nectar, honey, or maple syrup
                          - Anything from the center aisles of the grocery store...

                          EAT IN MODERATION
                          - Dairy products (milk, yogurt, cream, sour cream, half & half) – whole milk (not low-fat)
                          - Nuts (peanuts are not nuts)
                          - A seed
                          - A fruit other than a berry
                          - A starchy or sugary vegetable (carrot, beet, winter squash)
                          - A tuber (potato, sweet potato, yam)
                          - A nightshade (tomato, bell pepper)
                          - Coffee

                          UNLESS:
                          - You are trying to lose weight (for dairy, nuts, fruits, starchy vegetables, and tubers)
                          - You are lactose intolerant (for dairy)
                          - You are significantly inactive/sedentary
                          - You are insulin resistant (for dairy, nuts, fruits, starchy vegetables, tubers, and coffee)
                          - You want to go 100% evolutionary diet and avoid anything we aren't sure paleo man ate

                          *Credit goes to Griff who came up with the original version which I tweaked a bit before giving it to my mother.

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