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    Hi,

    My wife and I have both been following Primal for sometime now, three months...and we have not seen ANY results. If anything we have gained weight. How much does the physical activity have to do with the results? I was expecting to see at least see some results just from the eating side of everything. We are not really exercising at all much. I am busy studying for the CPA exam and my mornings, lunches and evenings are dedicated to studying. My wife, she is on and off but she has a lot of joint issues, arthritis, just a lot of body pain in general, so it's hard for her to work out on a regular basis. Anyway, bottomline, we both expected to see results just from changing our eating habits. I'm not sure what's going on here....PLEASE HELP!

    Dave

  • #2
    Can you give us a few days' typical meal plan, including quantities? Also, some height/weight/age/medical condition info would help.
    Nightlife ~ Chronicles of Less Urban Living, Fresh from In the Night Farm ~ Idaho's Primal Farm! http://inthenightlife.wordpress.com/

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    • #3
      Me
      5'10", 250lbs, 30 yrs - never been this heavy in my life, have sleep apnea...breathing issues...dr's aren't really helping.

      My wife
      5'2", 165lbs, 28 yrs - also never really been this heavy, lots of joint issues, arthritis, migraines, constipation...

      Breakfast
      Coffee (1-2cups max) - I use a little Stevia.
      Eggs w/ grass fed ground beef, either scrambled or in an omelet, with some mushrooms, onions and peppers.
      may have some blueberries or pear

      Snack
      Grass fed beef sticks (1 or 2), another fruit of some sort

      Salad
      BAS - w/ spinach, greens, onions, peppers, some olive oil or home made dressing, topped with either grilled chicken or gluten free turkey/chicken breast

      Snack - Apple w/ some peanut butter, or, maybe a beef stick and an apple.

      Dinner - rotate thru the week of Grass fed steak, pork chops, salmon, tuna, lamb chop with a side of veggies like broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts, kale. We top it with some grass fed butter.

      My wife doesn't eat the snacks as much as I do (since she's a nurse and she's always running around and doesn't have time compared to my boring desk job).

      So ya, we really try to eat as much WHOLE FOODS as possible and limit processed foods to maybe once or twice on the weekends.

      SO FRUSTRATED (MY WIFE MORE THAN I)

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      • #4
        Hi Dave,

        I guess one thing you've got to remember is that it's most likely taken you quite a while to put the excess body fat on, right?
        It's not going to drop off in a few weeks. Especially if you're metabolically deranged, hormones out of whack, sleeping poorly etc.
        Poor sleep will make losing fat harder, but for some it's a chicken/egg problem as they can't sleep better until they lose some fat.

        It may just take while for your system to sort itself out and for the weight loss to start. Is your aim to get healthy or slim?
        If you concentrate on getting healthy first, the weight loss will come.

        On the whole the food looks good. Though, you may find that you get better results if you drop the fruit for a while too, as 3 apples would give you roughly 75g of carbs, plus any additonal carbs that you're eating in your meals, could push you over 100g/day.

        Try aiming a little lower in the carb range for a few weeks, say 50g to 75g/day and see how that works for you.

        When you say "Eggs w/ grass fed ground beef" how many eggs would you each eat & how much beef? While calories aren't the most important thing, they do still have an impact, especially if you're not moving around much. So you may not want to be having 6 eggs and a pound of beef mince every morning for brekkie

        You may also want to try cutting out dairy for a month to see if that helps with the migraines & arthritis. If it doesn't you've missed out on some milk in your coffee, if it does you've worked out that dairy isn't your best friend. If it's the latter and you really miss it, you can try adding different types of dairy back in one at a time a few days to a week a part e.g. reintroduce butter on Monday, if no migraines or joint pain by Friday add back heavy whipping cream (good for your coffee apparently ), if still no problems the following week try yoghurt, etc. If anything does cause you issues, don't eat it again

        Good luck.
        If you're interested in my (very) occasional updates on how I'm working out and what I'm eating click here.

        Originally posted by tfarny
        If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

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        • #5
          Try reading this post by Mark. It sounds like the stress level in your life right now may be a bit high and getting in the way.

          17 Reasons You’re Not Losing Weight | Mark's Daily Apple

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          • #6
            Stress and the apnea may be issues.
            Durp.

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            • #7
              You say that you "have not seen ANY results". I am curious what results are you looking for? It is a sincere question. I find that my awareness of results is often limited to the ones I am looking for. For a while, my main measure of progress was my abdominal circumference and I was getting quite frustrated that it hadn't changed much. Then a friend pointed out how much leaner I was in the legs, back, and shoulders/chest.

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              • #8
                I would cut the snacks for a bit
                Currently dabbling in: IF, leangains, Starting Strength, 5/3/1

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                • #9
                  You might check out the Leptin Reset. There are several threads around here that address it. According to the Reset, you should never snack because it messes with your metabolism, insulin levels, etc. I've taken that advice to heart and have had some success. You might cut out your snacks and concentrate on getting your calories in 3 meals/day. Also agree with others that you're probably eating too much fruit. When I first started Primal, I only had fruit a couple of times/week. Now I average maybe one piece/day (some days I have none). I treat it much more like "dessert" - or at least my old SAD definition of dessert. Sometimes after dinner, my hubby & I split one apple or pear as our dessert - that's plenty.

                  As for exercising, even if you can't do an official workout, can you find quick & simple ways to fit in more activity? Take the stairs whenever possible. Park farther away from your destination and get in some short walks? If you're on conference calls at your desk, do some squats? The principle of "move frequently at a slow pace" is really just a new way of thinking about how you live and finding easy ways to live a more active life. I have stressful and busy periods in my life where I can't exercise as frequently, but I'm always looking for opportunities to move more.

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                  • #10
                    Some irritating possibilities worth considering:
                    Nightshades stress out some people's bodies. You could try going without them for a few weeks and see what happens.

                    You don't need fruit. At all. If you want to lose weight, cut out the apples. Once you're at a weight you want to maintain, hit that fruit once in awhile.

                    Peanuts contain synthetic proteins that your body rejects as foreign. You (every human) are experiencing systemic inflammation from consuming proteins that do not exist in nature. They've become part of your body, and your body is attacking itself to remove the foreign protein. You can thank Big Agra for this, and drop the peanuts. Today.

                    What are your grass-fed beef sticks made of? Full ingredient list.

                    gluten free turkey/chicken breast
                    OMG. What are you eating? What weird, twisted corporation needs to put 'Gluten Free' on turkey, and (I have to ask) what sort of weird chemicals have they put into your food? Read all of your labels right now and throw away anything you can't pronounce unless it's a vitamin. And even that's a gray area.

                    Kick it back a notch. You don't need anything besides healthy fats, vegetables and meat. Start there, and add foods gradually to find out what you can tolerate.

                    At your weight, a little exercise goes a long way. Don't stress yourself out by overworking your body. Twice a week weight-lifting and speed walks are all you need to get the fire going. Ramp it up later when you plateau.
                    Last edited by Knifegill; 11-15-2011, 05:48 PM.
                    Crohn's, doing SCD

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                    • #11
                      You do understand the fat your body stores needs to be used as energy for it to go away, right?

                      You can't expect diet change to quickly undo years of bad habits.

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                      • #12
                        I think your both really stressed out. You've been going to school and a lot hangs on your doing well on the exam. If you guys are up for it at this time, I suggest you try an easy 18 hour fast (dinner to lunch the next day) and cut back on the fruit. Good luck on your test!

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                        • #13
                          I started right away at as low carb as I could possibly go. Then I went even lower. I didn't see any results for 6 weeks even though I ran, power-walked or hiked every day. Even though I ate only two meals a day and normal portions and no snacks. Even though I didn't cheat not even one single tiny little bit. Even though I ate no fruit at all. 6 weeks and nothing! Argh!

                          But, in the mean time, I had TONS of other results. I had low carb flu, felt weak. I had terrible electrolyte issues to figure out. I started taking supplements to deal with that. I felt different, mentally more calm, physically very calm from the lack of hunger and energy spikes. I've had cramps. I've had a few days when I though maybe I was killing myself with this diet, like seriously maybe I'm going to die. I've had days of feeling really awesome. I've gotten my strength back. I've accidentally intermittently fasted without hunger even though I was hiking in the mountains. And now, finally, at long last, real weight loss. It's finally working.

                          You may have to go lower carb or give it more time or both. In the mean time, it might help a little to pay attention to other changes in your body. Is anything different happening at all yet?
                          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                          • #14
                            I was "loosely" primal for a few years, and had some weight loss improvement, but I could NEVER seem to lose that last 15 lbs. The first 2 months that I went "completely" primal for unrelated health reasons, i expected the weight would come right off...but NOTHING. It was incredibly frustrating, and seemed like the better the food I gave my body, the more it gave me the middle finger and clung onto that extra belly fat. It wasn't until decompressing over summer vacation (I'm a teacher) that the weight started melting off, very slowly, but it did get better. That's when I realized that probably my weight wasn't budging because I had been chronically stressed (without even being consciously aware of how much), which probably was the reason behind my inability to lose weight. Everyone knows that chronic stress is not good, but I don't think most people realize the ravaging physical affects it can have.

                            Granted, I lose weight MUCH, MUCH slower than I expect I should, but it is improving. The important thing is to not give up, because sometimes success comes so slowly that it's easy to be fooled into thinking nothing is changing...until you put on a pair of pants you haven't worn in a few months and realize they're definitely too big.

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                            • #15
                              You might try pushing your fasting period longer (skip breakfast). If you're constantly eating food then you're constantly with insulin in your bloodstream. If you have insulin in your bloodsteam, you won't be oxidizing fats; you'll be storing them. especially if you are not active.

                              As other have mentioned, try and lower your carb intake (especially modern apples bred for high fructose content, fructose is nasty stuff). Banana might be a better choice for the safe starches and sugars it contains...but not with each meal or anything (you're trying to lose weight, right?).

                              The easiest way to transition to burning fat is when your body is already not typically hungry...the morning. I find if I overindulge in carbs in the evening, I'm artificially hungrier in the morning, but it goes away rather quickly as your body responds to the hunger signals and releases some fatty acids.

                              Take pride in that feeling of mastering your hunger urges. Each time you conquer it your body is burning fat. You'll also notice that with the slight hunger edge also comes clarity and focus...that's Ghrelin. Savor that feeling, it makes you better in every aspect of your life.

                              I Am A Ghrelin Addict - GNOLLS.ORG

                              Consider this, are you eating because you're hungry or are you eating because you're "supposed to"?


                              my experience led me down the intermittant fasting route which has given me an entirely different outlook on life. It's not for everyone, but do some searching on the topic and you'll find it's safe and offers good weight loss results (and likely health benefits as well).

                              Oh, being active doesn't mean crazy time committments, we're talking about taking a walk for 20 or 30 minutes a few times a week. Going for a hike or a bike ride. Just move around

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